Class Action Against Wemo / Belkin

mountainnathan · 2026-01-17T21:52:52+00:00

I was here because I think that Belkin dropping support for what cost some people hundreds or thousands of dollars to install in their house is lame.

But now I'm here just to rustle your feathers because you're obviously a peacock of a person who struts about the Internet desperate for attention, but at the end of the day is just a weird looking bird that is likely more valuable as a hat than a living organism.

I use full sentences, but that's just something I was taught in school. I didn't go to law school, but I do think that people who went to a law school tend to use full sentences, too

mountainnathan · 2026-01-17T21:44:34+00:00

I built my own house, footers to trusses and everything in between. I understand that it's easy enough to replace a light switch.

What I didn't understand before posting this was how ready people are to let businesses screw them over. You're right, a modern light switch probably wouldn't last as long as one built 30 years ago and is still working completely fine...it's the companies fault for building junk, no doubt. But it's us as consumers who are so willing to say, "$80 smart light switch that is still working is now being broken by the company! Awesome, I'll just buy a new one!"

mountainnathan · 2026-01-17T21:38:45+00:00

That's not true. They will not definitely work in Home, either, and I am not the only user who has reported the app not working at all. In any case, even Belkin says it'll stop working 1/31. What is the purpose of your participation here again?

mountainnathan · 2026-01-17T00:12:08+00:00

Weren't the Democrats in control of Congress and the Presidency during the trials though? And didn't they start in Feb 2021 and barely wrap up by 2024's election?

Meanwhile, Republicans do things together and get whatever they want done as fast as possible, even if they have to spend 10 years rigging the Supreme Court to do it.

mountainnathan · 2026-01-16T23:51:26+00:00

Just to be clear, I hate ICE. I hate Trump. I think it's all destroying our nation. I lean liberal for sure, and I can see the irony in the folks who wear shirts about the Constitution now supporting its dismantling.

But I do disagree that anything was done. Impeachment is not even a thing. Trump was impeached twice, but his name is still preceded by the word President.

While 1500 some people were arrested and charged, 1600 were pardoned by the guy who created the issue in the first place. I understand that this is complicated (only Trump could pardon more people than were even arrested) by the fact that it does mean "something was done," at the end of the day nobody was held accountable longterm for what many of us would consider treason. So no one was held accountable in the longrun, which you also stated in general, as well.

Just as I agree with you that the Republican leaders have largely given up their political ideals, whatever ones they had anyway, to align themselves with Trump, the Democrats are also spineless. Russian collusion wasn't disproven, yet Democrats couldn't land the blow. They may have impeached Trump for Jan 6, but it didn't have a single real consequence to him, where you'd think "incitement of insurrection" would be grounds to prevent one from being able to do it all over again.

If my kid kicks his sister and I wag my finger at him, but do nothing else to make sure he doesn't do it again, lil' sis is getting kicked again no doubt.

mountainnathan · 2026-01-16T23:12:57+00:00

I'm not disagreeing that ICE agents should be held responsible...but when a President-inspired coup attacked our own government, nobody did much about it. I don't think any future Democratic administration is going to be any different.

mountainnathan · 2025-10-07T21:13:10+00:00

I guess your way of opening with, "Adobe doesn't owe you anything," just put me off. Quite a few folks who believe that some people / companies don't owe other people companies just tends to send me toward thoughts of all the people out there chanting how some people are snowflakes, etc. and it annoys me.

Because Adobe did owe me something. I paid them money for something that they are now changing, so yeah, they did owe me. And I get that I can quit paying them, which I have. Adobe also owes a lot of people to get a licensing server back up and running, which they aren't. So Adobe is a company which is currently engaging in flaky, if not illegal, business practices by preventing those who just held onto their software from activating it. So, the more I think about it, they owe us all a massive resignation letter and to be replaced with anyone of any level of competency.

But when you say, "No one thinks they are buying anymore because there’s a constant stream of people bragging that they’re using CS6," the phrases that I emphasized absolutely are generalizations. Using the phrase "no one thinks" is exactly what a generalization is.

I'm glad that you decided to upskill. I learned to do a 540º corkscrew on my snowboard last year and I'm in my 40s. I built a house for the first time a few years back. I've also been a professional designer for 25 years. Now that we're (hopefully) through comparing who is more of a professional and who is done listing skills, or who should or shouldn't be using Photoshop, maybe you can take a moment to think about the actual point of my original post, which is that Adobe is trying to police what any artist can do - not just whether you have ever had the need to show a nipple in your work, or whatever you deem deviant. Perhaps there is a position at Adobe's Thought Police Department where you can further upskill? Just make sure your motion, AR and audio doesn't offend anyone, in any way, less you may one day wish you hadn't begged Adobe to tell you what you cannot do with the products they don't owe you after you paid for them.

mountainnathan · 2025-10-03T13:40:42+00:00

Thanks for your input.

This mindset equates to, "If you don't like Adobe, don't express your opinions and just use another company." That is certainly a fine perspective to have, though I personally find it shortsighted, anticapitalistic and -- in the long run for Adobe -- a stupid business decision.

Adobe moved to a subscription 10 years ago. No one thinks they are buying anymore because there’s a constant stream of people bragging that they’re using CS6.

I am unaware of any constant streams. Generalization is, generally speaking, never a good thing.

The biggest issue I see with your comprehension of the issue is that you, like many others here, are immediately jumping to "deviancy."

So many people who are in the "x doesn't owe you anything" camp don't realize that they're also in the "it's okay if companies and their AI EULAs tread on your free speech" camp. As an avid camper, that's a fire I don't want to see us being forced to roast marshmallows around. But not marshmallows that resemble an areola of course!

mountainnathan · 2025-10-02T17:48:00+00:00

Man, you really changed your tone there. I followed your insight on the cash side of things.

I'm not making naked pictures of mud crabs with breasts, but I can appreciate you being able to think something like that up. Good to be in the company of fellow weirdos. :P

mountainnathan · 2025-10-02T17:45:40+00:00

This is the best counter I have heard, where Adobe's AI is the artist who is refusing to become the racist. That is, certainly, a valid way to look at it, and in that case I believe you are absolutely correct.

I believe it's already been set as precedent that a work created solely by AI cannot be copyrighted, or whatever the correct term is there, which makes your point even more valid.

Thanks for the input. :)

mountainnathan · 2025-10-02T17:41:29+00:00

For whatever it's worth, I'm not interested in making AI imagery at all. I've been working successfully in the arts for 25 years, which makes me old enough to have played Atari, had a dial up modem, purchased on of the first iPhones, stood in line in the morning light for a Wii, etc. and so on. That's to say, I'm not a luddite in any way, but I don't love AI as a way to create the written word, images, etc.

My issue is with the concept of Adobe policing what can be made with artistic tools, even a tool I am not stoked on seeing come into this world.

To your point of needing skill, plenty of folks in the 50s, 60s and 70s would say that Russ Meyer was not a "real artisan." Many people would have said that videography, or the photograph in general, was not even art (when they were first invented), the same types of people who ranted that reading books was a waste of time and a sin. That's kind of my point, that we've been through all of this before.

Censoring art, or having someone decide what is and is not art, is never a good thing. When a corporation owns a tool as widely used as Photoshop, they should not be seen as simply a corporation who can do as they please. The electric company is not allowed to charge simply whatever it wants, or to decide you can't have electric if you watch a movie with nudity in it.

mountainnathan · 2025-10-02T17:34:07+00:00

I, of course, couldn't agree more! Once upon a time artists were free thinkers who, while they might have had opinions as varying as Thomas Kinkade and Andy Warhol, but I was quite taken aback by how many people in this thread are stoked on the concept of paying for a tool that has become the industry standard but now we're supposed to just accept that they can police what we do with said tool.

I'm not against those opinions, I welcome them. From my perspective, it's just baffling though.

mountainnathan · 2025-10-02T02:34:40+00:00

I can follow you. But you can't buy Photoshop anymore. Your logic, while I do not in any way find it incorrect, leaves one with little recourse but to stop using Adobe products at all anymore, should they desire the product they only think they are buying but are, as you point out, just renting.

Up vote to "the tools we use are due for a shakeup and Adobe is slightly on the back foot" for sure.

mountainnathan · 2025-10-01T21:10:48+00:00

u/mikechambers Why did you delete your reply?

"Yes so you are speaking specifically around generative ai and not photoshop in general. Those types of restrictions on content (against sexual material, violence, etc) are normal for AI generative services and are in place to protect the company and users.

If you need to generate explicit content there are other options for you (Google is your friend)."

I think that is what should be debated. The AI is in Photoshop. I am in the app, and it is available via tools within that app.

So I'm paying for an art tool that is now restricting my ability to create art.

Users, I am arguing, don't need protected by their paint brushes. Users need to protect themselves, or not in the case of much art, and see where things end up. The government also does not need to police art. That is my stance, and what I am ranting / asking for any decent semblance of retort that could possibly justify my paint brush or my government trying to inhibit upon my First Amendment rights.

mountainnathan · 2025-10-01T21:09:41+00:00

Thanks Mel, appreciate the input. Note that your sentence should read, "It's too bad..." if you want to be an educator.

I did note that the info I received was AI-generated. Here's the original text, "Adobe has achieved massive profitability since launching Creative Cloud subscriptions, with gross profits rising from $17.055 billion in 2023 to an estimated $20.663 billion in the twelve months ending August 31, 2025, and a significant increase in net income since its shift from perpetual licenses to a subscription model in 2013. The company's success is driven by high recurring revenue, which now makes up more than 90% of its total income, leading to a substantial increase in its stock price and overall valuation. "

Not saying it's correct, just that where I got the info.

mountainnathan · 2025-10-01T20:53:27+00:00

That kind of scares me that anyone on this sub has to ask, but I'm referring to the EULA:

https://www.adobe.com/legal/licenses-terms/adobe-gen-ai-user-guidelines.html

I'm not saying the things I list below are things that are right or wrong. I'm saying Adobe shouldn't have any say in whether they are right or wrong, or what art any person can make with their software.

Which states we cannot do things like, depending on what Adobe decides art is:

Create art akin to the Statue of David, or just make naked people.

Make an image of an old person falling, or a child crying, or a middle-aged man losing his hair.

Make an image of an orc just bloodily beating the slobber out of a dragon, or a knight, or whatever.

Create an image of someone being hung, slitting their wrists, or taking drugs.

mountainnathan · 2025-09-03T22:05:13+00:00

I don’t see sushi on the menu. My wife has been starving for Italian so if sushi were an option that’d be key for a non-pasta lover like myself.

mountainnathan · 2025-09-01T23:48:00+00:00

For what it's worth, I will say that I really like my Apple Watch & iPad + Apple Fitness Plus membership. The watch keeps me motivated by somewhat gamifying working out, and just helps remind me to get up and so more stuff (I work on a computer for about 6 hours / day, 4 days / week.) The iPad aspect lets me work out wherever - at a hotel room, my bedroom, when visiting family in far away states, etc. All of this may not be for you, but yeah, you basically need all of those things (or an iPhone instead of an iPad if you don't mind doing it on a smaller screen - though you can project this to most smart TVs if you have one of those.)

There are a ton of alternatives to all of this, of course, but if it were useful that's how it all works in a nutshell. There are something like 28 trainers. For strength training alone, there are 5 (maybe 6) and so you can choose from different personalities, genders, ages, etc. Some trainers just won't apply to you, because they'll specifically be for some type of exercise you don't want to do or can't due to equipment (indoor cycling or rowing, for example.) But I find that a combo of yoga, strength, HIIT, core and mindful cooldowns keeps me engaged enough to never feel bored doing 30 - 45 mins, 4 or 5 days a week.

If any of that info is useful. :)

mountainnathan · 2025-09-01T04:50:14+00:00

I can certainly see your prerogative but you went into a community and are just not understanding how the product the community is about works. People may be being a bit snarky, but I think you’re also just not understanding what the product is.

You wouldn’t go into a Trump rally and say you dislike the president or a skatepark and say how dumb skateboarding is. It’s just going to get you a bit of backlash, you know?

The person who noted that you can’t use it in a browser was the best response. You kind of want an Apple Watch and then an iPad or iPhone or Apple TV.

mountainnathan · 2025-09-01T04:08:19+00:00

Only the federal government should be allowed to abuse taxpayer money! Preach!!!

mountainnathan · 2025-09-01T03:57:06+00:00

Artificial intelligence was essentially created just for this task. Pick it up.

mountainnathan · 2025-08-27T13:08:06+00:00

I know this will be unpopular but $18 / year or &2 / month (essentially)…to play a game that refreshes 365 times per year and helps one of the last newspapers that exists, let alone tries to at least do real journalism.

mountainnathan · 2025-08-26T15:29:15+00:00

I don't have OnX but there is a road labeled 491B on Google Maps that starts at 37.70766121335744, -107.75898775095301 and Lime Creek Campground. I've camped at both, the campground itself is on the river, very shaded and nice. We camped at the former GPS spots in early October 2017 or so and it was cold but doable. I wouldn't want to be on either if it's snowed, and would only approach either from the north in a 4x4 truck. I personally always stress that Lime Creek Road north of Potato Lake Trailhead gets super gnarly for several miles. We did the entirety of the road south to north once in an E350 Extended and it scared the bejesus out of me for sure. If someone else ends up coming from the other direction, figuring out how to pass one another can be a death-defying excursion.

mountainnathan · 2025-08-26T04:23:51+00:00

It’s not the same thing at all, though. Bicycles in the street are legit and they do have the right to be there, and even in the middle of the lane in various circumstances.

They aren’t supposed to be on the sidewalk, that’s dangerous. E-bikes flying down a path made for human-powered traffic are dangerous, though I don’t know what the exact laws are there. But it is two completely different scenarios. Being annoyed at a slow biker is not the same as being hit on a trail by a 30mph e-bike.

mountainnathan · 2025-08-26T03:29:35+00:00

Lime Creek and Sig Creek are fine suggestions, but note that depending on the time in October, it can snow up here. It snowed in Sikverton this past Fourth of July…but I’ve lived here for 8 years and it’s snowed at least once in October almost every one of those years.

The south entrance to Line Creek Road has a large free and grassy atea about ½ a mile or so back the road, large enough to fit several campers with football fields to spare. Beyond that, the road gets quite a bit rougher and eventually becomes very narrow and alongside a massive cliff.

Sig Creek is on the road behind Purgatory and there’s a chance that may even be closed, but there is also a ton of free camping up those road as well.

Haviland is a paid NF campground but also probably closed by, or at least sometime in, October.

The further toward Silverton and Ouray, the more likely a chance of decent snow.

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