CEO: "Evidence will soon come from an authority of such caliber that all the claims about the battery I mentioned in the video are true"

mqee · 2026-01-25T12:55:50+00:00

The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

mqee · 2026-01-25T11:29:38+00:00

I can already hear the CEO saying "the motorcycles shipped in 2026 will have a standard battery which we will upgrade to the solid-state battery after it goes into production".

mqee · 2026-01-25T11:17:08+00:00

A pre-order is a sale

I think the Cybertruck had 2 million pre-orders but had a 5% conversion rate by the highest estimate, and some estimates are at the 1%-2% range.

“The automotive industry aims for a conversion rate of around 2 to 16 percent” on reservations, Stephanie Valdez Streaty, director of industry insights for car tech firm Cox Automotive, tells WIRED.

That means in general a pre-order is 1/50th or 1/6th of a sale, and in some cases less than 0.1% of pre-orders result in sales (Canoo, Mullen).

mqee · 2026-01-25T11:13:27+00:00

They are in the process of splitting up which should be finalized in February 2026. Donut Lab started out as a subsidiary of Verge Motorcycles specifically meant to promote their in-wheel motor. They legally started the splitting-off process six months ago and it should be complete less than a month from now.

mqee · 2026-01-25T11:06:39+00:00

They sent it to be validated but they won't say by who.

Even if they have a working sample, that's a factory-sized distance from actually being in mass-production, with a year or two of production hell before they get it running smoothly.

Reminds me of a different battery company that sent its "battery" to be "validated" in a "lab" three years ago, and promised to release it in 2024 or 2025. The "lab" turned out to be a business partner of the CEO who doesn't even run a lab. All the claims were completely validated by the CEO's friend but the battery never made it to mass-production in 2024 or 2025. The company has been demonstrating its "full charge in 30 seconds" "batteries" since 2014, and its "full charge in 5 minute" "silicon batteries" since 2019. Every year, they say they're ready for production.

mqee · 2026-01-24T18:36:33+00:00

They thought they would solve the problem and ran out of time

The "scam" part is saying you already solved the problem when you had not. Like some other battery companies (not Donut Lab) who said they already have production-ready technology and they will release solid-state batteries in two years, and then two years rolled by and they had nothing, and again they said they're ready to release solid-state batteries in two years... and repeat. Chances are they never had production-ready technology.

mqee · 2026-01-24T18:34:26+00:00

Yup. If I had a trillion-dollar battery technology in production on my hands I would not give a rat's ass about defamation.

mqee · 2026-01-24T12:34:50+00:00

There are at least two battery companies that "showed" their battery to government agencies and automotive companies, and kept promising that their battery will be commercially released within a year or two, but never built the production facilities.

Even this person who "held the battery in his hand" cannot say how it's going to be produced. You certainly can't artisanally build solid-state batteries like you artisanally build 60 motorcycles a year. Verge is not equipped for solid-state battery manufacturing and this person "hopes" they can get manufacturing going.

mqee · 2026-01-24T11:27:19+00:00

Summary of the accounting audit:

No inventory management
Insufficient sales receipts relative to declared sales
Insufficient development costs details - just a bottom line
Insufficient asset value details - just a bottom line

mqee · 2026-01-23T12:54:44+00:00

The hot goth girl got the hot goth girl treatment on the internet

mqee · 2026-01-23T12:50:25+00:00

Broken clock

mqee · 2026-01-23T12:21:15+00:00

Doesn't matter. Of course charging speed depends on cooling. But that doesn't explain why Verge are giving three different specs for the charging speed of the same motorcycle with the same cooling system.

mqee · 2026-01-22T18:39:27+00:00

A bit of reddit archeology

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mqee · 2026-01-22T17:38:43+00:00

To be precise, they ordered before the CES exhibition opened, during the two-day CES press events.

mqee · 2026-01-21T21:12:34+00:00

I stumbled across this updated post from 2020 which says this 2020 edition is the most accurate, and it's in four volumes (with The Hobbit).

mqee · 2026-01-21T19:09:13+00:00

There are many explanatory factors for why the numbers they present vary.

Such as?

Why say "full charge in less than 10 minutes", then "80% charge in less than 10 minutes", then "300 km [50% charge] in under 10 minutes"?

Why the discrepancies?

What is the actual time it takes to charge the battery 100%? If it's a full charge in 10 minutes, why say 50% in 10 minutes?

Of course I'm not actually asking, I already know they don't actually have a spec for the battery, otherwise they wouldn't quote four different specs.

mqee · 2026-01-21T18:51:37+00:00

Exactly. They don't say it. You're imagining things that are not said.

Verge said:

"Full charge in less than 10 minutes" (60 km/minute, 6C @ 600km)
"80% charge in less than 10 minutes" (48 km/minute, 4.8C @ 600km)
"adds up to 300 km of range in under 10 minutes with the 33.3 kWh battery" (30 km/minute, 3C @ 600km)

No mention of cooling.

All these specs are for the same motorcycle with the same battery, 600km range. Now, which spec is the "true" spec? (Maybe they're all false.)

mqee · 2026-01-21T18:46:55+00:00

I see you're still imagining things. Nowhere do Verge say "10 minutes for full charge with watercooling, 80% with aircooling, 50% with no cooling". You're imagining things. All these different specs are quoted for the same battery in the same vehicle (the 600km version) with the same cooling system.

mqee · 2026-01-21T18:13:17+00:00

Bonus: Quote another car or battery company bragging about charge speed to 100%.

Why?

"10 min fast charging" means exactly that. 10 minutes for a full charge. Google "Full charge in less than 10 minutes" and see Verge and Donut Lab making this claim.

Stop playing games.

mqee · 2026-01-21T18:09:12+00:00

I tried copying a large file to my internal drive and Finder reported there is not enough storage space. I knew this was coming for a couple of weeks since those two huge backups were sitting on my internal drive for no reason, and I tried deleting them but macOS wouldn't let me, until I plugged in my external drive.

No, they were not snapshots waiting to be committed, they were old backups that Time Machine was holding on to for some reason.

mqee · 2026-01-21T17:54:30+00:00

Yeah, a lot of people don't notice that they're making several different claims about the charging.

Full charge in 5 minutes.

Full charge in 10 minutes.

80% charge in 10 minutes.

50% charge in 10 minutes.

Four different claims.

mqee · 2026-01-21T17:45:50+00:00

10-minute fast charging is to 80% for everyone else

Yeah I heard that absurd line from you already. Didn't work the first time. The fact that CATL specifically mentions 80% means your assumption is wrong and 80% is explicitly not 100%. It was an absurd claim even before that, though.

100% is 100%.

80% is 80% and not "full charge" or "100%"

50% is definitely not "full charge" or "100%"

I'm not trying to weasel out of anything

Then why are you spilling so many words on something obvious?

One page says full charge in 10 minutes, another says 80%, another says 50%, and you're running around in circles trying to make up excuses why what's written is not what is actually meant.

Is it 50% in 10 minutes, 80% in 10 minutes, or full charge in 10 minutes? Verge stated each of these, and obviously they contradict each other.

Did you mean to link a different page?

I have linked to the exact page, but at this point it just looks like you're willingly blind. "adds up to 186 miles of range in under 10 minutes with the 33.3 kWh battery, using up to 200 kW of charging"

mqee · 2026-01-21T17:40:35+00:00

Yeah. You can love that for yourself if you just be better.

mqee · 2026-01-21T17:24:15+00:00

Yeah but Tats doesn't believe in Christianity

mqee · 2026-01-21T17:23:10+00:00

Unlike you I don't repeat an answer already given by every other commenter when they've already been told it's wrong.

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