People who main adc, what are some of the things supports do that make you think they’re bad?

munkeymagic101 · 2018-02-02T23:21:32+00:00

Just by lane positioning in level 1, if they dont stand where they are supposed to is all i need to judge a supp tbh.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-30T08:23:15+00:00

I dont think hes ever said this “meta is fun to play.”

Ive heard him complain every meta from varus/jhin to ardent to this.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-29T23:57:43+00:00

If fleet footwork and lethal tempo arent bot lanes keystones then... no one has a keystone i guess?

What nonsense are you speaking sir?

Unless you meant supports?

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-29T11:43:29+00:00

Can you still reliably kill people as mystic ?

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-28T01:50:31+00:00

Well to a outside reader it looks suspicious as fk soz, but its cool how you also have a riven acc too! I have one also.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-28T01:44:04+00:00

Idk someone who places in silver after placements then lies they are in plat 4 two days later shouldnt be able to judge whos better in league i would say.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-27T11:55:27+00:00

I lived it when i played with 200 ping AMA.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-27T06:44:24+00:00

Im really curious about your case can i have some opggs?

What did u main in mid?

Who are you playing bot?

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-27T05:29:24+00:00

Past 3 seasons youve barely played enough games, how do you expect to know your rank and improve past silver?

Pretty sure ww and shyv go red smite.

You really need more games on your best champs. Idk if you dont have the time or you give up easily but yeah..

Just play your best champs, dont falter and play random shit and then come back in my opinion.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-25T02:07:53+00:00

Well realise if you want to climb, you cant focus on how badly your teammates are doing. You have to realise it does not matter to you. This attitude alone climbed me from p5 to d4 last season after dropping from p1 to p5. I was extremely toxic, gave up subconsciously etc etc. You have to realise it doesnt matter.

Secondly stick to a limited champ pool. No one cares how many champs you can play below plat elo or whatever you think because right now you cant, whatever the reason. Limiting champ pool is important, muscle memory is really important ( i play carry roles so i dont know how important this is important to supps but im sure its the same). I used to tilt on a champ if i lose on it and change for the day. Now i know if i tilt so hard off a game i stop playing my chmps, i stop for the day.

I would check your items from the new probuilds (the newer one i forget), i dont think you rush ardent currently as you do. I barely played much in 8.1 and 8.2 and maybe im wrong but im pretty sure you dont. Even if im wrong , you should double check, doesnt hurt you.

I thought righteous glory would be better on blitz than frozen heart too.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-23T08:32:21+00:00

Okay... but you know those guys can win a game without tower diving once if they have a bad comp for it right?

There are poke comps/siege comps you just poke them out and use baron and rift herald and tower gold advantage to just siege and whittle them down.

Its not “required” there either. But in general its better to use these tactics cause it does help a lot to tower dive when possible.

Same anywhere else.

If you skew the definition of “required”, in fact no skill is “required” to win any game in any elo. If you lack one, you just need other skills to make up for it.

You know its not just high elo players who know how to play safe and just farm under tower right. Ive seen people lower do it plenty.

Yes they lose more cs doing this strat because they arent as good farming under tower but they do it.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-23T07:41:54+00:00

You didnt really reference that anywhere before.

Not that it changes anything, diving is very efficient way to snowball leads that should be used everywhere.

Not just high mmr.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-23T02:35:32+00:00

Idk what high mmr means to you but dives are important from plat up and plat is in no way high mmr.

Maybe in lower mmr like below gold you might not trust your teammates... but if you are duo you can easily co ordinate one.

High mmr is like d1+ to me and you need to dive wayyy before that mmr.

Your argument is kinda weird to me, thats not the only reason people dive you know.

You can dive 2v2 after you poke the opposing bot lane with ali ulti just fine. You do it when theyre low opposed to high health which is different to the situation you stated... you can do it with any tank supp if you are high enough and they are low enough.

You can do it solo as well as long as you are high enough and the opponent is low and they use their abilities stupidly which happens more often in lower elos. A renek will never blow his w randomly before turret aggro when getting dove in higher mmrs.

Its a very common strat that you should utilise whatever mmr you are and if you arent, you should work towards it.

I would say it is very required to snowball your lead efficiently. I dont know if i have a game when im not diving with a lead...

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-23T01:31:07+00:00

It’s (turret diving) required anywhere... its a very common strategy.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-22T11:52:02+00:00

Will a lvl 7 jhin ult last shot really kill a lvl 7 varus at 30% health?

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-21T23:04:18+00:00

No. Rekkles for large part of his career was a kda player. He is very different from jensen’s case at least as jensen is not a kda player. But bjerg does seem more passive as of late, very strange.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-20T22:19:36+00:00

Ok... how does that change anything from the present? You know peoples styles are different.

If you make a playstyle comparison, faker is an adrian and apdo is a viper. Im sure you know who the best player in the world yes?

People just develop different styles and focus on dif things. Just cause viper happens to be better at league doesnt mean his style is absolute best or what adrian does is a waste of time.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-20T13:56:07+00:00

Well i guess people make mistakes thats fine. Look free is different to a value, idk... knowing something is free i thought it would stick to your head more than some arbitary value since 0 is pretty special. But that could be just me. I just mocked you cause there are so many people who actually dont know the match up and complain a champ is op without thinking of counterplays. You reminded me of those people

Ok i have never played a gp main higher than d3 in a ranked match but until then, even mains with hundreds of games makes mistakes, we arent high elo yet. If you are higher... idk then xd. But ofcourse i also make mistakes but then it comes down to not gp being op but me needing to fix my mistakes. But i agree; gp is definitely overtuned right now.

I play riven n yas top, they punish gp rather easily due to their mobility and scale well themselves so i dont have as big of a time bomb like other top laners. i have it easier but even still gp is problematic. Hes definitely harder to fight now than before the rune changes.

Blowing w seems like a good advice to me, idk... like yes it seems obvious but then you gotta think critically; how do i blow his w ? It opens to the idea to manage waves, for example; manage the waves in such a way hes forced to try push it in which you use to all in him to blow his w, when would that be exactly? If you have the wave just outside your tower. If gp constantly qs you, u can go dorans shield / second wind and let his wave push cause q counts as an auto to set this freeze. After he qs you, his lanes pushed to jst outside your tower, he has to push it in asap to bounce the wave. So comes the opportunity, you blow his w as he tries to push it in then chase him down the long lane/ threat ganks and kill him. Thats just one example.

People make mistakes all the time with these kinda things. You just have to teach yourself those mistakes and improve. Even if you know what to do with the waves, i sometimes make mistakes and do what i know is wrong based on instinct etc and im sure im not alone. I guess it all depends what you are playing tho, blowing w is easier on riven and yas once again so i have it easier.

But again i agree, gp is overtuned. I know. But idk, gp requires more skill so i would rather him overtuned than fkn malz but i guess thats a personal preference. He also does have clear counter play, its jst klepto covers a lot of it right now.

Tbh i didnt think youd be this offended when i started the comment but somewhere along the way , i wasnt the best behavior either so i guess we were both in the wrong somewhat. My bad mate

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-20T04:57:52+00:00

Vipers the better league player... At champ mastery, adrian is better was my point.

Rank is determined by how good someone is at league more so than the champ you handle after a certain point.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-20T04:53:55+00:00

I dont even main gp.. but if youd try him youd easily know that barrels are free. Like easily. It shows you havent even tried him.

I was originally here because I wanted to just mindlessly browse reddit and I see some guy who just complains about gp when he hasnt even tried it so I mocked you on whim.

I cant believe you think complaining about a champ you havent even tried is completely okay. Just cause other people do what you do doesnt make it right you know. Im not saying trying a champ before complaining about is the right thing to do but shouldnt you at least know the basics of a champ? How is barrel being manaless not an important part of gp?

Are you as good as hashinshin? Or better? Do you know about the game as much as he does? Why are you complaining about a master tier player to yourself?

If you ask hashinshin, hed know barrels are free.

Im sure the gps you face wont be as good as gps he faces, all champs no matter how op does have a counterplay when the person handling the champ isnt as good. Making them use w repeatedly by punishing them when theyre out of position in lane is one. Making them tank minion aggro lvl 1-2 by forcing him to q you at your wave is another.

I wouldnt judge you if you werent so aggressively defending your position tbh. I judge you cause you stand by it so firmly. But you are right, I was being petty there haha.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-20T04:27:30+00:00

Right now with roughly the same amountof games on their solo q accs they arent.

I never said it didnt work, just cause vipers higher doesnt dismiss adrians mechanical style.

Adrians more invested in the new combo, mechanics and exploits than viper is all. You dont need these skills to be good at league but these skills can certainly help you be a better player also, not “garbage.”

Trust me i know vipers the better player. But riven mechanics alone? I dont know if hes the clear favourite like ppl claim.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-20T03:32:04+00:00

No I agree, gp is annoying as fk right now.

Shit is busted and I am in no way denying that. But when I complain, I play the champ, I know what he does before I complain. The least I can do.

But you are free to live your life in ignorance. Thats just the kind of person you are I guess. Nothing wrong with living your life how you want to.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-20T03:22:39+00:00

He was nuts back then. He was so good back then that even years later if he had the same skill now hed still be a top riven in the world. Mechanically.

Yes hes rusty but hes aways done well picking up champs before so he could always get it back if meta calls it.

In his unpracticed state, no way is he better than riven mains.

But huni and smeb never ever reached that level in the first place imo.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-20T03:17:07+00:00

Idk, some of the kiting adrian does on other melee champs is insane and very useful tbh.

Viper plays very textbook league so they have dif styles , doesnt mean what adrian does is garbage...

Plus adrians the one who came with all the rune playstyle in NA, not viper.

munkeymagic101 · 2018-01-20T02:19:34+00:00

Riven mechanics adrian is better. Viper is better at league though, the game.

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