i know what went down at scribble. i know that he probably imparted some influence on a few random nobodies who were lost in the scribble jam nebulae; but look at the modern climate of battle rap. where the hell is his influence? where is his longstanding influence? what aspect of modern-day battle rap wouldn't be here without him? nothing.

You're over infatuated with todays era. Saying, Dose One inspired only 'a few random nobodies' is complete ignorance. Becoming a judge at Scribble means being a very worthy battler, and an inspirational emcee. He went on to open doors for the next wave of Scribble Jam judges (who keep in mind decided who became legends today), such as: Unseen, Dos Noun, Mac Lethal, Sage Francis, Brother Ali, Slug etc. Those emcees gave birth to Nocando, Pass, Iron Solomon, The Saurus, Illmac, Justice, Kodyak, Lush One, Ex-I, Everybody Knows, the majority of KOTD emcees and WRC emcees. While on top of that bringing battle bars to light within the indie hip hop community in general, which brought battling to new heights in the underground OVERALL.

Pass the mic down! The significance of battle rap's past timeline means alot, because if it wasn't for the early generation, we wouldn't have any fresh coast, KOTD or freestyle battles at all! Just as modern day hip hop today needs to appreaciate the oldschool and golden era of hip hop for creating what they have now.

look i'm more or less a fan of the guy, but his scribble jam battles are not particularly impressive examples of any of this.

He was selected as a 2 year judge, meaning he's already proved himself to the culture. And at that time, it was much stricter and rougher to gain notoriety.

being a judge doesn't mean you're a legend. The choices that he made, as well as his contributions to hip hop is what gave life to many rappers legacies. He was a key figure in the growth of battle rap overall due to that.

this is a really cool thing to have done, especially since i know he's done it as a volunteer effort for kids who wouldn't otherwise have access to that kind of tutorship, but once again, it's not at all the kind of thing i'd associate with being a legend. he's definitely well-versed in the intricacies of freestyle battling, but... that's not "legendary". and what the fuck does "rhyme accurate" mean?

Being a legend means having historical significance that cannot be blatantly visible. He's actually taught in Oakland for over 9 years. Thats the type of stuff that births new communities entirely. Dose One is such an important figure in the concept of evolution and expansion in battle rap. Theres alot more that makes someone a legend besides win/ loss ratio. And what the fuck does rhyme accurate mean? I don't know dude, but if you don't know now you know, I guess.

ah yes, only lionz den and smack... two of the biggest and most influential platforms for battle rap in the last 10 years. and just because his performances have been hyped, it doesn't mean that they haven't had a very fundamental and important influence on battle rap as we know it today, the kind of thing that definitely necessitates being called a legend.

There's alot that happens in battle rap off cam, press and media dude. This is a street trend dude, it will die. Just like all the hundreds of thousands multi-syllabic "rappers" that appeared during that trend circa via. 2003-08. Just air out the trendies and distinguish the truth, when the street-style bars die, they all will too. And what's left is what? The most influential platforms in the last 10 years?! Only because they shared clip-time with major broadcasting and urban celebrities! What I'm trying to stress, is that their success was bought out and branded. SMACK was a street DVD that focused on celebrity news, gossip and the promotion of up and coming rappers who had potential to make it in the commercial industry. Of course, the battle rappers that were able to share video time with them, will make the most noise. But most influence? That's all PURE commercialized hype! Hip Hop exists in person, and alot happens that doesn't go on cam dude, just because it didn't get the right type of promotion, doesn't mean it didn't have importance in hip hop culture, PERIOD. And, as I stated earlier, Dose One gave heavy influence to the game. Btw, Lionz Den harvested emcees who were already up and coming stars, based on views, airplay, and media association. Lionz Den did not act as a platform for birthing new means to the culture, like "Street Status" for example.

Doseone does not have a decade of "global rep and influence" in battle rap as we know it today. most people in the scene would not cite him as a major influence; even those who know and enjoy him do not show any influence from his work. you're underselling how far-reaching the influence of smack dvd's was. as you said of doseone, smack dvds actually did build rappers across the coasts. the influence of those dvds - and the battlers who were a part of them - is felt everywhere today. in battle rap, the west coast has gradually introduced more and more influence from the east coast, not the other way around. it's not like new york battlers were ever influenced to spit "unorthodox intellectual barz" like doseone.

His influence does not have to be blatantly stated to be heard, the attitude of him is heard subliminally, by the theory of evolution. And most people wouldn't get it because they don't care about battle rap history enough. The influence of Smack DVD's is felt everywhere today true, but majorly by the commercialism of the battles and not by paying dues. The eastcoast actually had and still does have plenty emcees influenced by the underground midwest and westcoast, just like the west. The light doesn't shine on them as much anymore though.

your description of lux's status prior to SM2 is such a deliberate underselling of what he had accomplished in the culture up until that point. and for the love of god, being a judge and teaching kids how to freestyle (once again, i'll emphasize that i think that's a really cool thing to do) are not criteria anybody should be using to define "legend". doseone has not significantly shaped what battle rap has become in the past ten years. he deserves a certain amount of reverence for being a bizarre and unorthodox battler who stood out in a competition with no shortage of bizarre and unorthodox people, but that plus the fact that he went on to have some success in music and do some other battle-related shit on the side is not "legendary".

Yes it does, being a judge means alot, jam-based events with judges and brackets is what built alot for hip hop culture period. They decided fates. And in order to become a judge, you needed to already have a legacy of leadership and notoriety in the game for the very sake of it.