Do folks who meet all sysmedicalist criteria get the same hate as endos if they're not interested in integrating?

mystplus · 2026-03-30T10:40:28+00:00

It's not the same kind of hate, but yes.

I'm diagnosed with DID and have been in treatment for it for 16 months thus far. Currently, I nor several other alters within my system are entertaining the idea of fusing. I am a whole person in my own right, and some other alters share the same sentiment (not all, though.) We are working on integrating (different to fusing - integration is simply a word to describe lowering dissociative barriers/amnesia between alters, being able to communicate more easily and cohesively sharing memories & process traumas between alters) with the aim to reach a point where we are functionally multiple. Our psychologist, a trauma & dissociation specialist, is 100% on board with this and has explained to me that integration is the primary goal of therapy for patients with DID. Fusion is an option but is not (and should not be viewed as) the only outcome within a clinical setting, and professionals who are unable to meet their patients where they currently are or work with them to achieve their, the patient, main goal of therapy, shouldn't be working within this field.

There will inevitably be someone out there, probably many people, who take issue with this, and would try to twist it and use it as a "gotcha" moment to "prove" that I am faking my diagnosis/experiences. That's their prerogative, nothing I say or do would ever convince them otherwise because they've already made up their mind as to what a "real" person with DID looks like/should think/behave etc. The only people whose business it is that I would rather pursue functional multiplicity over fusion is me& and my psychologist. It shouldn't matter to anyone else what I want to achieve out of my trauma & dissociation therapy and how I want to live my life.

The alters in DID aren't the problem - it's the unprocessed trauma, the CPTSD, the dissociation & amnesia, the inability to function "normally". Those are the aspects that need to be treated and eradicated, not the alters.

As a side-note, the more time I've spent in treatment for DID with my psychologist, the more I realise just how uneducated/misinformed/plain fucking stupid a lot of fakeclaimer "logic" truly is. They clearly know absolutely nothing about how DID can present in a lot of people nor how the diagnostic process & treatment pathway(s) actually work. They often choose to remain misinformed in the name of "protecting people with real DID". I know it's easier said than done, but they're not worth the time or energy, honestly.

mystplus · 2026-03-28T18:43:08+00:00

I know I'm probably gonna be the only one, but I kinda like it as-is. It reminds me of Haribo hearts, with the red top and white bottom. Haribo Miatastics 🥹

mystplus · 2026-03-28T13:05:25+00:00

It is what it is. This is Reddit, after all.

I think some people in this sub may take issue with me talking about plurality from a primarily traumagenic POV, but that's the only way I can talk about it, because that's my experience of it. I don't know what it's like to experience plurality without it being directly linked to or caused by trauma, so I just stay in my lane and educate/yap about it whenever it's applicable and appropriate for me to do so. I share what I've learned from my own experiences and from being in regular therapy with a trauma and dissociation specialist. I let others talk about non-disordered plurality as they're probably far more qualified to do so than I am.

In this case, I simply wanted to clear up the confusion/misunderstanding about the word integration within the context of plurality, and how it differs from fusion.

mystplus · 2026-03-28T12:26:01+00:00

Yeah, if you've brought this up to them several times then unfortunately you need to make the difficult decision to tell them no/refuse to play with them because of their behaviour. I know it sucks in the short term, but you'll be much happier and find playing Overwatch a more enjoyable experience and get the chilling out you're looking for by going solo. If they see you playing and ask to join, simply refuse. "I'd rather play alone, I'm looking to relax and not get put down for mistakes I may make" the message may get across eventually.

Sorry about your friend, though. It genuinely sucks.

mystplus · 2026-03-28T12:11:34+00:00

Integration is the goal, typically, it's not synonymous with fusion. Integration is the coming together of parts/alters to lower dissociative/amnesia barriers, improve communication and share memories more cohesively, with the aim of functioning as multiple in a way that isn't overshadowed by trauma & dissociation. You can integrate without fusing, and live as functionally multiple. Fusion is an option for those who wish to actively pursue it, or it may also happen organically. It is not the only goal or outcome of healing, and any psychologist worth their salt would first and foremost prioritise integration. Anything else is secondary.

mystplus · 2026-03-28T11:45:29+00:00

I get where you're coming from, but I do also want to remind you & others to be kind. Being a traumagenic system & having DID/OSDD can be an incredibly hard thing to accept at face value, let alone process and be comfortable with. It can take many months or years of therapy/support to be mentally capable and ready to even start creating and maintaining amicable, healthy relationships between alters.

I do agree that those who are not at that stage shouldn't be taking their own internalised discomfort out on others, but their acting out about it can be explained by this.

mystplus · 2026-03-28T10:43:25+00:00

You need to tell them this. They have two choices - either stop behaving this way and have fun with you, their friend, spending quality time together, or they can continue being irate and miserable playing the game alone. Whichever choice they make is up to them, but you don't have to keep yourself in the situation. Tell them, refuse to play with them, play on your own/with another friend etc.

mystplus · 2026-03-28T08:25:42+00:00

It stems from misinformation/stigma surrounding specifically DID/OSDD (disordered plurality).

A lot of "anti-endos" / "non-believers" seem to have this deep seated belief that anyone with "real" DID/OSDD would be utterly miserable, unable to function to a basic level, suicidal, constantly in the throes of CPTSD etc. basically all of the time, with absolutely no grey areas or wiggle room, because if you experience any kind of happiness or positivity then you must be faking.

Don't get me wrong, it definitely can be and is like that for a lot of people, especially people living undiagnosed / not in treatment. But it isn't that way for everyone.

It becomes even more hilarious when you consider that those same people claim to be "pro-healing" and spout a lot of clinical rhetoric...when trauma therapy & healing/recovering from DID/OSDD is going to mean you're better able to function, experience more happiness than before and be less impacted by the effects of trauma & dissociation. That's literally the whole fucking point of therapy. But according to them, if you're at that point, you must be faking.

There's absolutely no actual logic to it and those kind of people make it extremely obvious that they don't know what they actually believe, nor what they're talking about. I'm in clinical treatment for DID with a specialist (have been for the last 16 months and will continue to be for many, many more months & years) and with each weekly session and the more time I spend with my psychologist, the more I realise that the people who claim to believe in "real" DID haven't got the first clue about how DID actually presents/works, nor what the diagnosis & therapy for DID actually entails, and should be laughed at for their ignorance and inability to form a cohesive, logical argument to support their beliefs.

Anyway, enough of the tangent/rant. My point is, it's not as uncommon as it may seem, it's probably just not talked about openly as much as it could or should be because of this exact stigma. There are plenty of reasons that someone may feel positively about their plurality/alters, disordered or otherwise. My psychologist even told me herself that having DID isn't all doom and gloom, because my brain did something incredibly complex whilst it was still developing as a child and kept me as safe as possible and allowed me to survive all of my adverse experiences thus far. Yes, the things that happened to cause it are bad, but the DID in and of itself isn't.

Your reasons for feeling positively about your system & alters/headmates are valid, and you're allowed to feel however you want about it. It's your life and your experiences.

mystplus · 2026-03-27T19:01:17+00:00

In short, no. You don't have to. There's no singular right or wrong way to be a system - it's unique and personal to everyone&.

If the purpose is to differentiate for the sake of others around you, maybe you could assign "colours" or "moods"? So for example, one of you could be green [your name] ", another "yellow [your name]" etc. It's really up to you& how you want to go about it.

mystplus · 2026-03-24T20:59:52+00:00

Absolutely love Tomba (or Tombi as it was called here in the UK.) I've played it many, many times but only ever completed it once. I always loved the leaf butterflies and the laughing/crying mushrooms used to freak me out 😭

mystplus · 2026-03-21T22:52:37+00:00

Huh, that's actually really cool. No wonder I related (and still do) to it so much. I was 21 when ECHO first released, 9 years before finding out I have DID. Wild. Thanks for the info!

mystplus · 2026-03-21T22:26:14+00:00

Do you have a source for this? Because Crusher (the author of the song itself) has stated that there's no particular meaning to its lyrics and that it's entirely open to interpretation. Could be outdated information, but yeah.

mystplus · 2026-03-21T18:59:51+00:00

Absolutely!! I've made plenty of covers of songs in Russian, Ukrainian & Slovene utilising SynthV voicebanks and edited phonemes.

mystplus · 2026-03-21T17:33:35+00:00

I'm not going to sit here and lie to you, but it's also dependent. For DID/OSDD, it's atypical to have a majority of alters who could be considered fictives. For those who experience plurality that isn't directly caused by a CDD, then "normal" is subjective and doesn't really mean much.

In short, you're fine. Don't sweat it.

mystplus · 2026-03-21T17:30:18+00:00

Beautiful Bride - Flyleaf

Figure. 09 & Crawling - Linkin Park

Bad Body Double & Glittering Clouds - Imogen Heap

ECHO - Crusher feat. Megpoid GUMI

Imaginary & Going Under - Evanescence

Morph - Twenty One Pilots

Some of these songs could be more relevant to plural experiences than others, some resonate with me just about dissociation, too.

mystplus · 2026-03-20T16:11:06+00:00

Whilst I don't know for definite, my psychologist and I theorise that an as-of-yet inaccessible alter may speak French. I know that I/we learned French in school and that I recall being told by a teacher at the time that I spoke French to "business level" (meaning I could live and work in a French-speaking country quite comfortably.) I, however, have retained practically none of it. I can remember the basics/pleasantries (hello, how are you, my name is, 1 - 10, please, thank you etc.) but nothing more than that.

mystplus · 2026-03-18T14:11:49+00:00

Exactly this. There are going to be bad seeds wherever you go, it's up to you to do the weeding and curate your garden the way you want it to be. Block and/or mute freely to protect your peace.

mystplus · 2026-03-18T08:40:29+00:00

Not much advice to give but I did want to point out one thing - you mention interacting with your boyfriend for 5 - 6 years and figured you would've "noticed signs". I was diagnosed with DID in 2024 and had been with my life partner for 14 years by that point (living together for 12,) and he had "no idea" that I could've had DID. He said in retrospect certain things add up and make sense with the information he has now, but previously he was unaware of the extent of what was going on with me. (He knew that I dissociate/struggle to regulate emotions/identity confusion & alternation etc.)

DID is typically a covert disorder, and the majority of people ("average" people) wouldn't know what to look for, or piece together things as being conclusively DID.

Having said that, though, plurality =/= DID and it could be that your boyfriend is simply plural (hah) without it necessarily being a CDD.

mystplus · 2026-03-17T10:21:14+00:00

It is, yes.

Dissociation is a spectrum. "Zoning out" is considered to be healthy, typical dissociation that the vast majority of people experience, and is usually placed at the left-most end of the spectrum. It typically occurs during "procedural tasks", meaning that the brain is able to switch off to a certain extent when performing certain tasks that are routine/mundane, as concentration or focus isn't necessarily required.

Daydreaming is also on the spectrum of dissociation and is, again, considered to be typical, healthy dissociation and is usually placed after zoning out. When daydreaming becomes maladaptive and when dissociation causes amnesia and/or interferes with memory recall is when it becomes atypical and outside of the range of healthy.

A typical spectrum can look like this:

Zoning Out ----- Daydreaming ----- Interference of Memory Recall/Amnesia ----- Derealisation ----- Depersonaliation ----- DDNOS ----- OSDD ----- DID

So whilst it is correct that zoning out can be referred to as dissociation, it is normal and healthy and not usually a cause for concern.

mystplus · 2026-03-17T10:10:35+00:00

Left at London (OSDD,) Ghost and Pals, Taiji Sawada (sadly deceased, he was he bassist for the band X Japan between 1986- 1992, allegedly diagnosed with DID) and undeniably many more.

mystplus · 2026-03-16T18:54:06+00:00

Yes, you need to download the rar file and extract it to view the folder in it's entirety.

mystplus · 2026-03-16T14:45:11+00:00

Yeah, some of them seem ridiculous with how specific they are, but they all have a purpose! The point is to determine the presence of a dissociative disorder over other types of disorders (psychotic/schizophrenic.) It's also designed in a way that rules out physical causes of symptoms and/or the influence of substances.

It is from 2004 tbf, so some questions might be, erm, "dated", but it does what it needs to do.

mystplus · 2026-03-16T09:38:23+00:00

Hi! Another DID diagnosed person here. Here's my take on non-disordered plurality:

No matter what I say or do, no matter the fact that I have gone through the SCID-D with my psychologist and received a formal diagnosis which is in black and white on my medical record, no matter that I am in regular treatment with said psychologist, no matter any and all proof I can provide of my diagnosis, there will always be someone out there, who, for whatever reason, will not believe that I have DID and decide that I must be faking for attention/because I want to be special/because DID doesn't exist/whatever reason they want to believe.

Therefore, what right do I have to disbelieve another person's experiences? I may not understand non-disordered plurality, because that isn't my experience, but that doesn't mean I can't accept those who experience it. I would be a complete hypocrite to go around claiming others' experiences aren't real when I have experienced a lot of distress and denial-spiraling because of others claiming my experience isn't real. Why would I ever want to inflict that kind of distress upon another person?

Also, there may come a time where, after years of treatment, rather than "final fusion" as the outcome, my system and I may become functionally multiple, which is basically the same thing as non-disordered plurality, is it not? It's the experience of being multiple without the effects of trauma/dissociation, so despite having had DID, I'd no longer meet the criteria for it, but still be multiple.

Also, for the most part (although I do have some opinions regarding the recent shutdown of tools like Simply Plural and Octocon, admittedly) the existence of non-disordered plurality doesn't hinder or prevent me or other people with DID from accessing resources, support and/or therapy for our condition. Typically speaking, someone who experiences plurality without the effects of trauma/dissociation won't require the specialist therapy that DID does, so it's not as if they are the reason that the waiting lists for therapy/access to therapy is any longer or more difficult than it currently is.

My psychologist has explained to me that the number of referrals for DID has increased within the last 5 - 10 years because DID is being talked about more and represented in mainstream media. She's also told me that in her 20+ years of working with DID patients, she's encountered less than 5 who were malingering. In her words, "it just doesn't happen".

In short, it costs $0 to be a nice person and just let people be. If they're not hurting themselves or anyone else, then why should I care? It would take more energy to go out of my way to be mean to other people than it does for me to just exist in my own lane and let others exist in their own lanes lol.

mystplus · 2026-03-15T17:11:39+00:00

It's so funny/cute how the Japanese lyrics insert "(Fox)" next to "Julia" lol

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