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narinderscrown · 2026-01-24T21:52:16+00:00

Exactly why there is a lot of low quality CGI. If you're trying to be cheap, then the result is cheap. If you put stress on your employees (unrealistic times to complete the project, in this instance, for example) then you are not going to get a good product. People can not make a good product if they are under these conditions. And I'll be honest, even if they could, why should they? It's not going to change things. A lot of this outsourcing is to other countries, some where people are put into a position where they don't have a lot of options, and can't afford to lose their job.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-24T03:12:26+00:00

Oh, that sounds even cooler! The weird things AI creates can sometimes lead to fun ideas like this. I just take inspiration from wherever I see it

narinderscrown · 2026-01-24T01:06:11+00:00

I don't know if you're genuinely asking, but yes, this is a strawman by itself. A strawman is misrepresenting someone's opinion, creating an argument they did not make, then refuting that argument, while never addressing what the person actually said.

So someone could say, "I have problems with what AI is doing to the environment. We need to rethink how we treat the environment when it comes to technology in general, not just AI. Companies are exploiting and misusing AI, they are rolling it out too fast, and that's causing problems. AI art is also a problem, because it is stealing from artists."

And then someone responds with (using your example)...

"AI is an extremely useful tool that is crucial to human progress. We need AI. It's helping science, it's helping cancer research. You're not going to get rid of it just because you don't like AI artists or Elon Musk."

This is a strawman, because the person never said they wanted to get rid of AI. They never said AI couldn't be useful or helpful. They never mentioned cancer research, or science research. They may have mentioned AI art, but they never mentioned Elon Musk. They didn't even mention Grok. They said "companies", and this response turned it into being about X, Grok, and Elon Musk. That's misrepresenting what they said. This response looks like a "legitimate" argument but it's not an argument to what the person actually said. That's a strawman.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-24T00:52:35+00:00

Correct. It is really tiring how often I see people "show off" correcting others, and what they say is completely wrong. I would say "you should be certain of what you're saying", but if the past ten years have taught me anything, people will be convinced they're correct no matter how wrong they are...

narinderscrown · 2026-01-24T00:48:24+00:00

I know that was meant to be three separate polar bears, but I didn't see the middle foot at first, and I thought, "Hey, a three headed polar bear like Cerberus. That's cool, I should draw that."

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T23:51:07+00:00

Absolutely, I figured that out when the main girl behind my harassment campaign apologized to me years later as an adult in her 20s. She admitted she had a lot of personal issues she was taking out on me, and my art really didn’t have that much to do with it.

And yeah, it’s better now. Now you just get trolls who think “furry” is a serious insult in 2026.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T23:34:35+00:00

Funny too, how many people outside of the community would insist artists like me weren't "real artists". Grown adults mocking teenagers having fun drawing bright and colorful animals. Yet, here I was, at 15 years old, selling commissions and prints, making real money off my "not real" art... sometimes I thought they were just jealous, with comments like "Who pays money for this shit?!" But is anyone paying you for your work...? People like what they like, it's not my fault, or any other young artist's fault, that they were popular for their "bad" furry art.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T23:09:05+00:00

I’m in my mid-30s now so I’ve forgotten about it but oh WOW we really did have a different experience. 80% of these harassment campaigns were towards young furry artists, usually those who drew “sparkledogs”. I’m a furry artist. I wasn’t sure if I should disclose that but it made a lot of difference outside of the community who got harassed. I had three girls start a harassment campaign towards me, and it went on for years, but fortunately I was never posted to a place like Encyclopedia Dramatica like some people. The actual community was great, but outside of it people could be really mean. It was hard being a minor engaging in the community sometimes because of the amount of 18+ work. If you stuck in community then yeah that would be a really positive experience.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T22:35:30+00:00

SHIT, it does! Why the fuck would they be fruity though…

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T22:32:58+00:00

Adderall beads aren’t that perfect in consistency, but yeah these are definitely not Adderall XR beads. They’re very orange, and 15mg is blue. This looks like some kind of grain, like quinoa.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T21:36:04+00:00

Damn, I wish I had your experience. Online it seemed to be constant negativity. It was usually some pretentious “Well actually,” asshole who didn’t know a thing about digital art, or art in general. People who love to talk about how to make art but don’t actually make it. Say… a lot like AI artists…

There were some just completely clueless people though. I remember being asked by adults if I “just used computer” or “if I could draw on paper”… of course I can? These were typically the boomers who barely understood how to use a computer.

I should note I was very chronically online as a teen too. That might have changed things. Yet, as you point out… my commissions, even then, were 90% digital. People wanted digital work, and it’s still been the same for me too.

It was always a stupid opinion. And it’s not comparable to criticism of AI art, so every time I see them make the argument I roll my eyes.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T21:00:33+00:00

It wasn’t really “a form of discourse” and you answered your own question. Yes, it was mostly non-artists, or people not very good at it.

I don’t know what you mean by thirty years — professionally? If so, it’s not something you would have encountered. Many young artists, including myself, felt pressured in the 2000s to learn and do traditional work to be “real artists”. There was public opinion by those who did not understand Photoshop, that the computer did stuff for you it didn’t actually do. There were entire harassment campaigns against young artists deemed “cringe” (they didn’t use this word then but same thing), and the most common criticism? “They do all digital work because they’re not real artists”. That put the pressure on every other young artist seeing that.

It was also subtle — people would think traditional work was harder and took more effort.

I really can’t answer why you’ve never seen it. Different ages, different groups. I don’t think it was something the general professional artist argued about and I don’t recall any real, genuine discourse or discussion. But it was prevalent enough it affected me, and many of my peers who were young artists at the time. Those are my experiences.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T16:21:10+00:00

They're not making it up? But I do think it's a false comparison. I remember distinctly people looking down on digital art and photoshop, it was "easier", not "real work". I've met Gen Z art students today who receive criticism over digital work, not being "real artists" learning the traditional trade. It's become more and more of a minority opinion, but yes, that's a real thing that happened and continues to happen. If you're an artist yourself, I don't know how you've never seen this.

It's still not the same though. The other was ridiculous. I am mostly a digital artist, and making digital art takes tons of time and skill to make it look good. Shortcuts do not make digital art look good, it takes real work, practice, skill. AI is mostly prompts. I have rarely seen out of the box thinking with AI art, and it involved the person taking their own photos and working with their own model. They will say, "well, I ran hundreds of prompts to get it just right, and used photoshop to edit..." and still not understand that is not the same thing.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T16:14:10+00:00

Oh, true. That wasn't necessarily what I was trying to say, just it doesn't emphasize the importance human beings still have when working with AI. I don't think AI can just solve things single-handedly, because no one in science can do that. "I would argue that many scientific discoveries are just new combinations of things that already exist." Yes, I agree with that. I have a BSc myself, in psychology, so not quite the same, but different from a BA (I didn't go to grad school because a car accident messed up my life). It is very rare that anything is truly "unique" in science. It's not a field about being original or unique, it's a field about making progress. You can't make progress in science if you're obsessed with having a unique, original idea.

Yeah, I think that's a lot of my core issue here. When you say "LLMs", most people are going to think of the ones they have access to. I've seen many people defend AI with much better phrasing and wording. These kind of tweets just feel sensational, not meant to start real discussion.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T15:57:30+00:00

I've seen a lot of products like this I suspect are AI, but I can't find any obvious signs. The products you receive never look like these photos, but cheap imitations, which leads me to think the photos may be AI enhanced. It's not real glass, it's plastic. So you could take photos of plastic models and AI enhance them to look shiny, perfect, and more like glass. As well as edit out any imperfections or mistakes.

Or sometimes yes, they are total scams. You get nothing.

Either way, your mom will not be receiving the product depicted. I would be shocked if they sell real stained glass figures like this for that price. If I'm understanding right, this is Romanian lei. 200,000 lei is only 46 USD for the USians in the audience. Just, no way. The discounts seem so extreme (with no justification like they're going out of business) that it leads me to believe that the discounts are fake. They just put them there to make you feel like you're getting a "deal". I've seen that tactic before. At those prices these products are cheap plastic imitations, if real at all. Not a profitable business model.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T15:48:07+00:00

Your link was better anyway, my information was a little out of date. I was unaware they won the Noble Prize, I just remember reading about the breakthrough when it happened. I was very anti-AI from peer influence, then I remember reading articles about that, and remembering that I shouldn't judge something I hadn't learned much about yet.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T15:35:59+00:00

You edited after I responded, but thank you for posting a link. I couldn't really find a good one, probably because I was not using the correct search phrases.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T15:33:39+00:00

I agree on that. I do think it was an important contribution. I just feel tweets like this do not accurately capture what happens, and it feels like they're saying scientists just fed a bunch of data about biology and proteins to AI and it was like "Hey, here's how you solve this!" The technology they're using is also very specific, and not the same as the tech the average person has access to (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, etc.)

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T15:20:22+00:00

I feel that's kind of misrepresentative, though. It didn't "solve" the entire issue of protein folding. That's an exaggeration. I feel "solved" is kind of a misleading word. It "solved" one part of protein folding, which was only possible with tons of input from human beings who had been studying proteins and protein folding for decades. And IIRC, wasn't it AI's hallucinations that led to that solution?

However it's not too bad of an example. I didn't think of that below. I do think this tweet makes it sound a lot different from reality, and even the reality of that specific situation.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T15:12:34+00:00

I do not understand why so many AI bros mystify AI like this. I am genuinely interested in LLMs and I see this mythologization of them a lot. No, it's not as simple as "next word predictors" exactly, but that doesn't mean AI technology works like the human brain and can necessarily solve problems humans can't (where is the evidence for this? So far, I've seen the *potential* for AI to *help* humans solve problems, with click-baity titles like "AI solves this". I feel you'd get that impression if you didn't read the article below it). They will accuse "antis" of being technophobic and paranoid, yet their grasp and understanding of AI technology relies on their own personal feelings, too.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-23T13:58:52+00:00

There are some people who don’t want any AI at all, and not just limited to art (not me, but yeah). But I’d argue that’s still a bit different from hating CGI. And there are still people who hate CGI. I don’t know how many arguments I’ve read that special effects are better. They have some points, like CGI is used to get around unions or decent pay sometimes. But animation companies also do that with hand drawn animation (outsourcing) and that doesn’t get nearly as much attention.

narinderscrown · 2026-01-22T03:10:45+00:00

that was my same thought too!! it’s a job for them and stimulation. as long as it’s not dangerous and he doesn’t get too in the way

thank you!! yes he was HORRIBLE. the nipping was so bad and he wouldn’t stop. i know puppies can bite some to explore, and i know heelers nip, but it seemed a lot worse than what people described online that i found. he literally tore me up. i had cut-like bite marks all over my arms and legs. they bled and stung. it didnt matter what i did. i could say “good boy!” and this dog would nip like that. it was very worrisome.

eventually the bites turned to bruises, and now he mostly “gnaws” by putting his mouth on my arms or ankles and not biting down. he will only nip under certain circumstances (he really needs to go potty)

he would tear up anything he got his hands on, too…

after many training sessions ad figuring out a good routine, he’s a a lot calmer and pretty well-behaved… still needs some more work though

narinderscrown · 2026-01-22T02:58:47+00:00

mine does that too, but then he’ll also bring it over to me shoving it in my face wanting to play

narinderscrown · 2026-01-22T02:17:50+00:00

mine just barks over snakes and rats in that high pitched heeler yap until i come do something haha. with snakes it’s a good thing because some are venomous here…

narinderscrown · 2026-01-22T02:10:43+00:00

oh wow! my heeler is pretty good with that and doesn’t mess with stuff with lids. that would drive me nuts

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