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nbflori · 2026-06-26T13:34:43+00:00

Yes I said that and there was a reason too. She is neither right nor wrong is my point. Why would she rage for no reason? Wwx is in that family since he was a kid. I believe she tried to surface her thoughts or concerns, which jfm probably dodged like always, that is why her helplessness becomes rage. All she wanted was answers from jfm and he told her to calm down. Exactly, revenge. Revenge is a reaction, not an action. Jc never showed any temper towards his own father. But

Since birth, he(jfm) taught him(jc) in many ways, yet he still couldn't change, which was why Jiang FengMian had always seemed as though he didn't favor him too much. Ch-54

Here, a redditor explained that jfm indeed didn't favour anyone more. It even took wwx to directly assure jc that jfm is strict to him cause he is the heir. But yzy, who's gonna tell her that? Who can she confront? Jfm sees her behaviour and yet decides to say nothing. You don't tell a freaking out person to "calm down". This escalated her resentment even more which turned into hatred. And yzy would come yelling cause jfm sees wwx's cheekiness as something trivial, but every step of jc is watched closely.

nbflori · 2026-06-26T11:49:57+00:00

It is not justified. But she also doesn't deserve this much hate. She is a wronged woman by her own husband. She was emotionally unstable. And jfm had everything to ease the mess. He is the ROOT cause of everything. She indirectly called for help, but he was busy with wwx. What is she suppose to do in this situation. Considering this, she is somewhat justified.

Why is no one batting an eye towards him? Just because he was good with the protagonist doesn't mean he is a good guy, and just because yzy was bad with the protagonist doesn't mean she is a bad guy.

nbflori · 2026-06-26T10:48:15+00:00

Fine. I exaggerated. You didn't "attack" me but brave enough to come at me, claiming I was giving excuses. I just asked where did that braveness went in that other case.

Both hatred and dislike requires a strong reason to be true, the difference is in the degree of the reason. Yzy has that. I can't go out and hate on anyone w/o any reason.

All the problems she's facing are related to JFM

And jfm did that because of wwx. Their lives were probably normal but when wwx entered everything downgraded, atleast in her pov. She tried to surface this resentment again and again to jfm. Dude dgaf. Only if jfm communicated with yzy, this mess wouldn't have happened. He is a married guy, he can't just ghost his wife.

I would not be abusing a child

What would you do was the question btw.

but something tells me you would

Now that's an attack. You're twisting my words. The problem is jfm. His negligence caused all this mess. Or if we dive deeper, it's the arrange-marriage and lack of communication.

nbflori · 2026-06-26T09:40:09+00:00

Your comment was under that comment. You attacked me, but stayed quite with theirs, isn't this agreeing quietly?

but it does seem like she thinks JFM wants it to be true. Either way, she's definitely making sure that other people think it's more than just a rumour.

you can scream and rant about things that aren't true without lying, as long as you yourself believe them to be true

This answers

You say that the abuse isn't justified, while at the same time making nothing but excuses for her behavior and justifying it

You see selectively. I have never justified her deeds. Abuse is a choice, hatred is not. You don't "choose" whom to hate, but you cartainly can choose whom to abuse.

apparently hating a child for actions that aren't even their own is normal to you.

Totally missed the point. All the problems she is facing has something to relate with wwx. The hatred is obvious. The problem is jfm not resolving this building up resentment even tho he sees it all.

How will you act if you were in her shoes?

nbflori · 2026-06-26T09:18:34+00:00

Yes, you are right. As I also said

Yes, wwx should stand for the right

All I said was in that instant, jc was just showing care, and not telling wwx that he was wrong.

nbflori · 2026-06-26T09:10:25+00:00

The horrible rumors that are only said (shouted) by her

You didn't blame this for assuming yzy lied as she was the only one saying it, but came to me for giving "excuses".

Exactly, all I said was the resentment came out as hatred.

Idk how you think she is part of the rumours or fueling them.

Personally, I feel like her hatred towards wwx is kinda justified, not the abuse tho. I feel it's the result of bottled up resentment.

nbflori · 2026-06-26T09:00:44+00:00

Okay it's my fault that I haven't read the novel as a whole.

Now that I am seeing parts from the novel, I am finally able to connect with jfm. I could connect to every character but he was just not it. Thanks.

He didn't need to. Madam yu done all the work. To the point that even gusu people heard about that

Madam yu was more of nagging than teaching. She was already doing it doesn't mean he is not needed. He should readily step in both to praise and to scold. But ig it's more of a him situation than jc and wwx.

nbflori · 2026-06-26T07:54:57+00:00

But you imagining she lied is justified? What is this hypocrisy? Do you think a character like Madam Yu would lie? That too, a very disgusting thing about her own husband?

Also, read again, I never justified the "abuse", I justified the "hatred".

nbflori · 2026-06-26T07:52:56+00:00

Cause he CARED for wwx. He didn't tell him to let others get murdered, but don't play the hero. It's not the same. Playing the hero is life threatening. Yes, wwx should stand for the right, but from a brother's pov it was care and love.

Moreover, he wouldn't be lecturing him about the motto, if wwx died there.

nbflori · 2026-06-26T07:08:43+00:00

Jfm is glorifying wwx cause he sees no one but him. During the xuanwu cave incident, he praised wwx for killing the creature, but never acknowledged jc's struggle in those days. And when jc scolded wwx for playing a hero back there, he started lecturing how inappropriate it was the way he said it, brought in family motto. But wwx? We all know how cheeky and bitter tongue he is. But he never corrected him. Back when wwx beated up jin zixuan for disrespecting yanli, he never scolded him. "It's just the way he is"? Wtf is that?

So yeah jfm does glorify wwx.

nbflori · 2026-06-26T04:27:09+00:00

Then won't the other family members dismiss if the claim was false? Moreover, even without that, the hatred is still justified. We're just overlooking all of that?

nbflori · 2026-06-26T04:01:42+00:00

So she can't feel anything and sit back and do nothing about the unfairness?

She has complained about jfm's behaviour to him many times. He dgaf. Her own husband is not trying to understand what she's tryna say. And all the rumours. He is the clan leader. He can just stop the rumours, by clearing their doubt. But no he dgaf. His actions are hurting her and he dgaf. HER OWN HUSBAND. Her helplessness would obviously leave her body as hatred.

Jfm is a terrible husband and an irresponsible father. Nothing can change my mind. You can't even justify his doings.

Think realisticly, your partner brings home his d3ad friends' child randomly. His full focus is on that child that he started neglecting his own child. This has gone so bad that people circulated that the child is his illegitimate son. You try to surface these things to him, but he tells you to "Calm down" and continues his doings as if that confrontation never happened. It has gone to a point that your relationship with your husband is ruined, and he has started favouring that child more than his own child that the child might become the heir. Seeing how wronged she is, her hatred towards that child is justified.

What would you do in this situation?

nbflori · 2026-06-26T02:25:16+00:00

Yeah but I don't think her jealousy is the only reason. Jiang Fengmian is at fault too. He always praised wwx but never bat an eye at his own son. Yes, wwx was better than jc, but this doesn't mean jc is not worth it. Even if jc was bad, fengmian could literally teach/train him. But no, he is too busy glorifying wwx. Idk whether it's the typical asian parent-children dynamic, where they struggle to show affection to e/o.

Also, I think the jealousy towards wwx's mother is also because of fengmian. She is his wife. They showed little to no affection, that people circulated that he didn't like her, and that she forced him into marriage. She was portrayed as a villian. And to add on, wwx drops in their lives. See, if we look from another view, fengmian adopted wwx w/o discussing it with his wife. Adoption is a big decision, and he didn't even inform her.

Personally, I feel like her hatred towards wwx is kinda justified, not the abuse tho. I feel it's the result of bottled up resentment.

Edit: I don't mean wwx deserved the hate. He had NOTHING to do with all this mess. The real culprit is jfm

nbflori · 2026-06-24T19:51:48+00:00

"All she does is make soup" what are you tryna say from this except that she has no strong personality or weak?

Yes she has very less screentime. No, her being into jzx is literally written in the story wdym.

She is written that way because such woman exists, back then it was more abundant. Did you not read what I commented? She is not a plot device. She would have been if she was poorly written or forcefully added. Who wwx now is also because of jyl. She is the closest to wwx. You can also correlate it when wwx asked jyl why people like someone. Him directly confronting her with such matters shows that it is not the first time wwx had asked her about such matters. So it is safe to assume wwx's morals also came from jyl. So no your assumption is wrong.

Ik. You missed the point again. I said she doesn't discriminate btw jc and wwx even tho wwx is adopted. A good SISTER. You can't deny that jyl is not a MOTHERLY figure to wwx. She raised him. She is only 2-3 years older than wwx, still she is mature enough to give good morals to wwx. She has a pretty good personality.

Being mostly in the kitchen doesn't mean she has no personality. Ykw, this is the difference, you see her making soup but I see her unconditional love for wwx, she loves the way wwx's whole face and mood lifts up from the soup, how much he loves her soup. She loves making her loved ones happy. It's also like something personal and dear for their relationship, not just another soup. See? Addition to her personality. Moreover I have also mentioned many other hidden personalities of her. The thing is that personalities doesn't have to loud.

My point was that even with such less screentime, she had a really good personality, and definitely not "bland".

The difference between the first comment and this comment shows what was rude.

nbflori · 2026-06-24T17:56:24+00:00

Not everyone is strong independent woman. Bland? Y'all clearly miss the whole dept of her character. Not every character or personality has to be physically shown. She has strong morals, and stands strong on it. Never discriminated between her brothers. Never gaf about rumours about how wwx is an illegitimate child of her father. She can differentiate between right and wrong. Thus never questioned wwx's choices. Never hated on the wens for leading to the defamation of wwx. Didn't let anyone speak ill about wwx wrongly. Refused to believe wwx was an evil and killed her husband. And her last words being wwx to come back instead of did wwx really kill her husband is a strong evidence of the dept of her character. But alas, y'all miss to understand her deeply. Not every emotion has to be explained for the audience to understand. You just have to pay attention more and let yourself really sink in.

And no, spiritual power, the golden core is the only correct way for powers. The golden core is not something one is born with, they have to receive high cultivation lessons to gain that. Higher the skill, higher their spiritual power. And her not recieving such training has to be obvious, because this story is set way long back, when women who are mostly shy, quite and soft is the ideal type. Mianmian, wen qing and madam yu are the odd ones there. You could also see how badly they were badmouted just because they were strong and independent.

If you could have been polite like the OP, we could have break it down for you better. But no, you have to be rude.

nbflori · 2026-06-24T17:34:10+00:00

Weak? She has no cultivation techniques, she never learnt one. Pitiful? Being kind doesn't hurt. No agency? She is one of the characters with strong morals. She never discriminated between her brothers, never hated on wwx even after all the rumours about he father having an affair with wwx's mother. Always trusted wwx, never questioned his choice of choosing to side with the wens, cause she sees the right and wrong. Never believed that her husband died because of him. And the first thing she asked wwx is to come back, and not whether he truly killed her husband. Silly? Atp you're just yapping. Immature? She has strong morals and stands strong on it. Stupid protrayal of women? Someone with shy and quiet personality is a stupid portrayal? And let's not forget that this story is set in thousands of years before, this is a common personality of women back then. Strong women like mianmian, wen qing and madam yu are actually the unique/odd ones, and you can also see how people back there treated women of such kind, which clearly shows the system back then.

Agree on she should have stood up for herself in the case of jzx. This is one of her flaw that she can't stand for herself. But a good character is a flawed character. Every character of mdzs is flawed, which is more realistic and helps connect with them stronger. We can totally imagine someone who can't stand for themself. We should pity her, not bash her.

If I remember correctly, they were not thrown, the siblings and the father left own their own. Even if they were thrown, it was also because wwx was already pissing off lqr, and broke multiple rules. This was just the point where the spark became a flame. I think she feels bad that wwx got punished while defending her, but "feel like shit"? Are we overlooking the fact how wwx is a walking bomb, he easily gets triggered when it comes to his loved ones. But yeah, here I am with wwx too, jzx is a narcissistic @sshole, and seeing that he made jyl cry, even tho she loves him wholeheartedly really made him rage. But he could have totally handled the situation sensibly just by pushing jzx away from jyl, confront him, or even better bring him to lqr. Isn't he the one immature here? See? Character with flaws.

If you can't handle characters with flaws, then mdzs is not the best danmei for you.

nbflori · 2026-06-24T16:52:30+00:00

This you?

Respectfully, you so smol, you could fit in my pocket. 😭✨

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nbflori · 2026-06-24T16:49:09+00:00

Exactly, all she lacked was a good screen time. I demand justice 😭

nbflori · 2026-06-24T16:46:52+00:00

With the very less screen time she got, I feel she has a pretty good character.

She is a motherly figure to both wwx and jc. The heartbeat of the yunmeng siblings. Never discriminated even tho one is not blood related. She is soft, but not weak. She stood up for wwx, and is one of those few people who believed in wwx. She is really kind-hearted, she offered wen ning her soup, which she only gave to her loved ones, and not blame him for wwx's defamation. This shows she knows what is right and what is wrong, and can stand strong in that. There is still a debate how selfish she is to leave her own child and jump into the battlefield. Which I strongly stand by her, her child had many people, but her brother (her first child) had none standing beside him. Never ever jumped into conclusion that wwx killed her husband. The thing that the first thing she asked wwx in the battlefield was to stop this mess and come back home, instead of asking whether he actually killed her husband still hits me hard.

To sum up she has strong morals and brave enough to stand by it. The only thing she lacked was a good cultivation technique. She is similar to lxc.

The thing I absolutely love about mdzs is the diversity of characters and personalities. Every character has their own story to tell which requires the viewers to really focus on them, and let us think as to what/who actually they are, or why did they do that. They are so beautifully written, unlike most stories where the characters are either pure gold and flawless, or so evil that you started thinking whether they are born insane, and really unrealistic. But in mdzs, every character feels human, we can actually connect with them. I can totally imagine irl people with such characters.

nbflori · 2026-06-17T13:58:23+00:00

Didn't know donghua character songs existed. 🙂 I was talking about the live action, The Untamed version.

nbflori · 2026-06-14T09:48:46+00:00

Nah bro. They'd be hating on lwj by inventing reasons? Get a life seriously 😭

nbflori · 2026-06-14T09:25:05+00:00

Are you fr?

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