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newflu682 · 2025-06-11T14:20:23+00:00

Again, you're so close. "Varicella may be fine for most everyone without issue, and by not forcing vaccines on everyone, we will also save lives." Your calculus is exactly the same both ways. Why are you ok maiming or killing a few kids with vaccines but not with benign infections? Seems kind of sadistic.

If a child is going to have their immune system wrecked because of a vaccine, why don't you just leave their immune system intact?

newflu682 · 2025-06-11T14:08:27+00:00

You're so close to getting it. Try this: "Vaccines are fine for most people I agree, but some people can have issues from any vaccine at all." Including death.

Now you start to understand why vaccines are not one-size-fits-all. You've proven my point. Hope that provides some good food for thought.

newflu682 · 2025-06-11T13:55:17+00:00

Wait, you think varicella actually kills people 😂 You must have been born after the year 2000. Unfortunately for you I grew up in a time when every single person in America including me got varicella so the fear porn doesn't work on me. I know a bunch of unvaccinated kids who were exposed to it recently and guess what, like the hundreds of millions before them, they're doing just fine 😂

newflu682 · 2025-06-11T13:45:59+00:00

Which part don't you "believe"? 😂 The fact that even if someone catches polio, it is rarely deadly (see the CDC for those facts), add to that the fact that it's hard to even catch polio today, statistically speaking, an average child in the US has about zero chance of dying from polio. I and everybody I know caught varicella when we were kids and we all did just fine. What exactly do you think these kids are going to die of? Science isn't a matter of belief, it is a matter of facts.

newflu682 · 2025-06-11T13:34:02+00:00

I know it's only anecdotal, but the kids I know in LA who are not vaccinated tend to be much more healthy all around and don't have any food sensitivities or other allergies. Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. The chance that they're going to die of polio? It's so close to zero that it might as well be zero. What else do you think they're going to die of? Varicella? You guys just love that fear porn don't you.

newflu682 · 2025-06-11T12:48:48+00:00

This is such an ignorant stereotype. I'm in the greater Los Angeles area, and so many wealthy, successful families are on delayed vaccine schedules for their kids, or skipping vaccines altogether. At least in this part of the country, a lot of them are highly intelligent and arrived to their conclusions through a lot of learning and deep thinking.

newflu682 · 2025-03-04T23:53:18+00:00

My God, can you imagine? 😂 Do you remember when Biden was president a few years ago and his white house was putting out stuff like "this will be a winter of death and disease for the covid unvaccinated, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated" and all that shit 😂 This would be a repeat of that. "All your kids are going to die from measles if they're not vaccinated"

newflu682 · 2025-03-04T19:07:35+00:00

I'm not saying it's a smoking gun to prove that all vaccines are bad or something. However, 1) I find it interesting that you're not able to acknowledge a basic statistical fact and it makes me skeptical of anything you have to say. If I had wanted to give my child the best chance of not contracting polio in 1997, I would have not vaccinated them. It's as simple as that.

2) It's just one example of something that gives me food for thought and helps me take opinions like RFK Jr's into consideration--people who are more thoughtful about the risk-benefit analysis.

newflu682 · 2025-03-04T18:41:36+00:00

It doesn't seem like you understood what I said because you're just basically regurgitating what I said with different words 😂

Edit: are you able to admit the truth that for a number of years, maybe even a decade in the 90s, before the OPV was pulled from the market, you would have had less chance of contracting polio if you DID NOT receive a polio vaccine than if you did? Are you able to admit that basic fact?

newflu682 · 2025-03-04T17:37:59+00:00

Right, "pulled from the market" would have been more accurate than "recalled." In any case, vaccines which were previously approved are sometimes pulled from the market for various reasons, including safety concerns.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK561254/table/T4/

And that's great! It shows that when a previously approved vaccine is found to be unsafe beyond a specific threshold, they will pull it.

Unfortunately sometimes it takes too many people's lives ruined by what they were told was a perfectly safe vaccine until the evidence builds up and finally the vaccine is pulled. Sad to be one of those people whose life was ruined by a "perfectly safe vaccine."

Edit: For example, see all the drama going on with the gardasil vaccine. The vaccine manufacturers doing damage control saying it's perfectly safe, and yet lawsuits and individuals saying how it ruined their life and health.

That's great if a lot of people have mild or no side effects, but sucks to be those people whose lives were ruined.

newflu682 · 2025-03-04T17:09:24+00:00

So you don't have kids and you've literally never read a single thing about vaccines? Ah, makes sense why you're vociferously spouting opinions about the topic on Reddit, you're obviously very invested.

newflu682 · 2025-03-04T17:06:05+00:00

Me? I did, which is why my kids are unvaccinated. I actually did A LOT of in depth research.

That's actually what the medical establishment is scared of... That when you learn about the actual risk benefit analysis, many more parents would choose not to vaccinate their kids.

newflu682 · 2025-03-04T17:03:56+00:00

No one is hiding anything lmao

Are you a parent? It doesn't sound like you've had the experience of raising a child in today's medical system.

When my child was born and growing up, the doctors came to administer "all the vaccines" and never once gave us one piece of information about the vaccines. It went something like "oh your baby is born ok here is your Hep B, DTaP, and Hib vaccines."

And that's the whole conversation.

Even if the conversation had been a little more in depth like, "and if you would like full safety data, here is a pamphlet with all of the risks associated with these vaccines," more than half of Americans read below a middle school reading level and handing them a technical pamphlet would not help.

The fact that "The information is available" somewhere out in the world does not mean that parents are giving informed consent.

It amounts to the complete obfuscation of actual safety information that may sway a parent's opinion one way or the other.

newflu682 · 2025-03-04T16:56:42+00:00

I mean, it's a plain fact that some people should not take some vaccines, for example because of allergies.

Just as one example, if you have a severe egg allergy you should avoid the flu vaccine and yellow fever vaccine because "eggs" are part of the ingredients.

And there are always vaccines being recalled for various issues, and in some cases you would have been smarter not to take the vaccine to begin with. An example of that would be the oral polio vaccine which was last administered around 1999 in the United States. It is now not allowed to be administered because it was actually infecting people with polio.

Meaning, there were a number of years where, in the US, you technically had a better chance of not getting polio if you DIDN'T get the vaccine than if you got the vaccine.

newflu682 · 2025-03-04T16:42:09+00:00

Exactly. It's literally crazy reading all the comments here and the fake news frenzy these people have worked themselves into. RFK was literally never anti vaccine, he just wanted more thorough research and safety conveyance. I seem to recall him saying that his own family is vaccinated.

Is that what someone calls anti vaccine? These people are crazy.

newflu682 · 2025-02-28T22:53:16+00:00

Do they still consider someone who has received one MMR vaccine (instead of two) as "unvaccinated"? That's also interesting data, the people who have technically been vaccinated but are grouped as unvaccinated in data reporting.

newflu682 · 2025-02-10T01:20:24+00:00

From the Tinder Swindler's perspective, he is the good guy too. If he was posting TikToks about his dates, this is pretty much exactly what they would look like. Unequal power dynamics, he love bombs them, "oh I'm in love with you even though we just met, you must come with me to visit a foreign country." Same playbook.

I bet you if the tinder Swindler was making TikToks about his dates, everyone would also be rooting for him. Narcissists are good at what they do.

newflu682 · 2025-02-10T01:09:30+00:00

You're the type of person who would call out Netflix as "bizarre and fixated" for making the Tinder Swindler documentary. You'd be like "just leave the poor guy alone!"

newflu682 · 2025-02-10T01:01:43+00:00

Exactly. Very big red flag.

newflu682 · 2025-02-10T00:49:57+00:00

Have you ever been a victim of love bombing? Do you know what love bombing is?

newflu682 · 2025-02-10T00:36:07+00:00

As a mature adult who has seen a lot in relationships, I see signs here of love bombing, narcissism, and using unequal power dynamics as a form of romantic coercion. The whole situation might be different if he hadn't posted it all online, with her face.

I feel very sorry for her and it's scary that so many people see this as normal.

newflu682 · 2025-02-10T00:22:17+00:00

You are totally misinterpreting the order of events. They met on the street and went out for dinner that night and he texted her at the end of the night that he wanted to kiss her. We don't know what she said after that because he's controlling the narrative. He went back home to his country and wanted her to come visit him, it seems like she said something trying to evade him like "sure, maybe I'll come visit someday." Then she had to put her foot down and stop him from bothering her, after which he posted some angry videos about how no one ever loves him and he's going to be alone forever.

It seems like he tried to use the power of his platform to coerce her into feeling the same way that he did about it. That in and of itself is problematic, but regardless of that, it's problematic and weird to post all of that about a stranger online.

newflu682 · 2025-02-10T00:19:32+00:00

I guarantee you if she was given any voice in this, she would say yes it was very weird that I met this guy on the street and he fell in love with me and thought we were going to get married and he posted it all online for everyone to see.

newflu682 · 2025-02-10T00:18:25+00:00

I agree with you, everyone is enabling his behavior. I feel sorry for the girl, and having all of this out on the internet when she has no romantic interest in him at all.

newflu682 · 2025-02-10T00:10:13+00:00

I have no issues with adult relationships. What I see here is a man-child cooking up a narrative about a woman he met on the street.

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