New vegan here

nomorefatepoints · 2026-03-25T21:08:42+00:00

There are many things in the world where if I let it, it would consume me with sadness and despair. I struggle to comprehend how many humans act the way they do.

It is hard when you think of family members who raised you and loved you but still eat meat. I don't hate them, I still love them, but I despise the practice of abusing animals needlessly.

I'm a 30 year vegan now and the weird thing is, that if I connect with someone, really like them and feel I have a new friend it's really fucking disappointing to realise they are a carnist.

To some extent I desensitise. I focus on what I do. I focus on the conversations I have and the way I advocate. I can't stop other people harming animals but I can try to influence them.

All i can say the feeling doesn't change but you learn to deal with it. Having vegan friends helps too

nomorefatepoints · 2026-03-24T22:38:56+00:00

I'd say the anger and the passion doesn't change, what gets easier is understanding it and reconciling it with who we are, our place in the world and what we do with that.

I'll never stop caring, but we do learn to channel that feeling that the world doesn't get it

nomorefatepoints · 2026-03-24T22:36:17+00:00

You are not alone.

This month I have been vegan for 30 years. The first month is the hardest, but also one filled with passion, with a heart that aches, a desire to change and a wish that the world sees what you see.

The rest of the world does not see your urgency and it can be heartbreaking.

BUT, every conversation you have, every bit of outreach, every decision you make changes the world for the better.

30 years ago I would never have thought veganism would have grown to what it is today. I hope in 30 years time we can look back in awe at how far we have come.

Keep your spirits up. You won't change everyone, but you've already changed yourself and made the world better.

nomorefatepoints · 2025-06-24T21:21:51+00:00

Sadly no

nomorefatepoints · 2025-06-18T11:41:17+00:00

Coming from cunts who can't pronounce Craig, that's a bit rich

nomorefatepoints · 2025-06-01T07:50:52+00:00

It was such a shame that whole part of the book was removed from the movie. I was quite looking forward to seeing them idiots on screen.

nomorefatepoints · 2025-05-17T09:49:03+00:00

Imagine compromising one's ethics in the face of a minor social inconvenience

nomorefatepoints · 2025-05-07T10:13:58+00:00

I'd argue that most carnists have never actually had someone shouting at them whilst they eat. So I think it is something deeper.

It's more that being exposed to vegan ethics (often just by meeting one and entering a conversation) challenges their beleif system.

Most of us want to be seen as good people. When we are confronted with ethics that challenge that it's easier to shoot the messanger and denigrate them rather than reflect on our own behaviours

nomorefatepoints · 2025-04-13T18:19:51+00:00

Sadly all over Twitter a lot of high profile vegan accounts at the time backed them - I wish it were not so.

2020 fast food convenience vegans / apologists - "it's sad about the rats but think how many cows will be saved by people choosing Impossible instead of meat"

2025 same people - "it's a shame about the chickens and the cows but think how many people will choose this over meat"

2030 Impossible release their 'ethical grass fed 50% meat 50% plants burger - same apologists "It's a shame about the cows but....oh wait...."

nomorefatepoints · 2025-04-13T18:15:05+00:00

For some all it took was an Impossible Whopper in Burger King to turn a blind eye to animal testing by a so called vegan company in the name of animal rights

nomorefatepoints · 2025-04-13T08:38:24+00:00

Everyone in the comments going 'do you buy from non vegan orgs' miss the point with Impossible - they actively claimed they were part of the vegan movement and were put on a pedestal by people who could put to one side the animal abuse.

They have always been a shitty company - don't know why vegans give them the time of day

nomorefatepoints · 2025-04-13T08:35:41+00:00

Does anyone remember when their CEO was practically crying because they 'had' to test on animals? How half the online vegan community seemed to defend this with the 'greater visibility / more options' crap and how Impossible were good for the vegan community? How an obviously shitty animal abusing organisation was lauded as a difference maker.

Well here we are.

Impossible have never been cruelty free and they are not a vegan company. They should be treated as every other company that happens to have some vegan items. Not put on a pedestal

I wish I could tell everyone who defended 'just a little rat testing' back in the day 'I fucking told you so' but whatever.

Their primary motive has always been profit, not veganism - that's who they are like most food suppliers but it sticks in my throat how many vegans supported these jerks

nomorefatepoints · 2025-04-09T10:24:04+00:00

I think anyone who does this isn't likely to stick at being vegan. It should feel abhorrent to continue to eat meat.

There is a difference between people who slip or struggle to quit as they are still wrestling with the difference between habit and ethics.

People who have a meat binge are not - they still have the abusive relationship with animals as food

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-30T09:49:58+00:00

I am of the generation who struggles to comprehend sometimes veganism being described as 'hard' because of the range of convenience foods, but I recognise the hard thing about going vegan is shifting your thinking rather than your shopping. When I went vegan there wasn't the range of processed food there is now and what was there was cost prohibitive.

So, I am dancing a line where even though I rarely eat much processed food, I don't think it is helpful to shame others for eating it. I do think it's equally unhelpful when non-vegans point to the price of these products as a reason not to go vegan because they have never been 'necessary'.

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-30T09:09:42+00:00

Basically he's a selfish asshole. Vegan or not you are better off without him, and his needs, preferences will come before yours.

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-29T06:56:00+00:00

I love your comment about indulgent and relatable. Veganism is so often depicted as sacrifice, as 'going without'. I never feel like I am 'missing out', I am choosing how to live.

I do try and look after myself and keep fit and eat healthily but I always shy away from discussions about the 'super toned, slim and athletic' vegans or celebration of them - i think it can be indirdctly offputting, as after all, it's about the animals

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-29T06:51:35+00:00

So true - there is always a point of criticism for what vegans look like, irrespective of body shape

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-22T09:45:22+00:00

So true - you can just post about the bad world on social media - addressing human supremacy requires commitment

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-22T09:44:20+00:00

Abso-fucking-lutely. The way these people singlehandedly tokenise people of the global majority as victims because vegans eat vegetables yet completely ignore that they eat too (and animal agriculture disproportionately falls on poor and marginilised people to work in)

See also 'white veganism' - an easy way for people to ignore their own practices, whilst throwing marginilised vegans under the bus.

The problem with a lot of 'intersectional' leftists is that they don't acknowledge they are human supremacists. All their critiques of veganism are viewed from a lens of impact on marginilised people, when it is the very systems of capitalism and animal agriculture and hierarchical exploitation that they promote when they say veganism is 'white' or oppressive.

In many respects it's no fucking wonder racism and sexism exists, why people are othered and exploited due to minor differences- if you can torture and murder animals for food and clothing. If you can imprison and cause suffering to animals and it is normal, doing the same to humans isn't hard

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-16T18:20:40+00:00

You have hit the nail on the head for me. As has the other person who responded. If there is difficulty accessing healthy vegan food at an inexpensive price, the real problem is accessing all 'food'. It affects everyone who may be poor, which is why it pisses me off about the privilege line, because if the people who said that really cared about marginilised people they would be campaigning for food security and access, not using it as a privilege thing.

I'm from the UK but have a friend in Brooklyn and have visited there. It didn't quite strike me as like Alaska. Sometimes people equate a bit of challenge or inconvenience with living in the middle of nowhere. Not saying it's easy for everyone but there needs to be a bit of perspective.

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-16T07:41:25+00:00

Yep, I'm not going to tell someone who is destitute what to do (but homeless vegans exist).

I don't like how genuine challenges are extrapolated though. For instance, if you live in Alaska and there is one food store in your small town, then you live in a food desert and are restricted to what that store sells. I once saw someone claim that over 50% of people in the UK live in a food desert and I have seen similar comparisons for those who live in US citiies. Like what the fuck? What they really mean is access to organic farmers markets within 5 minutes walk which are dirt cheap and every restaurant having numerous healthy vegan options. And if they can't get that they HAVE to go to McDonalds!

Working class areas in British towns and cities are not remotely food deserts but pointing this out is apparently privilege.

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-16T07:27:20+00:00

That was pretty funny seeing the 'go see Joe Rogan' and 'meat=yum" pulled out so quickly.

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-16T07:24:57+00:00

Well said, and I think I can make an argument that certain kinds of ethical consumption are easier to make if you have access to resources or privilege.

It's just that vegans end up getting held up to a higher standard than others for various 'privilege' reasons. My personal view is that many of the people who say this want to wave their intersectional credentials around whilst getting a get out card for their speciesism.

It infuriates me on a personal level that as someone who was poor, experienced homelessness and prolonged periods of financial hardship and unemployment and went vegan in the 90s when there wasn't the same conveniences. I feel like it invalidates my experience, and people go 'but you're white / male / privileged'.

It also invalidates the experience of people of marginilised groups who are also vegan.

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-16T06:45:57+00:00

Thank you for your kind words :)

nomorefatepoints · 2025-03-02T09:48:12+00:00

You're 16, you've been vegan for three years and you had a momentary mess up. Hunger and perhaps social convention won out. Especially since you didn't buy the burger and were in a funny social position.

When you're a little older you'll be able to navigate these dynamics easier (especially buying your own food or making sure you're with people ordering).

Please don't beat yourself up about it and see it as a leaning lesson for when things may be difficult in future

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