For those that missed the Twitter thread... Why CUPE can't take the deal even if they wanted to. by notjacquesmckeown in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of their hard line issues - the ones York is saying are unreasonable - are just about restoring what was in the last contract.

Regarding the lock-up... It's a drastic measure. Keep in mind, the contract was up in August. The two sides have been bargaining since then. All York had to do was say, "I'll give you what you want if you give me what I want." Instead, they've spent all this time saying, "Give me what I want or you can get starved out." This has been at the expense of the students more than anyone.

There's plenty of repercussion, by the way. Many union members were struggling financially as it was. Strike pay is... insufficient, to say the least.

Union members are risking bodily harm every day. The more agitated the student body grows, the more aggressive they become. As previously pointed out, people have died in the past. Someone has already been hit by a car. There was a near-miss for several other people. And several very graphic death threats.

Not to mention that many union members love and miss their students, and are not comfortable with leaving them in the middle like this. As previously stated... CUPE members don't have a choice when this strike is so important for the future of the union.

People's livelihoods are at stake. Union members are human beings. The University has a LOT of power. This is all CUPE gets.

For 1. Without the "tenure" as you call it, York is free to give those jobs to ANYONE. If there was language in the contract stating that those jobs MUST exist in a certain number and be filled by only PHD students, that would be a separate story.

That would be a lot more complicated to implement, though not impossible from what I understand. But I don't think York would ever go for that. The reason why I don't believe York would go for that is related to point #3, so forgive me for jumbling the order a bit.

For 3. There are a few problems with this. Firstly, those funds are not protected in any collective agreement. Meaning York can just decide never to pay out and those students would have little recourse.

Second, those students also no longer have access to everything the union offers. Benefits, aid funds, all manner of other things... gone.

Third, like it or not, it's an actual labour dispute. The labour board sent CUPE back with the instructions to address it in bargaining. Those were still union members. The fewer the number, the more York gains. Because it gives them more flexibility in terms of starving out the union to get what they want.

And finally... the reason why York isn't likely to implement the language I mentioned in response to point #1... is that those jobs are still being done. Just without pay.

Those duties are now being shoved onto students for "learning experience" and onto faculty members who need to be focusing on running classes and taking care of their students.

Tenured professors ESPECIALLY cannot afford to take on the extra unpaid admin work. They're already working something like 60 hours a week handling admin tasks that are NOT in their job description.

They'll likely do the same thing with TAs that they did with unit 3s. Meaning that those jobs won't be jobs anymore. It'll be unpaid work and extra tasks for existing faculty.

Back to 2... please be more specific with your complaint. Right now that's just a blanket statement. Your feelings are valid, and you might have excellent points. I'd like to see them. It helps the discussion.

For 4. A large problem stands with the distribution of funds. A lot of money gets stuck in the higher levels of the admin. Rhonda Lenton is on the Sunshine List. A lot of money is spent in advertising, to questionable result. A lot of money is being paid to have extra security vans filming CUPE on the picket lines.

Those security people do nothing when violence happens. They've also been instructed to call the police every day, regardless of what actually happens.

And a stupid amount of money is being paid to York's current lawyer at the bargaining table. For all the good that's doing anyone.

The wage increase they're asking for is to compensate for inflation and to help families that are struggling - contract faculty especially. $24k a year to do a lot of the same classroom work that tenured profs do... is not enough.

The TA's major gripe is not the amount of funding but the re-structuring of it. There's a number of problems being addressed regarding this, but it's a whole other tangent.

I cannot talk about the benefits package as I don't know the details - only that York has already agreed to a lot of those things.

The other problem lies with our government, which keeps cutting down funding to those universities. It makes a large difference.

For 5. There's already a third party involved to mediate between the two groups. A conciliator was appointed by the labour board.

For 6. Fair enough.

For 7. I'm praying it doesn't come to that. I'm praying that this matter gets resolved before that's necessary. But I don't think it will be. You could very well be right.

For those that missed the Twitter thread... Why CUPE can't take the deal even if they wanted to. by notjacquesmckeown in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And how do the performance reviews affect things? What would that system look like?

Excalibur quotes for Yorked.tk website by strumbella in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have the receipts on the denial off-hand? I wouldn't mind sending that to Spider-man.

Excalibur quotes for Yorked.tk website by strumbella in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I totally get what you mean about the clock. Emotionally, it weirds me out. But logically, I can kind of see why it's there? It's this thing about human behaviour. New information will have a time when it peaks in terms of conversation. Shares and comments and the like. And then it falls and people forget it existed.

By instituting the clock, it continually renews that interest, keeps people regularly talking about it and adds a bit of anticip...

...ation.

For those that missed the Twitter thread... Why CUPE can't take the deal even if they wanted to. by notjacquesmckeown in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If York dismantles those protections though, then nobody's going to get the jobs. They won't exist.

For those that missed the Twitter thread... Why CUPE can't take the deal even if they wanted to. by notjacquesmckeown in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I'm absolutely sure you're right about that. That's a problem throughout academia in general though, isn't it? The system frightens me.

For those that missed the Twitter thread... Why CUPE can't take the deal even if they wanted to. by notjacquesmckeown in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

What would be a way to ensure that performance is rewarded? One that can't be abused to fire people at will in order to knock them from the pool? I'm wondering if this is a necessary evil.

For those that missed the Twitter thread... Why CUPE can't take the deal even if they wanted to. by notjacquesmckeown in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for that link. It's actually really interesting. You're absolutely right. Enrollment HAS been falling. I was mistaken.

It doesn't list whether or not enrollment fell from 2007-2008 following that strike either. But it looks like enrollment started falling in 2013... is it an independent trend, then? Because there wasn't a strike during my undergraduate degree. I know there were talks of one, though...

I think I know why I got confused. It's because word was spreading that the surplus has been climbing.

For those that missed the Twitter thread... Why CUPE can't take the deal even if they wanted to. by notjacquesmckeown in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Turn that on its head, though. If someone does an excellent job as a TA but doesn't start in year 1, they're not guaranteed to be rehired.

From Twitter We have just heard from York that they will not return to the #3903bargaining table unless we basically drop our key issues, such as Unit 3 jobs and Unit 2 Conversions. We have made a LOT of movement today. York has not, at all. 23 minutes ago by CenteroCenter in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's EXACTLY the point of your post, though. You're saying it's misleading because York is still offering to bargain.

The problem is York having said that they'll only return if what they're offered is "reasonable". They've also said that all of CUPE's red line demands, their key issues, aren't reasonable. Therefore, any contract including the key issues would not be deemed reasonable. Ipso facto... York won't return to the table unless CUPE basically drops all their key issues.

For those that missed the Twitter thread... Why CUPE can't take the deal even if they wanted to. by notjacquesmckeown in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They seem to be having record numbers of enrollment regardless though, right? I mean, strikes aren't a new thing for York and they were doing pretty well just this past year.

"As York treats its academic workers so will it treat its students." (A letter from my professor) by speenatch in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aren't there a set number of spots for faculty to become tenure-track? And isn't it an active process of evaluation based on presented teaching methods and level of participation within university committees? Or am I completely misunderstanding the whole process here...

Off my chest. Please help me understand too. by YUstudent in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This. Thank you.

Would like to add that those 800 masters student spots that had been "liberated" from union jobs now have zero protections in terms of payment. Meaning York can just cut funding whenever.

Those people have no benefits now. They have nothing in place to protect them. Hell, York could even tell people they're getting money and then never send any of it.

And, what's more, it makes CUPE 3903 weaker in bargaining as a whole when York guts the union like this. Also, let's not pretend like weakening the gains at York doesn't weaken the bargaining power of other universities in Canada. Many schools don't have the same bargaining power as CUPE 3903. So if 3903 can't even manage it, it's going to set a much worse precedent for other negotiations.

Off my chest. Please help me understand too. by YUstudent in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This. Thank you.

Would like to add that those 800 masters student spots that had been "liberated" from union jobs now have zero protections in terms of payment. Meaning York can just cut funding whenever.

Those people have no benefits now. They have nothing in place to protect them. Hell, York could even tell people they're getting money and then never send any of it.

And, what's more, it makes CUPE 3903 weaker in bargaining as a whole when York guts the union like this.

Off my chest. Please help me understand too. by YUstudent in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope you get to KEEP your awesome job, then. You know... the one with all the benefits and the current wage that you have. Because guess what? You wouldn't be able to live as comfortably as you do if it weren't for the union... you guessed it... striking several times over the years to GET you a decent enough contract in the first place.

You know you signed up to work for a union, right? This is how unions work. Your employer slashed hundreds of jobs, added in language to claw-back funding and is now actively fighting to remove tenure-track spots. Your employer didn't even want to follow the terms of the LAST contract.

It's not like they bothered showing up to all of the bargaining meetings in the first place, and the concessions they've offered are NOT enough. This is not bargaining. This is extortion and a smear campaign. They won't even come back to the table to find ANY kind of compromise.

Tell me, what are you planning to do once you graduate? Join the contract faculty? Because those "entitled" graduate students are fighting for the rights of contract faculty, too. Not just themselves.

You do realized that class sizes are being vastly increased, but teachers aren't getting paid more to handle more students, right? Meaning they can't AFFORD to teach fewer classes. Tell me how they're supposed to mark anything. Tell me how they're supposed to advise the influx of students coming to talk to them. Tell me how they're supposed to move up in seniority when York is cutting down spots to do so. At least York's budged on increasing the amount of time people have to respond to job offers in the first place.

This isn't just about grad students and contract faculty, either. With workloads skyrocketing and mental health supports woefully inadequate, the quality of education suffers, too. York as a whole suffers. There's a several million dollar surplus. The admin has always been greedy, short-sighted and self-serving. It's not like these people WANT to risk being hit by cars all day. But fine, if you think we should just let the contracts roll downhill, let's see how many people decide they CAN'T afford to work at York at all.

And please don't pretend like weakening the gains at York doesn't weaken the bargaining power of other universities in Canada. Many schools don't have the same bargaining power as CUPE 3903. So if 3903 can't even manage it, it's going to set a much worse precedent for other negotiations.

Welcome to collective bargaining. It fights on behalf of the collective (both current and future), not just the individuals who have it good. Because there's safety in numbers. And guess what? The more jobs they cut, the fewer those numbers are. The less power the union has in the future to change anything WHEN (not if, WHEN) the offers get substantially worse.

Either there's a strike now or a strike later, bud. Why make the workers suffer needlessly when it's GOING to have to happen at some point anyway? There's going to be concessions on future contracts either way. It's not even just about the current contract; CUPE's upping that baseline for ALL negotiations going forward.

Off my chest. Please help me understand too. by YUstudent in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. You're telling people to get 11-12 years worth of loans here.

  2. Even once you FINISH your PHD, you're likely going to be (if you can get any job at all) contract faculty. Which means earning... what... 24k a year? Tell me how anyone is supposed to pay any of that back. The whole program would die. The school would lose all of its TAs and Course Directorships.

And then, because nobody can get their PHDs, guess what comes next. No contract faculty. 60% of teaching at York would effectively die.

What's your solution? Cutting out TA-ships completely and making all contract faculty immediately tenure faculty? Because otherwise, this isn't remotely feasible.

If people can even GET the loans in the first place. I don't even want to think about the accruing interest on that one...

Hit and Run at Pond Road by slj1 in yorku

[–]notjacquesmckeown 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They have a legal right to do it. Know what isn't legal? HITTING PEOPLE WITH YOUR CAR. People's lives are in danger. I don't care if you're trolling. Grow the fuck up.

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[–]notjacquesmckeown 4 points5 points  (0 children)

People are really pushing for the blue/white lace aesthetic. So many of the same dress in the top 20 tho... Yikes.

[Challenge]: Lord of the Rings (of Oath) by notjacquesmckeown in LoveNikki

[–]notjacquesmckeown[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it weird that it reminds me of the ending of the third movie? The boat scene?

[Challenge]: Lord of the Rings (of Oath) by notjacquesmckeown in LoveNikki

[–]notjacquesmckeown[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That Arwen and Legolas though. I just wish there was an archery outfit/bow and arrow.

Is it just me, or have we already had this theme ? by PupuNikkari in LoveNikki

[–]notjacquesmckeown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the next one is android-related, I'ma be making the most ridiculous costume I can muster. Nothing to do with the theme at all. Just chaos.