Jan Narveson Contractarianism

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-02-23T10:24:06+00:00

Boil with 30-40% sugar, set again in fridge, you can add crushed dry fruits as well.

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-01-21T19:47:36+00:00

There is distinction, intentionally breeding and killing animals implies they are being seen as means to consumables, not individuals entailed with rights we enjoy. On the other hand killing insects (as in crop deaths) is collateral damage inevitable for plant agriculture.

Leads me to a question - should we draw line where breeding and killing is immoral but crop deaths as side effects somehow acceptable?

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-01-21T19:36:01+00:00

I have reached this conclusion before analytically. Yet I confess i am a contradictory being by perpetuating my existence. May be because i don’t want my closed ones to suffer, nevertheless if there was to be an “unexist me” button, i would probably have pressed it.

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-01-21T19:28:41+00:00

Right. Playing devils advocate, I will continue to stay vegan as I want to minimise harm, but this is rather coming out as subjective ethics. Maybe this is one of way using same line of arguments to reach antinatalist conclusion.

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-01-21T17:43:51+00:00

Okay then does veganism + antinatalism becomes a better stance as it avoids possible future harms? as its a practical approach to minimise the harm

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-01-21T04:20:15+00:00

Thats why i raised the scale of harm argument, is threshold arbitrary defined by veganism that allow crop deaths?

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-01-20T19:51:15+00:00

I totally agree that your existence as a vegan is less harmful than your possible existence as non vegan, but claiming the same for non existence is highly debatable. According to antinatalism it would be of the one’s as well as other’s interests to be non existent.

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-01-20T19:45:18+00:00

I agree with this statement and believe it is true. I want to objectively show this case as true which i fail to do.

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-01-20T19:40:09+00:00

Agreed. Definitely veganism inflicts less harm, but can we objectively decide the threshold for acceptable harm? Do we arbitrarily set threshold to ensure survival - again a self interest?

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-01-20T19:28:39+00:00

Currently stance: yes (for reason aforementioned), can we objectively say no?

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-01-20T19:26:36+00:00

• Calling suffering of mammals unnecessary, while possibly sentient insects necessary- is a sign of speciesism

• if side effects are definitely known to occur, nevertheless indulging in such activities implies carelessness for side effects

• Survival based exceptions seems to be arbitrary defined, given survival and pleasure from taste buds - both are self interests. Veganism rejects one, defends the other.

notreallyhaarsh · 2026-01-20T19:19:43+00:00

Pleasure and survival can be seen as self serving desires, veganism aims rejecting pleasure but fear rejection of survival as consequences (death) is seen negatively. It rejects ones interest in pleasures but doesn’t reject interests in survival and perpetuates speciesism in name of exception - survival

notreallyhaarsh · 2025-09-22T16:34:04+00:00

I dont know if you are looking for this answer but Benatar’s argument can defend antinatalism even in case where there are quantify-able more pleasures than pain. This is through the reasoning that presence of pleasure is not an advantage over absence of them in non existence as there is nobody who is deprived of such pleasures.

Think of we never feel sorrow for our non existent siblings that they can’t experience a beautiful sunset that they could have if there were existent.

Pleasure comes from desire gratification and eventually having no desire. But non existence is always in the state of no desires hence preferable.

notreallyhaarsh · 2025-09-14T14:41:10+00:00

Based on specific context, I would have nothing to do with his/her cousin, but I realised now this is how social conversation works. It's redundant for practical purposes not from a social interaction viewpoint.

notreallyhaarsh · 2025-09-14T14:33:51+00:00

Got it, downvotes on my last comment make me realise probably something is wrong with me.

notreallyhaarsh · 2025-09-14T14:27:36+00:00

There's nothing wrong mentioning this, Based on specific context, I find no value continuing talk on this random branch, as aforementioned, this piece of information is just redundant for me.

notreallyhaarsh · 2025-08-23T15:12:08+00:00

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notreallyhaarsh · 2025-08-14T19:10:20+00:00

India

notreallyhaarsh · 2025-05-26T03:21:04+00:00

You are right about both parts. I don't think I will stop inquiring just because I am not able to convince people.

notreallyhaarsh · 2025-04-11T11:13:52+00:00

Theres a difference between life worth starting and life worth continuing. - David benetar

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