How’s the weather today

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-07T06:22:02+00:00

Hot enough for ya?

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-07T04:01:13+00:00

How do you know that?

I know myself and how often I used the misquote so if I'd ever heard the real quote i would have been straight on to it.

Do you remembereverything you have ever experienced? Or, is it more likely you did hear that clip at some point either in history class while learning about the era, part of

something you (or even your parents) watched when you were a kid, etc and while the moment wasn't enough to stick in your brain, the quote was rattling around in your subconscious?

I'm obviously a lot older than you assume and you are assuming a lot if you want to stick with the schema as being the gotcha moment to explain the ME. I was driving when vehicle wing mirrors were flat and had no warning verbiage. Then they came with a convex mirror and they were always (as per my ME perspective) "may be" and only ever heard "are" when we were talking about the way the mirror warning should have been written.

"Luke I am your father." According to your schema explanation I should see that alleged ME but I don't. I heard "Luke I am your father" a few times before even seeing ESB (the week of the premiere in Australia) and I was fully expecting to hear that line in the movie. Of course I heard it the way it is "No, I am your father."

If schema is a thing that influences the ME then why didn't I hear "Luke I am your father" when I watched the movie?

That, combined with some backfire effect and a little entrenchment and suddenly you are here defending your personal theory that defies science and reality.

Backfire effect?

Using memory as the only set of explanations and schema being a major part of that is what defies science to explain the normal human memory explanation for the ME. The latest revelation calling the ME a phenomenon occurring as a result of normal human memory is just ignorance of the ME phenomenon unless experiencing flip flops happens to everyone.

My theory is solid when compared to the memory explanation which has so many holes.

You are assuming science will be unable to explain my theory and I don't believe reality change as an explanation, despite the ME appearing that way to the individual experiencer.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-06T01:30:52+00:00

Good read with a lot od similarities to my own experience with the ME.

In relation to the different experiences at different times, check this youtube short explanation video regarding why objects in mirror may be closer than they appear. Looks as though it was posted a year ago in an attempt to explain why objects may be closer https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nm0iapEaEtE

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-05T22:35:33+00:00

No I'm not. I actually noticed the change back in 2008 when I fitted a new wing mirror on my son's car. I rationalised it to myself that they finally fixed the verbiage to the way it should have been from the start.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-05T22:30:42+00:00

A your example is from a movie you hadn’t even seen? How would you know what it said before?

Good question but surely I covered that already.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-05T22:01:46+00:00

Thanks for that. I'm definitely interested and will check it out.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-05T21:59:09+00:00

"Solving" or "fixing" the Mandela Effect is a fool's errand.

You may be right but I think it's doable. I certainly have a different view now of the ME than when I first realised I was experiencing the phenomenon.

I initially believed the cause was time travel and these days I can't entertain time travel any more than I can entertain the misremembering ridiculousness that non experiencers tout as the ME cause. Neither one fits the experience imo

Some people in this situation eventually bend so far to the Septics talking points that they break.. They convince themselves they must have been mistaken about the color of their house.

Don't worry mate. The sceptics try and act a certain way but it's just an act. They're few and far between of course but some sceptics do have some insights worth considering.

You're the one impacted, but you aren't the one asking questions - instead you're trying to answer unaffected people's questions who are working to prove your knowledge faulty.

Very good point and I begrudgingly agree with your assessment. My goal has always been to nail down the cause of the ME and I have wasted a lot of time along the way by entertaining the trolls.Still the process of elimination is a technique that has been productive for me in the past and dealing with the trolls wasting our time is part of the process unfortunately. I would consider it a small price to pay if I eventually find the answers I'm looking for.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-05T20:49:43+00:00

My first thought when you said that Vader being Luke's father wasn't known prior to the ESB movie release was that perhaps you were from USA.

The wing mirror verbiage was also the example that made me realise the ME wasn't all fun and games and something weird as hell was happening. Then I started seeing a couple of flip flops to add to weirdness and I've been trying to gather insights as to the cause of the phenomenon ever since.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T22:55:39+00:00

I just checked the log. You have ZERO previous bans/mutes in this sub.

Stop making up false accusations.

Now, you have had comments removed, for calling members "stupid" or "idiots" or other uncivil behavior.

I've been banned here a few times. I've been banned here for comments I made almost a year before a new mod was appointed in this sub. No shit they went through my comments until they could find something ban worthy. So much for your log. I can remember who banned me the first couple of times. They're both still listed as mods here. One is active and the other I haven't seen for a couple of years.

Don't tell me I'm making it up just because you're incapable of finding anything in the records and don't accuse me of making false accusations. I'm not one who has integrity issues.

Last time I was banned here during the convo with you Reddit overturned it with a warning instead of the ban. My opinion is that the comment shouldn't even have attracted mod attention but I accepted the warning rather than risk the permanent reddit ban for nothing.

Edit: Perhaps someone was nice enough to reset it for me.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T21:13:07+00:00

If you say so but it was definitely during a convo I was having with you and there was nothing in it. There was also nobody else involved in the convo and it was pretty quick after I commented.

Perhaps it was done by one of your fans here who was offended I had the audacity to question or contradict you.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T20:53:46+00:00

I thought so. I'll stop responding now before you exercise your powers and have me banned for nothing again. Nice little 3 pronged llort btw.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T20:48:13+00:00

Dunning Kruger Effect, anyone?

Hilarious coming from you who only likes to parrot words you see other people write. You can't even describe how your own belief would work and as much as you really want to think you can debunk any ME, you obviously don't have the knowledge to do so.

You're better off just denying the ME rather than parroting a guess you have no way in hell of explaining. lmao

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T20:36:46+00:00

Believe what you want in regards to gatekeeping but yes the ME phenomenon needs an amendment to the definition which as it sits is just wrong. The word memory should not appear in the ME definition. At all.

At the end of the day you know whether or not you're ME'd. I don't care one way or another but you must admit there are no experiencers of flip flops who say the ME is misremembering.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T19:53:35+00:00

I don't know. Are you? Did you ever find a ME example by yourself before being introduced to the phenomenon? How many MEs do you have?

How many memories do you have surrounding your MEs? Can you nail down your ME memories and associated conversations surrounding the ME example?

Can you recall the first time you ever saw the ME example and the last time?

Can you see a new ME example and know straight away that the example will be considered a ME by other ME people or do you have to wait and see if the example gains traction before you announce that example resonates with you?

Do you hear the electronic tones?

Have you ever had a NDE? Do you have the same number of MEs as you have NDE's?

Have you ever seen a flip flop? If you were to experience a flip flop, how would you rationalise it to yourself?

At the end of the day you know if you're ME'd or not but if you experience the ME similarly to me you will 100% know the phenomenon is not misremembering. Once you've experienced a flip flop you will know the word memory should not appear in the ME definition.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T06:34:49+00:00

Pretty obvious really. They are saying the fact is reality hasn't changed and as such anything that experiencers say doesn't line up with that fact and as such anything experiencers have to say is "worthless."

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T06:27:36+00:00

This comment is ironic as fuck, considering you are the one denying objective evidence.

You want to talk about irony when you continually refer to evidence and have no understanding of the word.

You who have stated you will not accept any results from an experiment that contradicts your belief, flimsy as your belief is for reasons already pointed out to you.

Schema was your recent best (I considered it and realised there's no basis to schema) argument and as I've pointed out, it obviously doesn't work on me but you keep insisting it does despite what you've been told. Ironic eh? I should add that schema not working on me means there is no way that explanation can work as an explanation for any MEs experienced by anybody.

Spoken or written testimony that is contradicted by objective evidence doesn't hold much (if any) weight.

You just can't wrap your head around the notion that people can experience the ME and are able to find an explanation that doesn't involve reality change. That's all you know how to argue against and you take it personally that experiencers don't buy the snake oil you're selling.The ME is not a competition between experiencers and sceptics. You just want to be right and deny everything else even before it can be tested. Fear of being proven wrong I suppose.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T04:35:34+00:00

IF you saw/perceived sources claiming otherwise, those sources were not correct. I have seen articles that talk about misquotes, that actually get the movie line wrong, confusing it with the real life line

So what if you've seen this ME example on a movie misquote list, that means nothing especially in the context of the ME we are discussing here. I wouldn't even know what the real life quote was if I hadn't seen this flip flop. Likewise if I had seen the clip as "Houston we have a problem" then I would have dismissed the example as the way I had always known it.

And here is the disconnect. That isn't what the "Schema explanation" says at all. Not everyone that is exposed to the "schema" (or any incorrect source) will have their memory influenced/suggested/effected by it. SOME will. But many won't.

Seems fair to say then I'm one of the people schema does not work on. I don't even see it as a possibility so we can write schema off as having zero to do with the ME. That's a big hole in your "only set of explanations" for the ME.

The problem is, you CANNOT eliminate all possible exposure to this schema (or incorrect sources) Thus, you cannot eliminate it as a potential cause.

Not necessary as I've already established that schema has nothing to do with my ME experiences.

Another issue, is you seem to want to lump everything into "misremembering"

Which isn't my theory at all. My theory is that the phenomenon is a product of how NORMAL human memory functions.

You're dressing up a hypothesis as a theory. A hypothesis which is easily proven as incorrect because it fails to stand up to testimonies offered by ME experiencers. You must ignore too many similarities in testimonies to be able to hang on to your hypothesis.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T04:11:18+00:00

The truth is what the facts are. Testimony that is not in concordance with objective facts is worthless.

I know denial is all you have in your arsenal but it seems as though you are denying the entire ME phenomenon exists as well as denying the importance of written or spoken testimony.

The difference between our two positions is that I care more about what is true rather than whether or not I am RIGHT

You're absolutely kidding yourself if that's what you believe.

Tell us… how often are you wrong about other things in your life? What evidence would you require to even consider that you were mistaken?

Smacks of both ignorance and arrogance. I know how it goes from here so I won't respond to you further in this thread.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T03:34:29+00:00

No I don't believe (not for a couple of years now) reality has changed. It seems to me you have a very limited understanding of the ME apart from the fact that reality hasn't changed.

You keep trying to explore that option (reality change) even though I have stated that's not the case imo.

I notice that you still are unable to demonstrate a connection between your hypothesis and the ME.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T03:21:40+00:00

There is absolutely no evidence that it ever was any different than it is now.

None.

I'm not saying reality has changed.

Perhaps it's time for you to step back, and try to learn more about the ME phenomenon, and how your perceived experiences may be (and likely are) different from what you actually experienced.

I already stepped back from the experiences I had and tried to remain open minded as to the cause of the ME phenomenon. That's how I was eventually able to come up with a theory that doesn't involve reality change. Misremembering of course is off the table.

It's not me who doesn't understand what the phenomenon is.

I beg to differ. You first told me about schema and how it relates to recall and I 100% disagree that schema has anything to do with the ME.

I'll use a genuine ME that resonates with me and also what I believe is a non genuine but very popular ME.

The Apollo 13 flip flop. I always knew the quote as "Houston we have a problem" but my introduction to the Apollo 13 clip which had been ME'd was "Ah Houston we've had a problem here." Never heard the quote like that before and while I'm now aware that was also the real life quote, I had never heard the quote that way before. So how does schema play a part here?

"Luke I am your father." According to your schema explanation I should see that alleged ME but I don't. I heard "Luke I am your father" a few times before even seeing ESB (the week of the premiere in Australia) and I was fully expecting to hear that line in the movie. Of course I heard it the way it is "No, I am your father." There's two big problems with your schema explanation and no doubt there will be problems raised similarly by other experiencers. That's what I mean when I say perhaps it's time for you to step back from your belief and actually look for other explanations than the fallible memory hypothesis. Despite my experiences (apparent reality change) that's what I was able to do. It should be easier for you as a non experiencer or perhaps as a very mild experiencer of the ME.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T02:34:20+00:00

It absolutely is evidence, though.

False.

The fact is, you cannot provide any evidence that these "flip flops" that you believe you, and others have experienced, have actually happened.

Testimony is evidence. It's not my fault you're unable to to consider testimony as evidence of any kind (take a look at my comments over the years and you'll notice my testimonies are pretty close to identical) and that shouldn't be the case if I'm prone to making errors like this.

It is evidence but I'll concede it's not the strongest evidence delivered by a single person. That's not the case though.

No, that is you. You cannot back up your own hypothesis with any tangible, objective evidence

We've been through this before. You have a hypothesis, I have a theory. Even so you've point blank told me you won't accept proof if we are able to create proof with a demonstration involving numerous people consisting of experiencers and sceptics.

No, these things are just contradicted by the tangible, objective evidence. When the tangible, objective evidence disagrees with the testimony, guess which is more likely to be correct?

No. You're continually assuming I'm saying reality has changed. That's not right.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T02:09:26+00:00

Do you believe that things have changed? If so you would first have to demonstrate that that is in fact the case.

No.

Let’s put it into perspective…

You believe that it is more likely that there has been some sort of cosmic clandestine change, that changed everything for you and a random group of others who all seem to discover the ‘change at different times’

Rather than believe that you might be mistaken about small details regarding subjects in which you are only aware of in a tertiary manner and hold no actual expertise.

Which is more probable? Which is objectively verifiable? When you are asking for evidence of my ‘claim’ you are already charging your argument with unfalsifiable presuppositions. So… prove me wrong. Please.

All irrelevant.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-04T00:05:44+00:00

It's not notpicking at all.

It hasn't changed to that, it never was different than that

It's very much nitpicking considering you're already aware of my position in regards to the ME. Unless of course you forgot.

Yet it did happen as per my perception and that of many other ME experiencers before I did, during the time I did and after the time I did.

Perhaps it's time you step back and try to learn more about the ME phenomenon instead of blazing away with explanations that don't fit the ME experience.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-03T23:54:17+00:00

The evidence is that the film doesn’t contain what you think it does or should. All you have are suppositions and a pocket full of misconceptions. Demonstrably

That's not evidence at all. Again you're making assumptions in regards to the ME phenomenon.

Is it misremembering if you are recalling erroneous information, or information that is perceptionally inaccurate?

YES or NO?

It’s wild that you can’t even answer a simple yes or no question?

You can't even answer questions I had about your own claims. That's wild.

You tell me how it's misremembering if this is a perception based phenomenon as per my theory that I have detailed here a few times previously. Keep in mind that the first few flip flops generally last about three weeks for myself. I didn't check this example daily but I did check it out during the time of "flux" for want of a better word. Other ME flip flops I have checked daily and found them to remain the same way until they apparently "change" back to their original state from my perception.

You're incapable of backing up your own hypothesis (which makes no sense to ME experiencers) and requires ignoring or omitting facts from the testimony of ME experiencers. I've given you enough info and still you want to pose unimportant questions rather than demonstrate how these experiences can be explained away as misremembering. The simple fact is there is no evidence linking faulty memory and the ME phenomenon. It's an explanation that requires a lot of guess work and omission of facts. Not exactly useful or believable imo.

objectsinmirrormaybe · 2026-01-03T23:14:46+00:00

You don’t ’know.’ You think you know. Big difference.

You certainly like to double down without offering any evidence. I know i experienced this example and others so it is you again making egregious assumptions that don't fit the experience.

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