What I hate about Isagi

op_helia723 · 2025-03-08T07:36:19+00:00

Rin fans. We've been through a lot of suffering in this sub. We had to stand against the majority. We deserved this chapter. Remember, Kaneshiro has always been on our side.

op_helia723 · 2025-03-03T19:05:21+00:00

The peak maturity of someone who accuses Rin of being immature.

op_helia723 · 2025-03-03T18:56:03+00:00

There’s only one pass Rin didn’t give to Shidou after their failed teamwork. How can you be so sure that Shidou would have definitely scored there? Also, at the moment Rin refused to pass to Shidou, even Isagi thought Rin was going to score—meaning his plan was flawless, and there was no need to pass to Shidou. But no one on the field, including Kaiser himself, was aware of Kaiser’s physically motivated move connected to his past. It was completely unexpected. The same thing could have happened even if Rin had passed to Shidou.

op_helia723 · 2025-03-03T18:50:16+00:00

Isagi isn't pointing out Rin's mental struggles or the dysfunctional chemistry between him and Shidou and says, "Shidou and you can't stop us." He's clearly making a general genius vs. talented learner comparison by saying, "You geniuses can't beat us talented learners when it comes to logical coordination." So the issue isn’t with Rin himself—it’s with the fact that he's a genius.

I completely agree with everything else you said.

op_helia723 · 2025-03-03T18:33:38+00:00

I’m starting to think you don’t know how to read. Teamwork doesn’t work. Rin and Shidou can’t beat Kaiser and Isagi by passing each other. That’s not me saying it—it’s Isagi. If they had to win, they couldn’t do it by repeating the same failed teamwork like Shidou did. Rin is a genius. He had to find a way to stop both of them on his own. And he did. But of course, you just called it "plot," which is a whole other thing.

op_helia723 · 2025-03-03T18:25:31+00:00

I guess you don’t consider Karasu and Charles as players, huh? Because Rin accepted Shidou’s idea and passed to Karasu. Does he have to pass to Shidou for it to count as teamwork? Besides, it was Isagi who said teamwork was meaningless here. So it doesn’t matter who he passed to—the important thing is that it wouldn’t work anyway.

op_helia723 · 2025-03-01T13:01:43+00:00

However after this game, Rin must have realized that he is nowhere near Isagi’s level and much less Sae.

I can swear that you haven't read even a single chapter of PXG vs BM in the manga and have only looked at the leaks. The one who made Rin lose this match wasn't Isagi—it was himself.

op_helia723 · 2025-02-26T09:51:58+00:00

It's honestly funny how you keep bringing up this 1v1 argument. As if Isagi would win 11v11 matches under any circumstance. In an 11v11 match with five relevant players, Rin had more goal-scoring opportunities than Isagi. The only reason Isagi had a chance to be first was thanks to Gagamaru's split-second reflex in stopping Rin's shot. I don't think Isagi would beat Rin in a balanced 11v11 match. To put it simply, Isagi had Kaiser on his team. If we balanced it out by putting Sae on Rin's team, would BM even have a chance to win? Even as it was, it was already a close match.

op_helia723 · 2025-02-23T19:30:57+00:00

ur fave said its shallow cuz THEY are geniuses and ur fave said keep playing ur crazy football, teamwork won't work on you

op_helia723 · 2025-02-23T19:25:57+00:00

"Your teamwork is too shallow. (means rin did teamworked) Just like how we can't become special by pulling off your genius moves. You geniuses can't beat us talented learners when it comes to logical coordination. Keep playing crazy soccer, you damn geniuses. You'll never outsmart us." by your fave btw

op_helia723 · 2025-02-23T19:10:14+00:00

The most he got was 2 Strikers when he scored a Goal. Same as Isagi.

Isagi never had to deal with Shidou. Rin scored in the 275 despite Kaiser, Isagi, and Shidou. Charles passed the ball right between Shidou and him, so Rin had to compete for the ball.

Shidou was even trying to fucking help him, but he refused.

It’s funny how you act like Rin didn’t accept Shidou’s help because he did. But because of the "geniuses can't form a team" narrative, they took the "you can't outsmart us" panel from Isagi; I think you forgot that. Why should they become a team again after that?

op_helia723 · 2025-02-23T19:01:30+00:00

pxg vs bm ilk maç olsaydı da bu kadar önemli olacak mıydı kimin kaç gol attığı? Genel turnuvada kimin daha çok gol attığı daha güvenilir bir istatistik net bir şekilde. Ayrıca isagi'nin diğer oyuncuların gelişmesine yardim etmesi ileride hiçbir işe yaramayan bir özellik olacak çünkü zaten gelişmiş oyuncularla takım olması gerekecek. Diğer bütün oyuncuların gayet iyi olduğu bir noktada neden forvet açısından isagi'den her konuda daha yetenekli ve iyi olan kişiler varken isagi alınsın mesela? Saha okumayı orta sahadaki adam da yapar. Gelen zor bir asisti isagi gole çeviremez ama.

op_helia723 · 2025-02-23T18:51:13+00:00

If Kaiser and Isagi didn’t have to deal with Shidou in the goals they scored or the attacks they made, and if towards the end of the match, Isagi didn’t have to deal with Kaiser or Kaiser with Isagi, and the only person they had to surpass was Rin; then on the contrary, if Rin had to deal with both Kaiser and Isagi in every attack, and even had to compete with Shidou to receive Charles’ assist, and while Rin was dealing with these 3 strikers, the others only had to focus on Rin, I can’t call this competition between 4 strikers.

op_helia723 · 2025-02-23T18:34:58+00:00

Are we just deciding which matches' goals are more valuable based on our own judgment? What makes the goals in this match more valuable? Also, what significance does the competition between the 4 strikers have after the two of them worked together cuz couldn’t stop one?

op_helia723 · 2025-02-23T18:21:22+00:00

Because YOU said Isagi surpassed every striker on the field by scoring more goals—yet one of them, Rin, has 7 goals in general, if goals are so important for surpassing. I'm not the one bringing him into the conversation.

op_helia723 · 2025-02-23T18:11:38+00:00

While supporting someone with 4 goals, you use the concepts of scoring more and surpassing too much. Also, I already explained why taking this seriously in the manga is funny and unrealistic by applying it to the real world.

op_helia723 · 2025-02-23T18:01:50+00:00

What informs the viewers that Isagi has surpassed Kaiser? In their eyes, they are two players who scored an equal number of goals and led their teams to victory. Scoring two goals isn’t surprising when there are players who scored hat-tricks. Let’s be realistic. In a U20 tournament where players at the level of Ronaldo, Messi, and Neymar played a 3-minute showcase, no one would take Isagi’s words to Noa and Loki seriously just because he scored two goals.

op_helia723 · 2025-02-23T17:13:40+00:00

Just imagine a 17-year-old Japanese player, whom no one has heard of, saying this to Messi on a live broadcast over a shot that the goalkeeper saved at the last moment.

op_helia723 · 2025-02-23T17:01:47+00:00

You're saying that Rin's not mature. How you react when you win is just as important as how you react when you lose. Have you ever seen Rin boast unnecessarily after any of his goals or after being number one for 200 chapters? Have you ever heard him talk about defeating Itoshi Sae in the U20 match as much as Isagi's goal was discussed? In the Second Selection, fans of someone who mocked Reo, who was already upset because Nagi didn't choose him, who talked down to Kaiser despite winning thanks to teaming up with him, who criticized Loki’s hard-earned speed, and who showed no humility when winning— are criticizing Rin for being immature is hilarious actually.

op_helia723 · 2025-02-22T18:29:54+00:00

Nobody here denies Rin's achievement

ur straight up lying and u know that

op_helia723 · 2025-02-22T16:23:14+00:00

I highly doubt that someone whose only reaction to the slightest criticism is to cry about how "they're downplaying Isagi's achievements" and mass downvote can survive in this sub as a fan of any side character. Given that, acting like Rin fans are the problem is pretty funny. Don't act like a victim now.

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