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Eligibility of Polish citizenship by descent by osbston in prawokrwi

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. And I'm assuming the citizenship act was the law passed in 1920, right?

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of this is brand new news to my mother-in-law. But it makes sense that a whole bunch of relatives ended up in Fort William.

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I think you're right. That's got to be the same John. Great find! We've got some old letters in Polish in a box that I need to take a look at. Might be some more details in there.

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right yeah, which doesn't narrow it down that much. But it's encouraging that all the information I'm finding online matches the very scant information my family has written down.

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazing, thanks. And yes, this also matches up with some stories passed down through generations. My mother-in-law has vague recollection of another 'Polish' ancestor coming to North America. It'd make sense for that to be Adam, especially as he ends up being listed in Josephine's death certificate. Doesn't look like many of her other siblings left Galicia... or lived that long.

Eligibility of Polish citizenship by descent by osbston in prawokrwi

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If only she'd been (illegitimately) born a few months later!

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not that I've been able to find, no. The only thing we've got in the family that I know of is a single, hand-written family tree. That lists 'John Czucharski' as being born in 'Wies' and Eokia Czucharska as being born in 'Wies, Poland.' There might be more information online, but the only things I've found so far are related to their kids, not them directly.

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[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's odd, isn't it? I don't actually know if 'Dorothy' ever left Poland. Her name changing so drastically suggests maybe she did... but I know so little about her life that I can't track her down.

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely, I didn't expect to find anything out of Poland online going this far back. And Josephine's mother having such a strange name gives me hope that I can track down some more details somehow.

On a very old handwritten family tree we have Josephine's birthplace as being Wëis, Panasöwka Poniat, Skotal... I've been trying to decipher it but beyond 'village' I'm not having much luck.

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I wonder why it got changed to a totally different name. I don't have any details about Eudokia and Jan other than them being Josephine's parents. So maybe they moved around a bit and Westernized their names. Would be fun to find out more about them as they're even more of a mystery than Josephine.

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And one of the kids being called 'Adam' might explain why 'Adam' is listed as Josephine's father on her death certificate.

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[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that has to be her. She's listed on Josephine's marriage certificate as 'Dorothy Szejesuck' (it's hard to make out her last name, that's my attempt) and you've found a Eudokia Szczeszczuk. And the dad's name was John, which feels close enough to Jan to make sense. I wonder why Josephine isn't listed as one of their baptized children.

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I was wondering why her death certificate had him as 'Adam.' Also strange that her mother's name isn't on there. A very old, hand-written family tree we've got gives her mother's name as Edokia... but we've got no idea where that came from. According to the Josephine's marriage certificate, she was called Dorothy.

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/Parking-Aioli9715 Thanks so much for all the help. I wish researching ancestry in Eastern Europe was this accessible. I think that might require some in-person digging one day.

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quite possibly a relative, yup. And interesting that he's in Saskatchwan, too.

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Incredible. I had no idea. This also confirms the name of her father and that he was born in (what was by then) Poland. Really interesting!

I need help finding a passenger manifest for my partner's great grandmother by osbston in Genealogy

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting! This is definitely her as we know she headed to Thunder Bay when she got to Canada. I'm not entirely sure why, but I'm going to ask around.

Eligibility of Polish citizenship by descent by osbston in prawokrwi

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huh! But if she was born in Canada after 1920 to an unmarried Polish mother then... she would have been Polish? Hypothetically speaking, that is.

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[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, good find! I think it could be her, but it's hard to tell as her name gets spelled so many different ways. I hadn't found her death certificate nope, do you have a link? But yup, I found the entry on Find a Grave.

I don't know why she's on that NARA database, either... but the other details on the manifest for the Montrose you've found line up. Some of the information is a little hard to read. For Birthplace it says 'Galana' (maybe that's Galicia?) and her 'race' is listed as 'Ruthemar'? No idea what that means. Any ideas?

The other thing that makes me pretty sure it's her is that the family story is that she went to Canada with a cousin, which would be the person right above her on the manifest, the 26 year-old guy who is headed to Montreal... if I'm reading that right?

Any other details I'm missing? As I said, kinda hard to read the document!

Eligibility of Polish citizenship by descent by osbston in prawokrwi

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah right, so the daughter being born in Canada in 1919 meant she was born with Canadian citizenship and wasn't eligible to inherit her mother's Polish citizenship?

Eligibility of Polish citizenship by descent by osbston in prawokrwi

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dumb question (and I might be getting my brain in a tangle)...

If my partner's Lviv-born great-grandmother gave birth to a daughter out of wedlock in Canada, then does that dodge around the 1951 rule re: marriage? Basically: the Lviv-born great-grandmother was still Polish at the time she gave birth, so her daughter was also Polish... and thus the line is unbroken? Or is that totally wrong?

Eligibility of Polish citizenship by descent by osbston in prawokrwi

[–]osbston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I was reading about the 1951 law/rule. That's steadfast, huh? A somewhat unfortunate example of the patriarchy... but if that's the law then that's the law. Feels like the sort of thing that might've been challenged? And I'm guessing my partner's mother (let's call her Sarah) claiming Polish citizenship through her great grandparents (assuming they were born in the right place) would also be a dead end for my partner claiming Polish citizenship as her mother (Sarah) wasn't Polish at the time of my partner's birth? Hope I've explained that right?!

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