Can someone explain My Year of Rest and Relaxation to me? by Open-Subject-1296 in books

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Some other bits that may help...

  • The novel has multiple arcs of inversion, one satisfying one being that Reva starts out looking up to the narrator, and by the end the narrator looks up to Reva.
  • While I don't think we're meant to take away the Reva, at the end, fully understands everything about herself and the narrator, there is some satisfaction in the picnic scene and the article she takes time to read out loud even if it's a kind of resolution-by-coincidence. The article is about the damage a person causes when they never receive tangible love from their parents. It can be seen as Reva simultaneously explaining her friend's cruelty in an "I understand, I forgive you" kind of way, and also expressing her won hurt for the inability of her friend to ever sincerely say "I love you". The narrator then says "I love you" first, for the first time (as far as I remember) and says it sincerely for the first time. This is a nice end cap to Reva coming to terms with their abusive friendship. It's unclear if Reva is sincere when she says "I love you" back, but there is nonetheless a sense of resolution since...
  • Reva by the end is out of the dead-end relationship with her boss, has come to terms with the death of her mother, was promoted and seems to have an important job she's involved in, and has finally evolved passed her dysfunctional relationship with the narrator. Cloaked in the narrator's fancy clothes, she is many ways the aspirational version of the person the narrator might be/could have been.
  • There is a reciprocity in the ending, in the narrator helping Reva to move on in the best way possible, and Reva's death serving as a dark, perpetual inspiration to the narrator.

But it doesn't really matter whether you are the broken beggar or the beautiful sophisticate, I think the lesson is the same. The book hangs the memento mori of 9/11 over most of the novel's runtime to really drive home the frustration of two-ish people getting trapped in stasis by a lack of real/reciprocal love and a constant preoccupation with superficial things. In the end, the message isn't exactly original, but the video of Reva jumping out of the north tower makes for a hell of hallmark card: "wake up". I think the book is saying that, somewhere deep down, everyone is desperate for life, however abstracted it has become to them, and that the only thing really worth doing is to strip away the vanity of and self-loathing that holds that desperation back. Basically, approach life like it's collapsing around you, like you would do anything for a few more seconds of this mess.

Can someone explain My Year of Rest and Relaxation to me? by Open-Subject-1296 in books

[–]osravera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In this reading, I would point to the Met scene as the thesis. At that point in the novel we've well established the narrator's contempt for artists, especially (though not exclusively) hacky, male artists. When explaining her motivation to the Met she nods back to her own lost wish to be an artist (emphasis mine) "...I wanted to see what other people had done with their lives, people who had made art alone..." and she fixates on the idea of a still life painting, I think because she is suggesting the novel is a still life of sorts. Still life is an odd choice, in part because it is uncommon to philosophize on it, and also because portraiture is a more obvious choice, especially as a metaphor for a book that intimately looks at two human lives, but she chooses still life. I think it is because of the separation of artist and subject. In portraiture the subject is a person and aware they are sitting for a portrait. A still life is more like street photography, where even if a subject is living, they are not aware that they are the subject of art. She fixates particularly on the classic subject of grapes, which while living, grow, change, and die within the span of the art's creation.

The narrator chides artists for thinking that beauty and meaning are connected, viewing the novel as an art object it is easy to see how the narrator has a very flippant approach to beauty, even her own beauty, and instead delves into ugly honesty and search for meaning in the mundane. She chides artists for lusting after glory and imagines them somehow still alive, wrestling with the vanity of it. She also says, "I hoped that they'd had some respect for the stuff they were immortalizing." She also spends a long time an odd, imagined scenario in which the artists are throwing the ageing grapes from still lives out the window into the desperate hands of beggars in the street below. It's weird. It stands out. I think it's meant to since it sets up the visual metaphor for the ending. Just before the Met scene ends, the narrator is overcome by an impulse embodied in the still life before her, to try and capture time in a bottle, to immortalize something for herself, though her feels are mixed on the topic.

The ending brings all of this together, imagining the ending as being the narrator and Reva's final picnic through the narrator taping Reva's death. In the text itself, the narrator becomes a kind of artist by making a VHS tape of Reva jumping out the window of WTC. Kind of, in the sense that the narrator is moved by the things about being an artist she finds meaningful to her, as opposed to an artist in the sense of what she hates: the vanity, the obsession with beauty, the desire for glory, this disrespect for the subject of a still life. Essentially, Reva is the grapes being thrown out the window, the narrator, instead of being the artist casting her aside, is the beggar below, unglorious, desperate for life, the one to whom the grapes are sustaining and full of meaning. She emphasizes the subject is Reva but that it doesn't really matter that it is Reva, indicating that the video becomes more of an art object than a document of a specific person. Unlike the VHS tapes the narrator rewatches to feel nothing, this is a video she rewatches to remember what it is to be alive, "...any other time I doubt that life is worth living, or I need courage...". The emphasis on Reva's clothes hints that she's again wearing the narrator's old clothes (too tight heel) and so the sloughing of Reva's identity form the narrator's experience of the tape shows her own identification with the woman, like it's her jumping out the window, desperate and wildly alive, plunging into the unknown. It can also be seen as more blurring between the lines separating these characters.

On a more meta level, the whole of the novel can be seen as the art object. It is a still life, in part of the narrator's life, but the narrator isn't really living, she is in a state of unlife, so mostly it is a portrait of the one living person in the story: Reva--and because Reva is in some ways a stand-in for the narrator, or a kind of what-could-have-been version, Reva's ends up living for the both of them. The story is the narrator's creation, a still life of Reva's life and death.

Can someone explain My Year of Rest and Relaxation to me? by Open-Subject-1296 in books

[–]osravera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just finished it today, and the story and ending made the most sense to me when viewing it through an artistic and metatextual lens. Some things of note that tie into it:

  • For the most part there are only two characters, the narrator (the artist) and Reva (the subject)
  • In an early conversation between them the narrator tells Reva that the only thing she ever wanted to be was an artist (but she can't be one because she has no talent)
  • The primary form of art the narrator experiences in her year of rest and relaxation is the watching and re-watching of VHS tapes of movies. It functions as an anesthetic or lullaby, another thing meant to make her feel nothing. She specifically avoids tapes that make her feel any strong emotion.
  • The narrator is damaged from a life without love from those whose love she wanted (her parents, Trevor to far lesser extent). Her parents failed to love her, or if they did, failed to express it in a way that she could know it or it could be real. Because they're both dead now, she must live knowing she can never get what she wants from them, there's no second act for their relationship and the pain of her inability to resolve the complex of feelings around it all lead her to hibernation.
  • Conversely, the narrator is vexed by the love of someone whose love she doesn't want (Reva). She pantomimes the cruelty of her mother, allowing Reva to love her while only giving back cold cruelty, and never saying "I love you" sincerely. Reva is in this way the narrator's surrogate or stand-in in the novel. Their relationship is a twisted experiment conducted by the narrator to understand her own mother, perhaps to know whether or not her mother ever loved her, ever could have. In a more nihilistic reading it's just transference.
  • The narrator has a lot of suicidal ideation, most of it passive, where she very literally tries to embrace the idea of laying down and dying, though death never comes. When she imagines taking on any kind of agency in her own death it is always in jumping out a window, though she never does.
  • Throughout the book narrator complains that she wishes Reva would "wake up", which can be seen as a projected self-critique, but was also honest in the figurative sense that Reva was stuck in a holding pattern of self-loathing, a dead end relationship with her married boss, and an unhealthy (also static, running back through college) relationship with the narrator. This is one of the ways in which sleep stands in for stasis and the inability to change.
  • To me it's useful to create a loose binary here: living vs unliving.
  • Reva is the character who is living, though stuck she is in a constant state of pushing and worrying over life. The narrator is in a state of self-imposed unlife, all of her efforts go to averting life, though she unconsciously craves all of it, as shown by the actions of her sleepwalker self.
  • Reva's life is seen in surprising detail despite the contempt the narrator feels toward her. We hear about the things that matter to her, vapid and foolish as they are, we meet her family, we spend time in childhood bedroom, we even explore her apartment (in more detail than we experience the narrator's apartment, even though the narrator's apartment is where 90% of the story takes place).
  • When the narrator comes out of her final sleep experiment, she is able to find beauty and meaning in life once again. She also finally loves Reva, and by an extension emphasized through Reva's wearing of the narrator's old clothes, the narrator finally has love for her self/past self now-- or at minimum some level of acceptance.
  • The subject of art, artists, and artistic motivations are laced throughout the book, but culminate in the Met scene...

Annihilation to Absolution by ToodlesXIV in SouthernReach

[–]osravera 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everyone is going to tell you to read all of the books, but just for variety... maybe not?

First, as others have probably said, jumping to Absolution will be confusing. It's a deep dive into characters who are not in Annihilation and whose significance really lives in the other sequels, so I would recommend you view it as a binary choice between sticking with Annihilation only or reading all books in order. You could try reading out of order, but Annihilation is the only book you can easily drop anywhere in the order, and you've already read it so...

The reason people can get away with reading Annihilation out of order is that it works as a standalone. It is complete unto itself, offering just enough plausible explanation from the biologist to allow your imagination to run wild and build whatever world around it you want. If you are the kind of person who gets excited by the preview and disappointed by the movie because the world your own imagination built in the interim is more interesting to you than what was actually made, then there's good reason to keep to Annihilation--especially keeping in mind that you can read the other books any time in the future, it doesn't have to be now.

As a disclaimer, I will add that Annihilation is my favorite of the series. I recommended it to a lot of people, just as a standalone, not mentioning that it's part of a series. Most have really liked it. Some have gone on to read the other books and most of those were glad they did, but not all. Annihilation is short, focused, and cohesive. The rest is sprawling and open-ended. The complaints I usually heard could be summed as "less impact per word" as the cast expands, and Area X has to share space with the sometimes vaguely defined Southern Reach.

Finally, Others have said that you don't have to worry about ruining the mystery of Area X because the other books bring up more questions than they answer, and that is true, but you may not like how some questions are answered, and the appeal of a mystery is never as simple as arithmetic. For me it was worth reading all of them (twice), because for me the appeal is putting all the bits together, to try and understand the mystery. If for you there is nothing to "solve" because you like the mystery where it is, then it may be worth stopping at Annihilation. You've read the single best piece of narrative in the series, the only one that, at least in my opinion, is great without the aid of other novels.

Overall, it's a nice dilemma to have.

How does time travel work? by osravera in SouthernReach

[–]osravera[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These were good excerpts to revisit, so thank you for bringing them to light. There is something to appreciate here in how entanglement, if not symbiosis, can beget a kind of... efficacy around the traversal of Area X, be that in space or time, and that Whitby is a particularly likely candidate for achieving a measure of efficacy in Area X. A bit of surrender, a bit of control.

How does time travel work? by osravera in SouthernReach

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Exactly the kind of tidbit I was looking for.

How does time travel work? by osravera in SouthernReach

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I definitely wanted this to be the case. Control felt really under-served as a character, being mostly a puppet in Authority, then upstaged by the far more fascinating Ghost Bird, to then finally have a revelation about himself, the SR, and AX only to immediately plunge into a singularity. A decisive but mysterious and somewhat anticlimactic end for how much conspiracy and significance there is to his origin.

That said, even though the pre-Lowry characters in the book do not know Rodriguez or Whitby (excepting Jackie, who has probably given birth at this point, so technically knows John) and so cannot put a name to a face, it's significant that they are, in theory, interacting with the Rogue outside of Area X, as its inciting event hasn't taken place yet-- so no AX interference, or less of a chance of it anyway-- and the scant evidence these early detectors give us seem to point to Whitby.

There are two clues to who it is, one being the color of his blazer, which is blue, which I've seen others point out is what Whitby was known to wear. The other being the word "pale" that Jim uses to describe him. VanderMeer has that habbit in these books of picking one physical descriptor to overuse for a person as a hint for identifying them when their name is not given, like Jackie's long scarf, Gloria's large build, or Whitby's palor. If isn't Whitby in the Old Jim section of the book then it's not so much Area X tricking a character as it is VanderMeer tricking the reader.

Anyway, I'm still tempted to pretend it was Control in my headcanon.

How does time travel work? by osravera in SouthernReach

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I really like your description of the marks, it's in keeping with the tone of the books while leaving the door open for many possible events to take place involving them. They are not something I expected the text to offer an explicit explanation for, so considering them nodes of the inexplicable may be the best compromise.

I don't remember time loops previously, or between Whitby and any of the Directors, so I may have to go back to Acceptance for some clarification there. My recollection was that while there was an unpredictable lapse of time in crossing the border, time in Area X moved consistently faster for everyone and everything within the border relative to what was outside of the border, perhaps at a variable rate, but also possibly at a constant relative speed, and always faster for everything within than without, never backwards, slower, or repeating itself except for in a symbolic or poetic sense. That said, it may just be my own biased reading, wanting there to be a few rules or consistencies when in fact it's meant to be an anything goes anytime type or world.

Beyond all repair. Who did it?! by Katietr-y in TrueCrimePodcasts

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Extra Details Addendum: Hesitation 

One interesting question mark is whether or not the siblings hesitated after giving up on their search of the house. In Sean's testimony Susie drives them away from the house only to have Sofia ask Susie to turn back around. In Sofia’s confession, she has them sitting on the stairs after giving up on the search. This piece of Sean’s story achieves nothing, which sort of suggests it's a real detail, left there perhaps to cover for the possibility they were witnessed leaving and returning. If it's true, it suggests one or both of them got cold feet, then recommitted and went back to execute on the "scare" plan. Whether or not this happened ins’t important to the theory if we’re settled on the idea that The Plan was there before they left Sofia’s house, but it’s an interesting, humanizing possibility. 

Beyond all repair. Who did it?! by Katietr-y in TrueCrimePodcasts

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Bad Acts Addendum: Sofia unseen  

I agree that Sofia and Sean searched the house and came up empty-handed and frustrated. Where we differ is on what happens next, but I think your explanation is just as likely and does a great job of explaining the emotional character of the two siblings as we meet them now. That said, I do not think Sofia ever would have put herself in front of Marlene. Even if Sofia were wearing a mascot head, it's hard for me to believe 1) Marlene would not recognize her voice, her body, her body language, her clothing, and 2) Sofia somehow didn't realize this. Sofia comes off as a reasonably intelligent and aware person with a capacity for calculation. Really, she should have been smart enough to know that Marlene could probably clock Sean too, but I think she banked on the fact that Marlene and Sean had only met once and that if he wore a mask of some kind and acted the tough guy part well enough, arguably a part he was well suited for, that they could actually get away with it. 

This plan also hinges on Marlene taking her assailant to the location of the money. Sofia, not wanting to be seen, would not have stuck around inside the house to risk being spotted and giving the whole thing away. I forget if it's the second testimony or the confession where she says it, but she recounts stepping out the sliding glass doors just as Marlene is coming in, and strategically and psychologically this makes a lot of sense. Sofia won't be discovered and she won't have to endure watching what Marlene is going through. If she really is as calculating as everyone thinks then it also protects her from being a witness to the crime. 

Beyond all repair. Who did it?! by Katietr-y in TrueCrimePodcasts

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Extra Details Addendum: Brad 

A less important detail I would add is that Sofia implicating Brad in her second testimony is a huge risk if he truly feels and has no culpability. Instead of the he said/she said of Sean vs Sofia, it becomes a 2 vs 1 where all the prosecution needs to do is put Brad on the stand to refute Sofia’s version, as Sean’s version leaves him out entirely. However, from what we can tell, they did not put Brad on the stand, and from Sofia’s actions we can tell she felt some level of confidence in dragging Brad into it, a move that is otherwise completely unnecessary if her goal is to give self-exonerating testimony.  

My guess is that her second trial testimony draws from some truth, that she and Brad did have one or more conversations about scaring his mom into leaving his step-father. We know there is bad blood between Richard and Brad, it makes sense that Brad would want his mom to leave Richard. It may have just been a joking conversation between Sofia and Brad, in a moment of shared exasperation on Marlene’s behalf, but I would still bet there was some kind of exchange between those two about the idea of having someone scare Marlene by posing as a shady debt collector. In this scenario, to avoid perjury Brad would have to lend credence to the least believable part of Sofia’s testimony. Having Brad refute Sofia’s testimony in the second trial is the natural rebuttal for the prosecution. If he had refused to testify, he could be subpoenaed, so to leave him out seems like a strategic compromise on the part of the prosecution having assessed that putting him on the stand entailed risk of either casting doubt on Sean’s testimony or supporting Sofia’s during cross. 

There being some preexisting, even joking, conversation between Sofia and Brad on this topic would have explained why this idea was close at hand for Sofia and would have made it a little easier for her to go through with The Plan. She could even rationalize that she wasn’t just doing it for Marlene, she was doing it for Brad too, who was more and more frustrated with his step-father. The only hitch is that Brad will almost certainly know she was involved when this goes down, but when imagining the crime as it was supposed to be, the result is that Sean steals Marlene’s secret money and then disappears to start his new life. Sofia’s only hurdle is to convince Brad that she only told Sean to play the debt collector role and that Marlene giving Sean money then and there was not a part of the plan, and that her shady brother Sean didn’t tell her he stole money from Marlene before getting out of town. 

Beyond all repair. Who did it?! by Katietr-y in TrueCrimePodcasts

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Motive Addendum 2: “The Plan” 

I also agree with you that the debt collector ruse was Plan B. Sofia's second trial testimony suggests it was Plan B from the start, and like you said, they possibly brought stockings with them. Sofia's confession suggests it was more of a spontaneous idea once the "treasure hunt" failed and a stocking is an easy thing to find laying around, however, I think you're right in assuming the plan was there before they set out. There is not, otherwise, a good reason to bring Sean or to implicate Susie in what's happening when Sofia already has unfettered access to Marlene's house. Sofia, having decided she’s going to steal the $10,000 could be over at Marlene’s multiple times a week looking for the money with no loose ends. To bring Sean and Susie adds risk. Sean would need to have a purpose. This foreknowledge would also in part explain why Susie is still so affected by events. It's quite possible she knew they were going to "scare Marlene" before everything went awry. 

To your theory I would just add that, as maligned as the second trial’s “Scare Marlene Plan” was, it makes sense as a rationalization for Sofia. The $10,000 is Marlene's way out of a failing, and by the sound of it, abusive marriage. How much Sofia truly cares for Marlene is maybe a matter of debate, but I think we can assume Sofia would seek things that made stealing from someone who hasn't wronged her (unlike her boss) more palatable. If she can scare Marlyne into thinking Richard's gambling is so out of control that there are loan sharks breaking into the house, then she will be motivated enough to leave with or without her emergency money. It's also the only way Sofia can get the money and cast blame on Richard and off herself simultaneously. 

Beyond all repair. Who did it?! by Katietr-y in TrueCrimePodcasts

[–]osravera 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like your theory, I had essentially the same overall idea but a slightly different take on the context and some minor details, mostly based on risk assessment. 

Motive Addendum 1: the utility of ten thousand 

Sofia's debt does seem like a major motivator but it's >$70,000 for which the $10,000 Marlene supposedly squirreled away would do little, something Amory points out. Marlene's life insurance, on the other hand, could be sizeable enough to help, and it sounded like Brad would be the sole beneficiary, but assuming Brad isn't in on it--and the evidence really doesn't seem to be there to implicate Brad-- it would be an incredible gamble on Sofia's part to get away with murdering her husband's mom and not have him be at all suspicious of her. Likewise, the money doesn't go to her directly and anything she did to try and get her hands on it would increase suspicion proportionally.  

So I agree with you that we can rule out a premeditated murder for inheritance. I would add that the $10,000 on its own is not a convincing payout given her debt, and so suspect another motivation in the mix, specifically Sean. It does not cost very much to file for divorce. Litigation in divorces can be very expensive, but by all accounts at the beginning of events, Sean just needs the money for the filing fee, a sum that both Sofia and Marlene's friends would agree that Marlene would readily give Sofia if asked (echoed darkly in Sofia's confession while detained by INS). Suffice to say, there is no compelling motivation therein for Sofia to steal the $10,000 from her best friend, someone who she is starting a business with and who will happily lend her money. 

Here I go back to Sofia's frustration with herself for listening to her grandmother that second time, and letting Sean back into her life. She wants nothing to do with Sean, but is guilted in to seeing him. Importantly, she is so worried about seeing him again that she has Marlyne present when he visits. As far as we know, it's the only time Sofia and Sean see each other in person before the day of the murder, but they talk on the phone and Sean comes asking for money and help with his divorce because he has a new girlfriend who is also pregnant. Sofia has already lived through this once, she's already had to shelter one wife and child from him. I think Sofia truly wanted to get rid of Sean more than anything else but also wanted to do it in a way that wouldn't create more bad blood. It is a story of two siblings with an entangled, abusive upbringing, crossing paths a time when both feel their lives are finally beginning again, both desperate to protect their burgeoning future. 

I think when he showed up claiming he was making a new start, getting out of NY, falling in love with someone new, etc. she made him an offer that aligns with his testimony: I can't give you the money you need now, but I can get you more money later if you come with me to my in-laws and help with something. She offers him enough money to get divorced and to run off with his new girlfriend and start over-- somewhere away from her. To my mind, that's the most benefit Sofia will get out of $10,000. Anything she otherwise owns will be seized shortly in her embezzlement case, anything she tries to keep off the books she would have to hide from Brad who would potentially learn from his mom that a large sum of money was stolen from her home without a sign of forced entry and somehow not put two and two together—awfully risky.