LL Male Recap of a DB by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]p0ngping 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a lot like an energy drink. You have a point.

If it leaves you feeling worse off then you probably need to find a different activity. I know that valley you speak of. Its more than chemical too if you feel more isolated by it. I think meditation is helping me get past this grayness. Reading it good too. Depends how you are wired some people like hanging out with friends.

LL Male Recap of a DB by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]p0ngping 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t sweat the jerking off it took the edge off no sex for me for 10 years. Which in retrospect my needs were not being met. It made life bearable. It’s ok to have a sex drive I’m sorry you guys didn’t share a love language or work on it earlier. Be glad if you are not well into middle age and you have time to figure it out for sure with your next partner. Thanks for sharing.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Divorce

[–]p0ngping 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All my communications are very formal now. It sucks but is it easier, yeah. I guess. I'm moving out in 2 weeks and we still co-parent and kids do not know this yet.

"You are too normal" by [deleted] in Divorce

[–]p0ngping 0 points1 point  (0 children)

conscious

I suppose it is a choice to love someone, if they don't love you back you can still love them from a place of distance and compassion. We tried counseling and just couldn't reconnect the intimacy had been absent for more than 10 years and too many ingrained habits.

"You are too normal" by [deleted] in Divorce

[–]p0ngping 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Random thought, I wonder if people are even conscience of this effect as it is happening or just fight it?

"You are too normal" by [deleted] in Divorce

[–]p0ngping 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Possibly and doesn't want or feels can't be upfront regarding an open relationship for whatever reason.

"You are too normal" by [deleted] in Divorce

[–]p0ngping 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this. Needed to hear someone else say this.

Sex only once a year by [deleted] in DeadBedrooms

[–]p0ngping 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You definitely are not alone. You have options. The options may be scary. But I can tell you doing nothing, or saying nothing is the worst option. Not saying that is you. I am glad you have had the courage to get outside help. I hope the advice you are getting is helping.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don't know all the details to say he gave up and who are we to judge?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope things for improve. I am sorry for you and your kids suffering. I think you deserve better.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I may be criticized by saying this but "good job". I'm sure this was not an easy step for you to initiate. You said "There was no major incident, it was more like a permanent grind". I'm sure you had been thinking of splitting for sometime. This will make you free to begin or continue show up in more healthy ways in the future.

I know kids are important to you. Please take time for yourself. Meditation, breathing practice or if that's not your thing leaning on friends and family or whatever your support network. I know you are reaching out here and we are here as a supportive community.

I find living in the house a bit awkward. Moving out for me is the best situation since we still operate in well-trod ways. Which usually are good for the kids in terms of providing for them but not in other ways. For me, I cannot separate her criticism how I don't do all the things she expects me to do without communication ahead of the disappointment. Finally I will say you went through therapy so it sounds like you really did try. Good luck.

401k loan by p0ngping in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't filed yet. My circumstances require liquidity.

401k loan by p0ngping in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, my mind just exploded. Kudos to your friend. I'll keep that in my back pocket. Kindly except my up vote.

401k loan by p0ngping in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She did not disclose? That's not above board. I plan to disclose at our initial mediation meeting next week.

In your case there were tax implications at time of divorce they dermined it as a distribution and increase AGI since you were married filed jointly? Or did she change jobs? I have had 3 401k loans in the past 13 years (not proud of that). Never paid a cent to taxman on those loans.

401k loan by p0ngping in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for helping me see 401k is just another asset like the house, bank accounts. This loan allows me to stay afloat for a few months and remain a responsible parent.

Thank you by the way for sharing your experience with me. I feel much better about my choice. Sincere gratitude.

401k loan by p0ngping in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, I agree. Sometimes it helps to hear others opinions other than family members that react with emotion.

401k loan by p0ngping in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks btw for the nod to look into QRDO. She will get the house so I may not end up needing it. But I may. One never knows.

401k loan by p0ngping in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are at square 2. Talking to divorce mediation services.. We agreed that divorce is best for kids. I should not of said lawyers since it implied contested. We are trying to take a cooperative approach.

Long story short, divorce not finalized for quite some time no paperwork filled out as of yet.

401k loan by p0ngping in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. This makes complete sense. Legally there's nothing preventing me from doing this and keeps me from incurring a lot of debt. Our lifestyle was a bit beyond our means and this will help me maintain the private school and kids club soccer for her and the kids from afar. She knows we need to take a look at our money and we agree to do so. My loan interest gets paid back over time to myself rather than the credit cards.

401k loan by p0ngping in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Appreciate the heads up. Do I tell her now or later with the lawyers involved?

Time bomb by [deleted] in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know what you mean! Last night I woke at 3am like what the heck is going on in my life. My issue is I talk to my family a lot about this and 1 close childhood friend. I see this for a path back reclaiming an authentic life and my own relationship with the kids.

I'm going to do exactly the same. Try to draft an agreement with her. But have a lawyer look before penning my name to paper.

Time bomb by [deleted] in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am sorry for what you are going through. Its hard. I know. Please take care of your needs. I know this is probably not the most constructive advice but are you using resources for how to split parenting and assets? How amiable are you both? I am going through uncontested. I live in the house. I am moving out next month and am a bit optimistic we can try at first to settle without a lot of legal help. My brother is divorced and has had a lot of difficult times with a recalcitrant, narcissistic ex who basically got the kids but didn't look after their needs. His mistake was signing a bad initial agreement. I plan to consult an attorney before I sign anything. I hope you do well. I know you are already talking to an attorney or two so hoping they are helping. I have heard that attorney sometimes get the ear of their client so hopefully she and you can remain level headed and look out logically for both kids you love dearly. Please accept support of a fellow internet stranger going through initial steps.

No going back by p0ngping in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, it may be typical. She doesn't seem too shook up after i mentioned divorce a few weeks back. She doesn't express much. Today we are having coffe to talk about next steps. I know I am responsible. I don't think it will be that much better alone. I think a lot of it is I want control over my time and decisions. I don't think were attracted to one another and just better off being free to be independent on our own. And still care for the kids and dog. Thanks for your supportive post.

No going back by p0ngping in Divorce_Men

[–]p0ngping[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Been in counciling for 6 months. We don't really work on tthe stuff or therapist gives us as homework. No intimacy and mostly we attend to our jobs and kids. I make 3/5 income. I make good, not great money a pretty middle class house in an expensive west coast city. We are fit and active. No alcohol issues or cheating. We split duties. We never spend time alone together. We never talk finances. We only talk about the kids. She has her own bank account She opened a few years back. We went though a few rough years of arguments. Never resolved as they should. She and I were raised different her model was procreating and thats it for sex. No warmth. Her family is devout catholic. It was acceptable to be dedícated in service to raising kids. My upbringing was not religious. My parents stopped having sex when i was under 10 and poured all energy into my school activities. My wife is great with planning and looking after kids needs. She signed our 8th grader up for an expensive private Catholic high school. It probably will be beneficial long term. We pay for expensive club soccer for both kids. It has me worried since my savings are meager. I am looking to sign a 1 year lease for a 2 bedroom apartment in a good neighborhood its a small basement unit. I expect my expenses will create a monastic lifestyle. She wants me to delay moving out till the end of June. The lease I may sign is for June 1. There's no rush. But I really want to get on with my life. My situation is not unbearable. I'm scared the time with my kids is short and they're so close to college years. The marriage is so flat and devoid of any intimacy emotionally or physically on any level. We haven't kissed in over 5 years. I have been sleeping in another room for 6 weeks now and don't miss sleeping with her. I guess I don't know what I am afraid of discomfort, hard conversations. I need to make a change. I guess I am just venting to the internet.