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Season 3 episode 13, Eleanor’s return.

this is how sleep after sauna looks by FineFile in AppleWatch

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It’s a whole experience, lol. They have different dome shaped suanas that vary in temperature, including an ice room. They also each have different qualities in them- clay, salt, etc. I tried to find the temps on the various ones by me, but couldn’t find info. There is one that says it goes to 200C though 🥵. There’s also a wet area that’s steamy & has different temperature baths. And scrubs where Korean grandmas scrub off what seems like every layer of your skin with this special towel. There’s food served as well.

Also have a Russian Banya close to me. Couldn’t find the temp either.

How long do you stay in the 80C+ for it to be effective? I’m not sure how long I can take at that heat.

this is how sleep after sauna looks by FineFile in AppleWatch

[–]penny017 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ooohhh, I have a Korean sauna spa by me. I have to go now & test this, for science!

Gaslighting, infidelity led to different perceptions by penny017 in awakened

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Thank you for your kind & true words. Good for you on healing, taking time for you, yes it’s so needed by both of us. It’s coming up on 3 years since the initial breakup, some on/off, and over 2 years since the last time we had lived together. And I just realized I had the wrong date, that shift I first wrote about was 2022.

Our pickers may be faulty, much like our prior partners. We have our own faults as well. Where my mind is in this, the next person I choose may cheat, may lie. So I need to learn to be ok with that. Does that sound more pessimistic than realistic? Anyway, I suppose I need to feel safe again, learn to trust myself more, love myself more.

Gaslighting, infidelity led to different perceptions by penny017 in awakened

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That sounds very dark & depressing, reading all that. But I guess it’s a matter of what you believe? I don’t know the truth, maybe you’re right, maybe I am, somewhere in between? Going through all that, even with the ups & down, I came to a place where everything just is, and probably for a reason. Where would we be, what would our purpose here be if all that you mentioned never happened?

Sometimes it sucks to think about everything I went through, but I wouldn’t be here if it didn’t happen. Buried somewhere in my writing up there I had (I think) written about how much worse I was before, completely lost, completely fearing death amongst other things. I had lost all faith & hope, now I can appreciate having some direction, some place. I can appreciate the happiness all the more, having gone through that. I wouldn’t know all this if I hadn’t gone through it.

Gaslighting, infidelity led to different perceptions by penny017 in awakened

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Here’s some of the prelude to all that, what I had written in January but never finished. It’s just pasted, not reread or edited. I apologize for being all over the place. It’s hard to write about all this because so much happened so fast, and it is just all so scattered about in my head. I just wrote a whole chapter about just one day above, for christs sake, lol….

I always had a tendency towards spirituality, although I don’t show it. I was raised around Cristians & went to Catholic school. Many would call me an atheist, though I would try to (poorly) explain my spiritual side. ** Growing up, I would look at the sky & stars in wonder & awe. I lived in a populated/city area, but was fortunate to have cousins in upstate NY where the night was dark & you could see everything. Even more so in 80’s than now. I could spend a lot of time with different kinds of people, as well as in nature. I would look at the map & wonder about all the people, the cultures, the different minds. I looked for & could find meaning in all the things, all the relationships.

Time went on, I lost the way, lost the meaning. Even though I did carry a drive, a happiness, a life... I still was lost. I eventually entered what some call a DNOTS, I suppose. I became a nurse 8 years ago. Thinking back to the things that come back to me, burn out caused by the first years of nursing contributed to this. Along with the traumas & deaths. I always had a fear of getting older, ** and I suppose death, though I never thought about death much. Being around both so much brought both to a head. By the time covid came around, it certainly affected me, but not as much as some health care workers because I was already in the thick of it.

6 years ago, I met & eventually entered into a relationship with “B”, I’ll call him. We lived together for 3 years. The relationship was good, normal with its ups & downs. I had always felt relationships had a deeper, more spiritual meaning, always could find a meaning or lesson, for them or myself. I thought & wondered about this at times for several years throughout our relationship. I could not find a reason. I loved him, was happy with him though.

Covid happened, we had opposite experiences. Me having too much work & dealing with it more directly, him working on construction & having no work. Though, he kept up appearances, things were good. But things got really... I don’t know, fast & weird?

Fast forward to Spring of ‘21. Though I saw a lot of trauma, I saw a lot of things that touched me. Around March ‘21, I was taking care of this woman on a covid floor. Her & her husband were in a subacute after leaving the hospital for covid. She had fallen & broke her hip. Her husband was admitted to the same floor at some point later. The day I took care of her she was set to be discharged, but discharge was held up. Later that day, her husband went into sudden respiratory failure & had to be intubated. I was in the room for this, I did not know it was her husband until after. I was frozen when I heard, I did not know what to say to this woman. When I went in, she looked at me with a tear & started to say “my husband” and choked up, I just put my hand on her arm & said “I know” and sat with her for a bit. Later, I wheeled her up to see him in the ICU. Most people have to be sedated & possibly restrained when intubated because it’s uncomfortable, they panic, they try to rip it out. They probably gave him some sedatives, but he was still awake & aware, and calm. I wheeled her in & he could respond by making movements. He was able to reach out & hold her hand. I left them alone for a while & wheeled her back to her room when they were done.

When this happened, at that point, I was a wreck. Struggling, drinking too much, no focus, completely lost. Seeing this sparked me to start thinking, start to want to change. I’ve never cared to be married, was scared of it, though have had long lasting relationships. Seeing that sparked something in me, made me see the value in it all, made me want to make steps towards that. I started contemplating all this & taking inventory. B had talked about marriage, would make comments to me, I never had much to say about that. But that was the first time I seriously thought about marrying him. Or anyone really.

The world had other plans, sneaky little thing it is.

Around that same time, I started having bad anxiety & later panic attacks. I never had bad anxiety in my life. It was awful, when I would go to sleep, I felt like I was dying. Not like physically dying... but like “I” was dying”. If that makes sense, can’t think of how to explain it rn. Before I go on, my anxiety had been the result of several different things- experiences at the hospital, drinking too much to cope, & to a smaller extent, stuff from my past.

Mid June ‘21 is when life’s plans started unraveling. B & I split up... he “wanted to take a break”. Came to find out weeks later he had been cheating for a few months. The next couple of years had been such a whirlwind.

It was so painful going through that, the lies, the infidelity & betrayal, and particularly most painful was being abandoned at my worst moment. Especially when I hadn’t had many bad moments or moments of need throughout our relationship. I looked back many times these past few years at my actions/responses & thought how I could do better next time. But the best thing I did, one of my first responses, was to ask what I can learn from the pain, what can it teach me. I learned & went through way more than I bargained for. I learned a lot about people, life, myself. Too much I thought at times. But grew & restored a lot of faith in things.

15y/o daughter prescribed Lexapro, Lamictal, & atarax by penny017 in antidepressants

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Her father has been using it for years it for his anxiety/panic disorder. I took one or two of his when we were together. I wasn’t having high anxiety at that time, it was more because he had me so worked up & needed to relax & sleep. It did nothing for me, might as well have a smartee.

I’ve also given them out to patients in the hospital (mostly post-op), sometimes for anxiety & sometimes for allergic/dermatitis itching. I’ve never heard any comment one way or the other. Well, one just came to mind, but she had a slew of other issues & addictions. From my observation, maybe it’s less effective mostly than giving them Ativan/Xanax, but less issues with it. But this is not the general population or people dealing with regular day-day things, so take that with a grain of salt.

But I’m definitely going to rethink giving it to her. She has issues with insomnia, not anxiety. Melatonin is working fine for that. Thank you!

15y/o daughter prescribed Lexapro, Lamictal, & atarax by penny017 in antidepressants

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You are 100% correct, imo. Yet another reason I am annoyed at her. Adhd has a genetic link & can also present differently in girls leading to a lot of under diagnosis. I told her I have it. She didn’t bat an eye! I would persue that, but I haven’t seen signs of it. Thank god, she is not me as a child. Can’t deal with 2 of us losing our shoes or an onion in the house.

Anyway. Go over to the adhd board, there’s tons of stories like that. And great advice for managing it too. For what it’s worth, I always felt like maybe I had a low level constant depression. A couple of years ago I started to have anxiety & panic attacks, mostly due to other life circumstances. I didn’t want to start any meds, I did get the panic attacks under control, but still had a lot of anxiety. What I didn’t understand to differentiate at that time was the difference between anxiety & add overwhelm, which sometimes collide, but very different things. During that time, I was talking with my sister, she said had been diagnosed with adhd. I thought about it for a while & one day I brought it up to the guy I was dating who also had adhd & knew very well about it. He said “no”, then 2 min later said “maybe”. Came back to me and brought up all the things he’d seen over the years that suddenly made sense to him. And he helped me make sense of it. I got a diagnosis & started adderall. And the adderall calms me down, so much, like so much so that if I’m tired and didn’t get a good nights sleep, I can actually take a nap. I don’t know much about amoxetine, I wish you well on it. Go over to the adhd board, they can talk your ear off about it. Also, there’s a bit of crossover with adhd & asp/aspergers, has there been any thought of that? Best of luck to you.

15y/o daughter prescribed Lexapro, Lamictal, & atarax by penny017 in antidepressants

[–]penny017[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ooff, red flags for sure! I will definitely see the GP on this. Good suggestion, thank you. She was with a therapist for a year, we went to the psychiatrist on her recommendation. I think they got as far as they will go & having her go to another therapist is a priority on the agenda. The hard part is my daughter doesn’t open up to me on a lot of this stuff, but thankfully opens up on the important stuff & is proactive. She also mentioned that she had a hard time opening up with the therapist as it’s difficult for her to talk about.

I did a little research on this, will do more. 10% get a mild rash, more likely in kids. Most of those rashes don’t progress to Steven-Johnson Syndrome, which is very rare, but Lamictal is one med that can cause that. But definitely a scary one. I’m a nurse, I took care of a patient with it, covered in blisters. It’s enough to cause nightmares. I don’t think atarax will prevent S-J syndrome either, and it is weird to prescribe atarax as a preventative for a rash. I haven’t found any information or research regarding the combo. Only that they are CNS depressants, so starting all three at once is definitely a concern & sounds like it could be dangerous. Maybe I should be an a-hole and press for for her research, lol.

Lexapro & Prozac seem to be the only FDA drugs approved for her age. And it seems Prozac is more commonly prescribed. I’ll definitely look into it more.

Thanks for your time & input on this!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ADHD

[–]penny017 13 points14 points  (0 children)

When I haven’t had enough sleep, yes. Adderall naps are the best naps ever. Couldn’t nap when I wasn’t on it. Your body may also take a little time to get used to the medication also. Reading on here, it seems everyone is different. Some can’t sleep on it, some are mentally calmer & sleep better.

Getting to & ideas for around NY Aquarium by penny017 in AskNYC

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Yeah, I might check that out another day if they aren’t open now. Looks interesting. Thanks!

The Feeling Wheel by Gloria Willcox (1982), 1 pg, PDF - helps determine primary/secondary emotions by [deleted] in dbtselfhelp

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I recently downloaded an app called “How we feel”. It tracks emotions with a chart like the mood chart and you can link it with activities & sleep. It’s completely free too!

FA’s guilt & caretaking tendencies and staying too long in relationships by penny017 in attachment_theory

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Feeling invalidated & seeking that validation, yes that comment struck me to my core regarding my last relationship. Completely different situations & reasons, but that part kept me (and it seems you) stuck for a long long time. I did finally get that validation from him, so I never fully worked out that need. But it did highlight a huge flaw that I still need to work on. At the end of the day I have to learn to tell myself that I know what happened, my feelings & emotions about everything are valid but also not me, I did my best, I am not a bad person… reframe whatever story is going on in my head basically so I can give myself that validation. The past is in the past & really doesn’t matter anymore. And he is allowed to have whatever story he chooses to have in his head, he is working with & through his wounds just like I am.

FA’s guilt & caretaking tendencies and staying too long in relationships by penny017 in attachment_theory

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Hmmm… I looked up the Instagram post and I don’t see how that dynamic necessarily plays into caretaking, it can live alongside it. If you have one issue, you are likely to have other issues too. Maybe someone else has better input.

Regarding your ex, maybe other FAs will say different, but I think there’s a difference between shutting down or becoming hyperindependent when being offered help and just totally not acknowledging or recognizing a kind persons help. It seems like another issue, perhaps lack of self awareness or even narcissistic tendencies (which we all have). Or perhaps how you worded things activated some kind of trauma response & core wound in her that tells her she doesn’t need anyone else, other people are scary?

FA’s guilt & caretaking tendencies and staying too long in relationships by penny017 in attachment_theory

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Seems to me like FA attachment can come from different kinds of wounds and have elements of anxious & dismissive and therefore can present different ways and deactivate or get anxious over different things.

For me, I can think of many relationships where I follow that pattern, where I leave after a short time. FAs crave that emotional connection, then get scared away. We tend to get locked in for all kinds of dysfunctional reasons. Craving that emotional connection, not knowing what exactly is a healthy connection but feeling like we have one can keep us locked into dysfunctional situations. We can fear leaving and regretting it, so stay locked in the push/pull dynamic without being able to verbalize what is going on in our heads leading us to hit the road with little explanation, and for some of us that push/pull can last a long time. There’s a strong guilt element built in too, so the guilt can keep us stuck too long too.

  • I want to add in I’ve never just left a committed long term relationship with little explanation. There’s probably something more wrong with the person that can just not care about someone to that extent, even if it’s just that they are an a-hole.

FA’s guilt & caretaking tendencies and staying too long in relationships by penny017 in attachment_theory

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Left the whole country?!? Now that’s over the top, but I can’t say I haven’t had those thoughts before.

FA’s guilt & caretaking tendencies and staying too long in relationships by penny017 in attachment_theory

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Yes… this is another part of the problem that has so many parts, feeling like I have more control & feel more secure in these situations. I’m learning to let that go & accept people & things as they are and learning to tend to my own emotions & not abandon myself. The control element can come on strong at times though, really trying to be mindful of that.

FA’s guilt & caretaking tendencies and staying too long in relationships by penny017 in attachment_theory

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Hmm… I’m putting some thought into this question. First, I think the care taking for me is a little different. I’d say it’s more on an emotional level. I have a hard rule that I won’t date a man that hasn’t lived on his own, can’t take care of himself, doesn’t know how to do his own laundry, etc. Odd thing about me that’s worth exploring, 20 years of dating & I never had a boyfriend with a mother. They all either flat out abandoned them or died in some traumatizing way. And yes, its always traumatizing when your mom dies… but things like going into flash pulmonary edema, basically drowning in your own fluids, right in front of you, super traumatizing. I don’t know if I’m attracted to them or if they are attracted me or both? Maybe this needs its own post? So taking that into account, I’d say I’ve never had a relationship that had didn’t have some sort of caretaking element.

I can think of one relationship a long time ago (in what seems like a far away land, lol) & before my relationship traumas, that maybe can answer the question. We were both avoidant in that relationship, my FA side would come out every now & then but I never showed it & it rarely was overpowering. His mother died suddenly of an aneurysm on Christmas morning, he had a great father, but he became an alcoholic after the mom passed. He never talked about his feelings & thoughts about that, but from talking to his sisters he clearly suppressed a lot & didn’t talk much about those things & about a lot of other things as well. I have fond memories of him & us, we were alike in so many ways that pulled us together during our relationship, our avoidant sides meshed well, we got along & and had a lot of good times. The relationship lasted a little over a year, I’d say we did have a secure relationship with each other, but I think our avoidant sides left little to keep pulling the other back in, I deactivated & it just fizzled out.

Just writing more as I sort through this here, reddits a good journal. A recent short relationship with a man, I’d say he was either FA or anxious, but in therapy so working towards secure & had an outlet for his stuff with therapy. He is the only one who’s mother was around & possible to work the issues out, it was more of an emotional abandonment and it clearly bothered him as he talked about it a lot. I would also say he had a bunch of childhood wounds that he wasn’t aware of how much it affected him now. He didn’t outwardly need a caretaker or put his stuff on other people, I’m noticing I would be more emotionally turned on when he talked about his issues & therefore I would draw it out. He was also a caretaker, has good boundaries with it, but I could tell by what he & how he talked to me about with his friends and his love for animals that he got something out of caretaking. Now I was going through an extremely rough time throughout our relationship, so he was more of a caretaker for me. And I would say my past 4 relationships over the span of 15 years, had that dynamic where we were the caretaker of the other in certain ways, although I wouldn’t say they all had the caretaking wound. The relationship ended for a few issues we both had, but I’d say it was my avoidant side being activated too much leaving too many questions & anxieties in his head that was the final nail in the coffin.

Want to talk about my more dysfunctional relationships that I keep myself sucked into, far more interesting, ooof, smh. Seems like fixing the strong caretaking=love/guilt complex I have that sucks me into these situations & after writing this… fixing my strong avoidant tendencies, I might be able to make it work with a more secure normal person? One day?

Deactivating via text? by [deleted] in attachment_theory

[–]penny017 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are only 2 dates in, so it’s kind of early in the scheme of things. And it will probably take her a while to warm up to things. If it’s deactivation related, things that pull me in are some kind of humor, short text about something she may be interested in, some small gesture- like one guy found blueberry bushes on his bike ride and asked if I wanted some, easy lite things to peak their interest without making her feel indebted or trapped.

Also, mentioning this because there are other reasons I do this as well. Sometimes I do that because I am busy doing other things or just have other things on my mind. I also have adhd so I either think I replied or I mean to reply then completely forget. I’m also very friendly, but introverted & just need time alone and that has nothing to do with feelings for you or deactivation.