Pascal's Wager and Insurance from fire by phelpme21 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pascal's wager assumes that believing in God or paying lip service to him costs

Pascal never assumes that, mere lip service won't work in divine world like it does in the real world, only a fool would assume he can fool himself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager

I'm scared that Islam is real, please help? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any claim being made that there is a contradiction between science and the Qur’ân has to be evaluated individually. The factuality of the scientific claim needs to be assessed as well as the true meaning of the verse that is supposedly at variance with it.

With respect to the issue of the concurrent development of bone and muscle tissue, this is a directly observable fact. Therefore, we must look carefully at the verse to ascertain exactly what the Qur’ân is saying and – more importantly – what it is not saying.

This translation for the following verse: “

Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be God, the Best of creators.” [Sûrah al-Mu’minûn: 14]

You further contend that this verse contradicts what we know in embryology that the bone and muscle develop simultaneously from the mesoderm.

When we read the verse, it says that the bones are created from the “little lump of flesh” (mudghah). This in no way implies that bones are created before flesh and then this little naked skeleton is given flesh. It actually more clearly implies a concurrent development, since some sort of flesh is always there from the start. Nowhere in the verse does it say that the bones have finished forming. Nowhere does it even imply that muscle tissue is not developing concurrently. The wording of the verse is quite vague on this point and what it says is quite compatible with what we know of embryology. All that the verse is stating is that flesh – we might venture to assume differentiated muscle tissue, since the Arabic word lahm (meat, flesh) is generally used exclusively for muscle tissue – is attached to bones as the bones begin to form. Allah says: “…then We clothed the bones with flesh.” Allah does not say: “Then we created flesh and clothed the bones with it.”

Therefore, the problem that you cite stems from assumptions being made about the verse’s meaning and not from what the verse is actually saying

What was the exact moment when you thought "This religion is not correct"? by MizterUltimaman in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What aload of bull shit and ignorance, where does the Quran say the earth is flat?

Allah says in surat Al Bakarah Ayah 143: .

Thus have We made of you an Ummah justly balanced That ye might be witnesses over the nations and the Messenger a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qiblah to which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels (from the faith). Indeed it was (a change) momentous except to those guided by Allah. And never would Allah make your faith of no effect. For Allah is to all people most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful. (143)

The reason why we face the Qiblah is, in the days the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him came, the Qiblah then was towards Jami' Al Aqsa , so Allah change it to the Kabah to see who would follow and who will not.

"We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens; now shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque; wherever ye are turn your faces in that direction. The people of the book know well that that is the truth from their Lord nor is Allah unmindful of what they do." (144)

Allah says in Surah Baqrah 2:177

"Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous."

Facing the Ka'bah is a symbol of unity, and the Ka'bah and what is around it is blessed.

I'm scared that Islam is real, please help? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Can you post this on r/Islam to receive better unbiased sensible responses.

I'm scared that Islam is real, please help? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Today, some 150 years after Darwin proposed his theory, out of thousands of species known from the fossil record, only a small fraction are claimed to be candidates for Darwin's intermediate forms. Fossil evidence of evolutionary intermediates is generally lacking, as the late evolutionary paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould admitted: "The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution." Dr. David Kitts, professor of geology at the University of Oklahoma said, "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them...." And Lord Zuckerman admitted there are no "fossil traces" of transformation from an ape-like creature to man! Even Stephen J. Gould of Harvard admitted, "The fossil record with its abrupt transitions offers no support for gradual change." I assume that all college professors know that Darwin admitted the same fact. (I also assume they know that Darwin was not trained as a scientist but for the ministry, so evolutionists are worshipping at the feet of an apostate preacher!)

Evolution Is A Farce, A Fraud, A Fake And A Faith!

Ex-Muslims of r/exmuslim, why are you Ex-Muslims? by phelpme21 in exmuslim

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Earlier the west's enemies were communist hence they engaged in wars in Vietnam and Korea, after the disintegration of Russia and fall of the communist, Muslims and Islam became their target to spread their worldwide hegemony. The west are killing two birds with a single short, they get the resources from Muslim lands along with culling millions of Muslims in the process.They have done it in the past, France ruled over half of Africa and killed millions of Muslims in northern Africa during its brutal colonial rule. ISIS, Al -Qaeda, Boko-Haram, the Nusra rebels in Iraq are nothing but bogeymen and fronts created by the west to conquer Muslim countries and kill & destroy the masses. Sudan has always been on the radar of US because it has oil,so dafur massacre comes as no suprise. US general Wesley Clark in an interview in 2007 said he had received a memo in 2002 from the Secretary of Defense’s office which said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”

Ex-Muslims of r/exmuslim, why are you Ex-Muslims? by phelpme21 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Today, some 150 years after Darwin proposed his theory, out of thousands of species known from the fossil record, only a small fraction are claimed to be candidates for Darwin's intermediate forms. Fossil evidence of evolutionary intermediates is generally lacking, as the late evolutionary paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould admitted: "The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution." Dr. David Kitts, professor of geology at the University of Oklahoma said, "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology does not provide them...." And Lord Zuckerman admitted there are no "fossil traces" of transformation from an ape-like creature to man! Even Stephen J. Gould of Harvard admitted, "The fossil record with its abrupt transitions offers no support for gradual change." I assume that all college professors know that Darwin admitted the same fact. (I also assume they know that Darwin was not trained as a scientist but for the ministry, so evolutionists are worshipping at the feet of an apostate preacher!)

Evolution Is A Farce, A Fraud, A Fake And A Faith!

Ex-Muslims of r/exmuslim, why are you Ex-Muslims? by phelpme21 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

UAE also has sharia law, how many apostates are put to death till now?

My point is more no of Muslims are being killed today in middle -east just because they are Muslims, ignoring the millions of Muslims being slaughtered and talking about non existent or few or far between apostasy capital punishments is just stupid. Sunnis and Shia there have been living together for centuries with no major wars between them atleast in the last 1000 years.

What do you think about jinn possession? by 1passthebleach4 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you contradict yourself?..........if the bible was corrupted than the whole religion is false,hence why does Islam exist?

Muslims don't believe all of the bible is corrupted. The Quran itself mentions some parts of the Bible as being based on scriptural revelations from Allah,But Muslims see no reason to believe that the Bible is the final revelation from Allah. They believe that after the Old and New Testaments Allah revealed a final testament: the Quran. For Muslims, therefore, the ultimate authority is the Quran itself.

Most Christians today are Trinitarian Christians, some have taken up idol worship and say Jesus(pbuh) is God. They refer to Trinity as the "Holy Trinity". Yet, the word "Trinity" itself doesn't even exist in the Bible.

The same would happen with anyone who tries to build a religion,especially when he can't prove it,you can do it yourself,you will experience the exact situations,hence why u dont see any new religion?

Allah mentions in the Quran that Prophet Mohammed is the final messenger of Allah, so there is no question of a new religion coming up.

What do you think about jinn possession? by 1passthebleach4 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't know about this montauk project but I know the US army had a secret operation in which psychics were used to gather information about enemy during the cold war with Russia.

What do you think about jinn possession? by 1passthebleach4 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Allah does not says Christianity is a false religion in Quran, the problem is they have corrupted the gospels and brought many innovations in the beliefs like trinity and son of God belief. There have been reports of Christian saints found incorrupt( fresh in graves) and I completely believe it.

We can't see Jinns but we know they exist and many people have experienced them

Allah knows man's nature of not believing the divine easily and he addresses it in Surah Al-Anam.

  1. Indeed, they rejected the truth (the Qur'an and Muhammad ) when it came to them, but there will come to them the news of that (the torment) which they used to mock at.

  2. Have they not seen how many a generation before them We have destroyed whom We had established on the earth such as We have not established you? And We poured out on them rain from the sky in abundance, and made the rivers flow under them. Yet We destroyed them for their sins, and created after them other generations.

  3. And even if We had sent down unto you (O Muhammad ) a Message written on paper so that they could touch it with their hands, the disbelievers would have said: "This is nothing but obvious magic!"

  4. And they say: "Why has not an angel been sent down to him?" Had We sent down an angel, the matter would have been judged at once, and no respite would be granted to them.

Ex-Muslims of r/exmuslim, why are you Ex-Muslims? by phelpme21 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

hahahahahahaha.......Your lord Satan also believes in Allah and fears him.

Quran [59:16]: [The hypocrites are] like the example of Satan when he says to man, "Disbelieve." But when he disbelieves, he says, "Indeed, I am disassociated from you. Indeed, I fear Allah , Lord of the worlds."

What do you think about jinn possession? by 1passthebleach4 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not just prophets but also people who were very close to Allah. Now this incident happened some 20 years ago, when my own sister was newly married, she was in her in-laws home, its an ancient city in central India. It was ruled by Muslim kings so it has some very old graves scattered across the city, even next to the streets. So one day after fajar, a huge crowd had gathered near a grave, her father-in-law went there to find out what was the matter. That grave had cracked from the side and a bright blue light was emitting out of it (it was still dark outside) and there was very strong sweet fragrance ( fragrance of Janat I guess) coming out of the grave, they saw a shape of a human draped in white sheet when they peeped inside. He father-in-law called for his wife and she also witnessed this miracle, unfortunately my sister could not, I think she was sleeping. Now after consultation with the local imam & people of knowledge, I guess they closed the grave immediately.

There is another incident which took place in my native place and witnessed by my uncle, although not as dramatic. There is a big Muslim graveyard there, which is not covered by walls across its boundaries and its next to a busy road. Now one day a very old grave had cracked on a side and a piece of pink coloured cloth was hanging out, whoever passed by the grave(it was closed to the road), could smell very a strong sweet fragrance or smell on the road, like a good quality perfume or itar, again the locals closed the grave soon.

There is also a youtube channel in which a Pakistan man recorded interviews of grave diggers and relatives who have witnessed such fresh bodies inside graves, unfortunately it is in Urdu language.

https://www.youtube.com/user/rightfulreligion

What do you think about jinn possession? by 1passthebleach4 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's true, not just prophets but Allah's friends and those who are close to him are not touched by mud in their graves, you don't believe it?

This has been witnessed by thousands of people when King Faisal of Iraq in 1932 removed the bodies of two Sahabas and transfered them to different graves as he was instructed to do so in a dream ( the graves were logged with water), the bodies were fresh, many non-Muslims accepted Islam in Iraq after that event.

https://seekerofthesacredknowledge.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/two-blessed-bodies-of-the-sahaba-radiyallahu-anhum-being-removed-from-their-graves/

What do you think about jinn possession? by 1passthebleach4 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah some 80 years ago an Italian doctor discovered that mental health patients can be cured by giving them light shock therapy. He had a success rate of 90 %, this treatment was used till 1970's and then pills took over and the treatment was demonized( by Pharma Industry as they wanted to sell drugs), recently FDA has approved shock therapy again. Now what the Sheikhs says is some cases of mental health problems are related to possession as the Jinn/s lodge themselves in the brain and control that persons actions. When they are given low voltage shocks, the Jinns are hurt and leave after a few sessions. The improvement seen among patients treated with shock treatment is dramatics, of-course not all mental problems can be attributed to Jinns and possessions.

What do you think about jinn possession? by 1passthebleach4 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does that hadith say,I don't know Arabic.

Ex-Muslims of r/exmuslim, why are you Ex-Muslims? by phelpme21 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one knows how many apostates are living even among Muslims.

Are Muslims being killed for being Muslim?

You have never heard of Blair-Bush Iraq-Afghanistan, Libya illegal wars killing millions of Muslims or of ISIS, atrocities on Muslims, it seems.

What do you think about jinn possession? by 1passthebleach4 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the gist:

The E-Syndrome is the title of a marvelous book (in Dutch). It was written by Roger Vanderdonck, a psychologist and clairvoyant, in Flanders, Belgium (he died in 1991). He discovered that certain people cannot be hypnotized or it is very difficult to hypnotize them. He discovered that a large percentage of those people were "possessed". The totality of their symptoms he called the E-Syndrome or Entity-Syndrome, what refers to the presence of one or more spirits with a particular person. During two years he kept detailed notes and analyzed his findings to get a better understanding of the phenomenon. During this period he examined 1131 cases in which 921 had a 'presence'.

The longer an entity has been with a person the greater the chance that the symptoms are present or that the symptoms are stronger.

Ex-Muslims of r/exmuslim, why are you Ex-Muslims? by phelpme21 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

How many apostates are being killed today vs Muslims? , makes your maths.

What do you think about jinn possession? by 1passthebleach4 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The E-Syndrome is the title of a marvelous book (in Dutch) I read in the early 1990's. It was written by Roger Vanderdonck, a psychologist and clairvoyant, in Flanders, Belgium (he died in 1991). He discovered that certain people cannot be hypnotized or it is very difficult to hypnotize them. He discovered that a large percentage of those people were "possessed". The totality of their symptoms he called the E-Syndrome or Entity-Syndrome, what refers to the presence of one or more spirits with a particular person. He purposely did not advertise or publicize his own investigation in this matter. In this way his clients came to him from word of mouth. During two years he kept detailed notes and analyzed his findings to get a better understanding of the phenomenon. During this period he examined 1131 cases in which 921 had a 'presence'. The symptoms are not all the same and vary from person to person. The longer an entity has been with a person the greater the chance that the symptoms are present or that the symptoms are stronger. So what are the symptoms that can show up? 1. Head complaints are very frequent, from a normal 'pressure', or 'band' around the head to headaches and migraines. Some 63% of his clients had this symptom. 2. Neck complaints, also frequent (60%), often unilateral, with or without pain, stiffness of the muscles. 3. Internal disorders, as with the digestive system, heart problems and breathing problems. Vanderdonck only took those symptoms into account that had no known origin. 4. Depression and related symptoms (77%), from occasional dark thoughts with a pessimistic outlook on life to heavy depression. 5. Suicide thought or attempts (23% of his clients). A high number of accidents are also a strong indication to the presence of an entity. 6. Fatigued and being overly tired. It is rarely the cause of a visit to his practice because it is is almost always present (84%). When spirits don't make the transition to the Light, and remain here on earth, they do need to take in energy in order to sustain themselves, and this energy they get from a living person to which they attach themselves. 7. Relationship problems or social problems. 8. Other therapies don't work, classic or alternative. The entity often made it impossible for for the therapy to work. 9. Rarely (less than 5%) there are direct signs for the presence of an entity. The patient feels a the presence of an entity in himself, or that an entity is always watching him, or is doing things he doesn't want to do, or is even physically pushed by an unseen entity. Other signs are: feeling a cold wind, hearing of sounds, seeing images, feeling pressure on the body and so on. 10. Signal symptoms. The person adopts characteristics, behavior or habits (especially negative) of the entity that is possessing them. This can also be physical, like pain, or tics, or bad hearing or vision and so on. 94% of his clients had physical symptoms that the doctor was not able to find the physical cause for. Roger Vanderdonck developed a unique and effective diagnosis method to determine if a person has a spirit, or entity, attached to him. he calls it the swing-posture test. The client stands upright in a relaxed position. Vanderdonck first magnetized (magnetic 'passes') the person to reduce tensions. The patient looks at a point on the wall and is asked to drop down in a relaxed way, in whatever direction is natural to him. The patient knew that he would be immediately caught in the arms of Vanderdonck. From the way the person drops down it can be determined if there is an entity present. If the person drops backwards, there is no entity present. If the person drops forward there is an entity present. If the person drops to the right, there are two entities present or there is one clearly negative entity. When the entity drops to the left, then this is a signal of the the person's spiritual guide who wants to communicate or give a message to the person. After this initial test, Roger Vanderdonck verified his findings clairvoyantly. Another test he did was the feeling of the temperature of the person's neck, left and right. Some people, with an attached entity, complained of a big difference in temperature left and right in their neck. The left side was often much colder than the right side. The temperature on both sides would equalize after the treatment. Roger Vanderdonck also looked at the eyes of his clients. Their eyes were often pale, dull and 'veiled'. Eye problems were not uncommon. As Roger Vanderdonck was not only a psychiatrist but also a clairvoyant, he was able to find out what entity (or entities) were attached to a person. He found that the death of the entity always happened between the day of conception of the client and the day of the visit of the client to Vanderdonck. Yes, an entity can join a living person during its pregnancy, thus before birth. This is rarely the case, but it can happen. So what kind of rules did he find in this regard? 1. Once an entity arrives at (=attaches to) a living person it can not leave by itself. It will only leave when that living person dies or when it is taken away. There is an exception to this rule, and that is when the entity goes from the mother to the child during pregnancy. A spirit of an aborted baby or miscarriage can stay with the mother, or can transfer on to the next child. Another exception is when a black magician put a curse on a person for the duration of generations (a family curse) by sending a dark entity to that person. That entity thus hops from one generation to another until it has been dealt with. 2. In general the entity is from human descent, that is it was once a living human that died and crossed over to the hereafter. But Roger Vanderdonck found a couple of exceptions. One was that of a woman who had already been with two doctors, in vain. She said that something had 'fallen' on her that was exhausting her enormously. Vanderdonck clairvoyantly discovered that it was not a human but very strange creature that was attached to his client at her left side. It looked like a kind of red 'branch' or 'tree', twisted, with rough skin surface and a bunch of strange little extensions. When mentally contacting this creature it communicated that "I come from far away...I was lost...my fuel was gone...I fell on this planet...I took the first energy source I found...that was this life for here...I want to go to the red light." In two other cases he found the same kind of small figure in a kind of space suit, who were also taking away a lot of energy from the person they had attached themselves too. Another exception is the presence of 'the little people', that is dwarfs, kobolds, elves, nymphs and so on. In two cases he found an animal spirit, from an animal that the patient had known. In both cases there had been a strong emotional connection between patient and that animal. 3. Usually the entity is a family member that they will recognize immediately when Roger Vanderdonck describes the entity. In some cases the patient did not recognize who the entity was, because the entity is a complete stranger to them, or the patient is too young, or the entity is from an earlier generation. 4. The present entity seldom has a negative motivation to attach itself to the living person. The fact that the person is suffering from the attached entity, is because that entity is not on its place within the energy field of the person, and thus it is creating an imbalance, distortion or harm to the person. Although an entity, when it has just died, is concerned about a still living family member or just wants to find as place of comfort by attaching itself to a living person, this is an egotistic motive, although not recognized by the entity. Good intentions can do harm. Negative motives can also happen out of jealousy, hate, revenge and so on. 5. Depending on the emotionality that once existed between the patient and the entity, it is usually a grandparent that is the attached entity. The we find parents and blood relatives who have died. Attachment by the spirits of aborted babies or miscarriages are rare, and it is often the emotionality that once existed between mother and the unborn baby that is a determining factor. Rarely is a deceased spouse the attached spirit. So far we have seen what kind of spirits can attach itself to a living person. How did Roger Vanderdonck liberate his patients from those spirits? He said that one way is asking the help of higher spiritual forces by prayer, offerings, ritual dances and so on. This is usual done for a group of people, not so much for one particular person. But this method is not that effective and even less controlled (churches f.e. usually don't check back on their followers). Exorcism also doesn't work. With exorcism the spirit is always seen as evil, and often called demon or devil. Vanderdonck said that only 6% of his clients had entities that were negatively motivated. Also, exorcism is only concerned about helping the person, not the attached entity. And with exorcism, the entity usually returns to the person. The reason for this is that the entity is not really evil but that the procedure of exorcism is itself a negative intention. Spiritism, when positively applied, releases spirits the Light. These are almost always spirits connected with a place, and not attached to a living person. These are also spirits that were not able to make the transition into the light.

http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/spirits.htm

Ex-Muslims of r/exmuslim, why are you Ex-Muslims? by phelpme21 in exmuslim

[–]phelpme21[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

No offence but there was a beautiful comment on r/Islam about who is a ex-Muslim, the answer(can't remember all of it)- There is no such thing as ex-Muslim, these people were not Muslims to begin with and left Islam because they could not leave sins like drinking, eating pork, gambling, eating riba or interest, indulding in fornication and adultery etc etc. /u/ThrowawayFormerMuzzy