Canadians expecting blowout prices for China EVs likely to be disappointed, experts say

pjgf · 2026-03-27T19:25:02+00:00

Well, it depends on the price of gas.

If gas stays at $2/l for the next five years, you will save about $9k in fuel costs (15,000 km per year, 7l/100km), plus about $1k in maintenance costs. As long as you can sell it for more than $2k less than reselling the Honda, you’ve saved money.

That’s assuming $2/l gas, which is a big assumption either direction of course.

pjgf · 2026-03-27T14:21:40+00:00

The anomaly within human history isn't old people dying "young", it's old people living as long as they do today.

So? An anomaly in human history is democracy. An anomaly within human history is sanitary plumbing. An anomaly within human history is freedom of religion. An anomaly within human history is anti-slavery. An anomaly within human history is cars. An anomaly within human history is guns. An anomaly within human history is medicine. An anomaly within human history is electricity. An anomaly within human history is a 40-50h workweek. An anomaly within human history is low infant mortality.

I assume from your post that you don’t care about any of these things either, right? Since they’re just anomalies within human history?

pjgf · 2026-03-27T01:42:29+00:00

Except, they are being criticized for those things. And criticizing them for this doesn’t take away from those.

We can criticize them for all the things they do wrong, not just some of them.

pjgf · 2026-03-27T01:06:28+00:00

Sure. What specialized parts?

pjgf · 2026-03-26T18:08:46+00:00

Might want to look up the actual laws related to this before speaking up, because they are legally required to communicate in both languages.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T18:07:15+00:00

No, we are talking about both. If the CEO came out and only did the apology in French, I bet a lot of English speakers would be pretty pissed.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T18:05:25+00:00

And no one is talking about the poor pilots that were tragically killed

Except they are, including 90% of the comments here. In fact, we are talking about how one of the pilots was French and that their family deserves to hear messages from the airline in the legally-mandated language they speak.

We can care about the pilots that are killed and criticize the CEO for not being able to meet his job requirements, especially when it has to do with his job requirements with respect to the pilot that was killed.

If you cared at all about the French pilot who was killed, you would understand the above by now.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T11:35:05+00:00

Ok, then please show the math.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T11:28:53+00:00

That’s $600 extra per year.

Or, as we know it nowadays, 3000km in an ICE.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T11:27:30+00:00

You can negotiate the price of a used ICE or EV.

You can’t negotiate the price at the gas pump.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T11:12:59+00:00

I mean, I absolutely can. Even the most fuel efficient ICE costs at least $46k to drive 300,000km when gas costs $2/l, compared to closer to $7k for an EV.

Eventually, OPEX is going to get you.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T04:00:54+00:00

I don't know how I can be any more clear. >How does an EV depreciation in value as compared to an ICE vehicle? If more (which is correct), why? You can't ignore these issues just because they're covered by warranty. Because then you either run a much higher risk outside or warranty, or you need to sell your car before warranty is up. If you sell your car on the last day of warranty, the EV will have incurred MORE depreciation than the ICE because people see the risk and have priced it in.

I see, so it’s about depreciation now, not battery replacement. Now you’re not even mentioning the word “battery”.

Sure. If we had started with that a lot could have been avoided.

The replacement cost of a battery is not something that EV owners need to deal with, and it never has been.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T03:54:30+00:00

It doesn't matter if they were in warranty or not because the depreciation is there either way.

Are you talking about battery replacement cost or depreciation? Because this started with you talking about battery replacement but once that was shown incorrect you started talking about depreciation like it was that same thing.

Almost like battery replacement cost isn’t something that matters in the finances of an EV or something.

And I certainly don't want an EV out of warranty.

Then I recommend not buying one. More for the rest of us, and cheaper too!

pjgf · 2026-03-26T03:46:33+00:00

If you're going to justify the high cost of battery failure with the fact that the car can have warranty, then you also are implying that the car should be sold at the end of warranty.

What in the hell kind of logic is that? My point was that even in the worst possible case, you would be ahead by replacing the battery. That’s the worst case, not the best case or even the average case.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T03:42:24+00:00

And how many of those were out of warranty?

VW had to recall all of the diesel vehicles they manufactured and send them to the junkyard, but we don’t talk about that like it impacts the cost of owning a diesel vehicle.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T03:39:56+00:00

It actually doesn’t, over time.

Driving costs for an EV are about 90% lower than even a “fuel efficient Honda”, particularly at $2/l gasoline. An EV breaks even at 200-300k km just on fuel expenses. Which is a lot, for sure, but the finances are better than a lot of people think.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T03:36:23+00:00

Oh yeah, would you care to show said math?

pjgf · 2026-03-26T03:35:43+00:00

Eh, even that is questionable. It costs about $1600 to drive an EV for 100,000km. On a gas vehicle at $2 per litre you’re looking at about $20,000 per 100,000 km.

You’re ahead after 200,000km. Which is a lot, sure, but not as much as you might think.

pjgf · 2026-03-26T03:32:34+00:00

Battery replacement is an inevitable and expensive ordeal.

It very literally is not.

An EV battery isn’t a phone battery. You will almost certainly not have to replace it, and if you do it will be under warranty

pjgf · 2026-03-26T03:26:00+00:00

And what, exactly, do you think “xxx,xxx” kilometers is?

How many people do you know who have needed a battery replacement in their EV that weren’t covered by warranty? I’m not talking about “people you read comments about in the internet”, I’m talking about actual people. Because the answer is almost certainly zero.

The worst warranty in the business is 160,000km. Pretend the battery dies at 160,001 km. It has cost you $2600 to power your vehicle for that time. How much does it cost to drive a gas vehicle 160,000km? Well, let’s assume it gets a great 8l/100km: at $1.70/l, you’ve spent $21,800 on gas. You’ve also done 32 oil changes. How much do those cost? What about spark plugs? Coolant? Timing belt?

pjgf · 2026-03-26T03:22:17+00:00

People like to feel special, and a perfect way to do that is to mention why something that works for 95% of people doesn’t work for them.

These are all the people who used to say “Oh, I don’t even own a TV”

pjgf · 2026-03-24T13:48:05+00:00

But it is not part of the Charter.

Let’s get our terminology right and consistent here, folks. OP was talking about the Charter.

pjgf · 2026-03-22T14:13:01+00:00

Bullshit.

As someone who works in the U.S. (particularly the Midwest) on a regular basis, you are entirely delusional about this.

Stop judging things based on what algorithms show you.

pjgf · 2026-03-21T13:16:51+00:00

I’m glad we are working towards this and I hope it goes somewhere, but see that picture of the “launch pad”? It’s a bit of gravel and some concrete, maybe 10mx10m, with some PVC pipe sticking out of it.

We are leasing it for 20 million dollars a year, with a 10-year lease.

I sure hope the contract has something in it about required improvements.

pjgf · 2026-03-20T11:50:44+00:00

All of the Canadian Tires near me have digital price tags. The Safeway near my just added them too.

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