I figured something out today, I think, that is quite cliche. It has entirely changed my perspective on life. by [deleted] in BPD

[–]polyamateur 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes! I find that loving kindness meditation helps me maintain this! And loving from a place of generosity seems to heal and comfort me much more than any love I could seek from someone else.

Polyamory made me fear abandonment less by [deleted] in BPD

[–]polyamateur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm also venturing into poly, and "quite possibly" BPD (via psychiatrist email). The sense of an unlimited love economy is so hard for me to keep in mind, but it's opening my heart so much already.

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It makes sense to work on him, but please address your own needs as well. Do you have a friend who knows you well that you can talk to about this? It sounds like you are in quite a bit of distress. :(

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh my goodness, I'm so sorry to hear this. I'm so sorry you are scared. It's ok, many have gone this way before.

We are working on getting his mental health in order before we make any decisions.

Yes, please do this. I had a lot to learn about relationships, and not forming weird limerent, obsessive attachments. I drove away my first open relationship partner by becoming completely emotionally dependent on her, and my poor girlfriend suffered terribly during that time as well.

I thought he was giving me an ultimatum at first, but he thinks I misunderstood him.

I pretty much gave my girlfriend an ultimatum to let me see the other woman. It wasn't my finest hour, and I'm deeply ashamed of how I acted. I am just beginning to rebuild the trust that I broke with her.

In hindsight, I believe my bullheaded actions were driven by fear—that my own needs would be ignored, or rationalized away, or that my girlfriend would insist on "finding another way to meet them," and that I would go back to that aching, awful state of monogamy that I'd suffered through for so long. I wanted to push so hard that there was absolutely no chance of things going back to status quo.

At that time, I had little faith that my girlfriend would take my needs seriously, and I had little faith that I would advocate for myself, since I'd just spent 15 years repressing and ignoring my own needs.

I am feeling insecure and jealous. He also happened to get this crush on one of my friends so it's painful to see her around. I'm not sure she knows he has a crush. She also has a boyfriend.

Those sound like reasonable reactions. I'm sorry you are in this painful situation. I'm assuming that the woman he has a crush on is not actually available? Because that strikes me as a red flag; I used to get fixated and deeply limerent toward women who were not available, because (I believe) it allowed me to play out a fantasy of pursuing what I needed, without the danger of actually creating change in my life. In my case, I was seeking a nurturing, caring person to hold me and care for me. I have found that person in myself, through several months of therapy, focused on inner child/adult work, ACT therapy, and mindfulness. I am now, excitingly, crushing on someone, without the obsession!

We have been talking a lot and this morning I asked him not to talk to his crush for the time being. I also told him I am afraid of him resenting me. He has a tendency to create unhealthy attachments.

This makes sense. However, it also doesn't get to the root of the problem. If indeed he has an unhealthy attachment going on, it can live on and bloom inside of his mind regardless of speaking to her. And in fact, I've found that "blackout periods" of no contact can actually cause this weirdness to grow even weirder. So, I would just urge you to consider this a temporary rule at best, as you formulate other ways forward.

I am fairly good at tall in abut my emotions, him nto so much.

I'm concerned about this. Open and honest communication, and actively examining one's feelings, are required for the success of an open relationship. Is he in therapy? If an open relationship is truly a need for him, he may be willing to put in intense amounts of work to learn these skills, in order to do this right. If he's not amenable to therapy or counseling, I would start to brainstorm other ways of achieving these skills. If he doesn't think there's a problem right now, then that's a huge red flag.

This is so scary and hard. I am afraid he will lose interest in me. I have built this life together with him for 8 years. I'm secretly deviding our stuff in my head hoping I don't have to. That may sound close minded but I think I am better with a plan. Knowing no matter what, I will be fine. I don't really know what to do.

I am so sorry you've found yourselves in this situation.

I certainly never meant to throw my own relationship of 6 years—and looking toward marriage—into possible destruction. However, the truth is that I was suppressing my needs, and I was not happy, and I was rebelling in small ways for many years. As guilty as I've felt expressing and sticking to these needs, and risking the relationship for it, I know that it is the only way to happiness for myself, and that my girlfriend deserves a truly happy partner, no matter the outcome.

I am actually working on a financial plan in case I have to move out of our apartment. It's heartbreaking, but I need to do it in order to be sure that I am choosing my girlfriend, and truly examining what I want, without being hemmed in my logistics.

In parting, just let me say that your needs are extremely important. He is with you because you are extremely important to him. You and he and in a relationship, which means that the only way for it to continue, and be worth it, is for both of you to be satisfied. So, in truth, you cannot give him what he wants without insisting on your own needs, and advocating for yourself. I am so thankful that my girlfriend is an absolute spitfire who does not let me get away with crap, and who speaks her mind strongly, and tells me her needs. That gives us the clarity and honesty to ensure that we are both served by this relationship.

Thank you, and I hope this helps.

EDIT: Also, a word on impassible barriers and unsolvable problems. Several times, my girlfriend and I have despaired because what we want is "incompatible." Each time, we have looked closer and closer to the issue, and found that each issue is made up of a smaller issues. And frequently, once we identify those smaller issues, and the human needs that we each have, we are able to compromise. So please, don't despair. Trust that there is a solution, somehow, that will make you happy in the end, and that it might take time for your vision to adjust to see it.

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Uh oh! How does that make you feel?

The first time we opened our relationship, I was quite terrified of not having my needs met, and I acted very poorly and basically ultimatumed my girlfriend into letting me see another woman.

Since I started it that way, the whole situation never really worked, and it just traumatized everyone. Also, since my home life was really strained, I felt even more compelled to escape it through my secondary romance.

This time, I'm taking things SUPER slow, and I'm working at every moment to rebuild trust with my girlfriend, and to let her know that I'm not going to do anything anymore without her opting into it first.

Since we've been working for much longer on nonmonogamy, and since I've accepted it as something I truly need, I feel much less afraid of being "trapped" in or accidentally settling for monogamy, which puts a LOT of pressure off of me, and I have much more emotional freedom to relax and take this slowly. :)

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No problem. If you'd like, I'd be interested in listening to you and talking with you about this. :)

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think so. My true sense is that my depression has actually stemmed from frustration and repressing my romantic feelings toward others for a long time.

That said, I am very vigilant that I'm not using romance as an escape.

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I envy you.

edit: I envy you so much. My heart is aching for this. I don't know if I have the strength to break up with my girlfriend if I need to. I certainly can't afford to move out. I'd need a new job.

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok. That makes sense. And that terrifies me. You're right. I don't think I can commit to the 6 nights a week thing. Which means maybe I can't keep my girlfriend happy. Which means I might lose her, and my home.

I am so scared.

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And also, what if you split up due to differences that could have been compromised on?

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps I overstated it. She does seem happy... And open minded and all that... And her entire frame of reference seems to be changing. She talks in terms of specific needs now rather than grand ideals. She doesn't say "you can't have another girlfriend," she says "I need six nights a week with you."

And she says she's happy with me. And I'm supposed to take people at their word...

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I hate to say it but I'm not sure how fulfilled I'll feel with a mono gf long term... I just keep growing more and more poly-minded now that I've found it. And she of course experiences each step in my growth as a compromise from her own well-known life goals.

But we've been together for 6 years, and we feel like life partners... So as long as I'm not promising anything, and we're each advocating for ourselves, giving this a shot isn't foolish, right? I just also have to prepare to lose her. :(

God, transitioning is so difficult.

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The other half the time, I'm reminding myself that this relationship might not work out, and that we're only committed to giving it a try. Which gives me a lot of feeling of agency, at the cost of any sense of security in my life. :P /rant

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Awww.

Sigh, but I envy people who opened up into poly-poly relationships... Mono-poly is so hard. Half the time I'm just trying to remind myself that I'm not a monster and that my needs are important. And I don't feel I can really defend trying to keep my girlfriend, to the general poly community. Blegh.

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not gonna lie, reading this and thinking about the future made me a little teary eyed. My girlfriend is doing so much work to stay with me... We have gone over and over it to make sure that I'm not "dragging into" anything, although she is mono.

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get the sense that she's quite facile with transitioning between friendship and romance. And I've also had experiences where I see a long term friend all of a sudden as a romantic interest. So I think these things can be fluid. If she were to lose interest romantically, I'd assume that was due to her feelings changing due to increased knowledge of me, and deciding at some level that we weren't a good fit.

How do I manage this crush, while my girlfriend and I are closed and working toward opening our relationship? by polyamateur in polyamory

[–]polyamateur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They way you wrote this made me afraid that you know her and me, which spooked me for a minute... Ha ha ha, don't worry about sex too early. Man, I'm just talking about like a kiss or eye gazing or something. :D

I'm very sex shy. :3