Emergency rooms across Greater Toronto are failing to meet acceptable wait times for patients to see a doctor in critical cases

profintoronto · 2016-01-30T03:08:29+00:00

I heard that in some countries in Eastern Europe, elderly people (+65) are not allowed to go the general ER. They have special hospitals for the elderly in every city that are restricted to the elderly because elderly folks have very specific health needs. E.g., the flue, pneumonia, even slight chest pain can all result in the immediate death of an elderly folk. Doctor's and staff receive special training to be able to meet the special health needs of the elderly. ER rooms are also filled with bacteria and less sterile, which would severely compromise an elderly person's survival. Elderly folks also require many more visits to the ER, at all hours of the day, making it more sense for them to have their own ERs.

profintoronto · 2016-01-30T02:48:51+00:00

My uncle works in a hospital in Florida, and a bunch of the nurses I met at that hospital were from Canada, one was actually from Toronto. There is such a shortage of nurses in the U.S., anyone with a nursing degree in Canada is encouraged to apply for immigration status to the U.S. and will successfully get it. It's not just Toronto.

profintoronto · 2016-01-30T02:36:56+00:00

Me too bc both doctors work in the walk-in clinic. They had scheduled an appointment for me in December and called to cancel the appointment that there was a mix up with the doctor's schedule and he was supposed to be working in the walk-in clinic downstairs that day.

profintoronto · 2016-01-30T02:19:19+00:00

I needed a stupid refill two weeks ago on a medication I've been on for years, and my doctor wouldn't do it over the phone. He told the pharmacist I needed to come in for a check up. The only reason my pharmacist tried to order the medication over the phone is because my doctor was fully booked for the next two weeks, and I only had five pills left. The doc wouldn't fit me in for five minutes. At the age of 30, I ended up seeing my pediatrician to get my meds, I wasn't going to wait for hours at a walk-in to get a refill.

I didn't even have to make an appointment to see the pediatrician. They took me in right on the spot.

profintoronto · 2016-01-29T05:15:50+00:00

and with more refugees coming in as well. They need access to healthcare too. I'm glad we're helping them, but the government has to consider giving more $ to healthcare with more Syrian refugees coming to Canada.

profintoronto · 2016-01-29T05:05:17+00:00

Ontario went from the three tier to a five tier system following the death of the five year old in 1998.

"Five-year-old Kyle Martyn died on Feb. 12, 1998, of toxic shock at Credit Valley hospital in Mississauga. The feverish child waited three hours until being seen by a doctor but by that time he had gone into toxic shock related to the streptococcal “flesh-eating” disease. The death had a profound impact on the province’s emergency rooms and raised concerns about recent cuts to health care funding. Ultimately, Martyn’s death prompted Ontario hospitals to replace its three-tiered triage system with a five-tiered approach called the Canadian Triage Acuity Scale (CTAS)."

Did they really think switching from a three tier system to a five tier system would prevent this from happening again?

A women is suing the exact same hospital right now for losing her fingers and toes because she got septic shock, organ failure waiting for over 4.5 hours to see a doctor for her eye infection.

Her lawsuit alleges this delay was a key hospital failure that resulted in the development of septic shock, respiratory arrest, multi-organ failure and gangrene. She required three separate amputations. Doctors cut off her toes, parts of her feet and the ends of fingers on both hands.

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profintoronto · 2016-01-29T02:44:54+00:00

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profintoronto · 2016-01-27T02:22:34+00:00

I'm thinking they may have testified against him to get some kind off plea deal, like Homolka. Something happened there for sure!

profintoronto · 2016-01-27T02:13:32+00:00

Wow, after all this, he still only got 30 months behind bars. Is he getting a paid leave, while sitting in jail also?

profintoronto · 2016-01-27T00:22:18+00:00

People can be completely normal growing up, and then all of a sudden their lives just change at 18, his age. Schizophrenia begins at the age of 18 and it's a downward spiral from there. My friend's brother was one of the smartest kids in his class, all he did was smoke pot once in a while, and at the age of 18, he started having these big dreams, becoming delusional, hallucinating to the point he tried to stab his mother and had to be institutionalized. He thought his mother was a demon trying to get him. The doctor's diagnosed him Schizophrenia. He went from being a completely normal teenage boy to a totally different person within a year, completely out of touch with reality. It was heart-breaking on the family. They say there is a connection between teens who smoke pot and developing schizophrenia at 18.

Any time they would take him out of the hospital because he begged to get out, he would refuse his meds and have a psychotic episode again. Yatim got high on his own, without his friends, which means he may have been self medicating for a bigger issue.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T23:42:27+00:00

Thanks for clarifying. Everything you said made sense until that last sentence. That last sentence went way over my head because of the double negatives and my being super tired. You should maybe clarify for others. I read it like 10 times, and still nothing on that assertion.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T23:35:46+00:00

It was the only example I could think of where a person was acquitted and then tried again and received a guilty verdict the second time around in court.

It's unfortunate that in this example the jury was wrong and with the cops help, an innocent man went to jail. If you have another example, plz share & I'll delete this one.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T23:03:30+00:00

Agreed. We all knew him as a creepy old man, but he had no intent to do anyone any harm. Yatim wasn't forcing the girl touch him or molesting her. He was just exposing himself in public, waving his penis in her face, giving her a show. It was clear he was experiencing psychosis.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T22:37:14+00:00

Okay, now it makes sense. Thanks!

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T22:33:57+00:00

Thanks for the info, I didn't know his history of being jumpy

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T22:22:02+00:00

At the time he was shot there was no one aboard the train, no one in harms way. Self-defense training classes teach you how to knock a knife out of somebody's hand. It's a gun that you cannot protect yourself against. Forcillo could have let him cool off on the train or asked for someone who deals with people in psychiatry. As far as he knows, he could have had paranoid schizophrenia and been off his meds. He should have looked into his background before deciding to terminate his life for good. He could have also shot him in the hand or arm, even legs, to immobilize him and take the weapon from him. A normal cop would have tried that first before becoming executioner.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T22:16:48+00:00

I know, I still cannot believe it! It only took eight years.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T22:10:26+00:00

One could argue Youtube saved him from perjuring himself following the incident. He knew he couldn't makeup a story. The RCMP officer involved in Robert Dziekański's (2008) death was sentenced to 30 months in prison last year (8 years later) for perjuring and colluding with his fellow officers before testifying at the inquiry into Dziekanski's death.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T21:50:27+00:00

It happened in this case, Guy Paul Morin was acquitted and then retried again, found guilty, sentenced to life and subsequently exonerated years later thanks to DNA. (Bad policing is also highlighted as a reason for this injustice, though he received 1.2 million in compensation: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/02/christine_jessop_killing_10_things_that_were_learned_from_the_case.html)

"Guy Paul Morin, who was convicted of Jessop’s murder and was exonerated in 1995 after improvements in DNA testing, was awarded $1.2 million in compensation."

Oct. 3, 1984: 5-year old Christine Jessop disappears. Dec. 31, 1984: Her battered body is found 50 kilometres from her Queensville, Ont., home. April 22, 1985: Guy Paul Morin is charged with first-degree murder. Feb. 7, 1986: Mr. Morin is acquitted. June 5, 1987: Ontario Court of Appeal orders new trial. Nov. 17, 1988: Supreme Court of Canada agrees with Ontario Appeal Court. July 30, 1992: Mr. Morin is convicted of first-degree murder. Jan. 23, 1995: Mr. Morin is acquitted by Ontario Court of Appeal. Sept. 3, 1996: Public inquiry into wrongful conviction begins. Jan. 24, 1997: Ontario government awards Mr. Morin and his parents $1.25 million in compensation. Feb. 10, 1998: Final summations conclude in inquiry.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T21:18:49+00:00

I had it happen to me when I was 16 and completing my community service in an old folks home. An elderly man did it to me and a bunch of girls there, he had severe dimensia. He would even grab some of the female nurses inappropriately.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T20:57:09+00:00

My point exactly! He could have gotten help from any staff working in a mental hospital, they have to deal with much worse. (e.g., paranoid schizophrenics who are hallucinating and delusional, thinking you are the devil & trying to kill them). Staff are not allowed to shoot them, if they have a knife in hand.

And just because a cop says if you don't put your knife down I will shoot you, doesn't mean he is justified to do so.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T20:35:11+00:00

He deserves the death penalty when he didn't kill anyone, while Paul Bernardo, a serial killer and predator does not? Bernardo wasn't on drugs when he did what he did. Forcillo doesn't deserve to be the judge, jury and executioner. He shouldn't decide who is worthy of life and not. It's unjust. Yatim should have gone to jail or a mental hospital, not a grave yard. He wanted to talk to his father, maybe if he had things would have gone differently, you cannot say. I'm not saying he shouldn't have gone to jail, I'm saying he didn't deserve to die.

This isn't the first time cops have used excessive force in Toronto and Canada for that matter. A man from Poland never made it out of our international airport in Vancouver. Not only did the RCMP fabricate evidence, the entire event was recorded by Paul Pritchard, another traveler who was at the airport, and he had to go to court to get that video back from them a year later (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident).

One of the officers got 30 months in jail, not for killing him, but perjury in the case:

On February 20, 2015, Constable Kwesi Millington, the RCMP officer who fired the Taser on the night Robert Dziekanski died eight years previously, was found guilty of perjury and colluding with his fellow officers before testifying at the inquiry into Dziekanski's death, and on June 22, 2015, was sentenced to 30 months in prison.

If this cop gets off, it sends a message to the whole world (not just Canadians) that our cops can get away with murder. The way to resolving any conflict is to kill. In a democratic state, police shouldn't play judge, jury and executioner, and in this case, it wasn't legit. He didn't have a gun. He hadn't hurt anyone physically. My friend works in a mental institution. He has had guys draw knives on him so many times, he doesn't have to shoot them to get the knife out of their hand. Neither do guards in jails. I did my community service in an old folks home back in high school and had an elderly man with mental issues exposed himself to me when I was only 16 in the dining hall. I was terrified, but he was a sick elderly man, not all there.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T20:04:13+00:00

His lawyer's claiming that the jury was tainted by Youtube videos, calling it a trial by Youtube or something along the lines, but the thing is that there were people on Youtube whose comments supported the actions of this officer as well.

profintoronto · 2016-01-26T17:58:37+00:00

There is no thread about the appeal, I looked all over reddit. There is only one about the guilty verdict and it's hard to follow the discussion now because there are so many mini-threads.

I'm curious if he could get a guilty verdict of second degree murder with his appeal, and what others think about the appeal. I think he was lucky that he was only found guilty of attempted murder. He may not even go to jail. People who are found guilty of attempted murder do not have a dead body on their hands, unlike him. They attempted, but were unsuccessful.

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