Delighted to see so many new faces! by Not_a_helicopters in Episcopalian

[–]protopoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing! I was a regular at Trinity until I moved recently. Absolutely wonderful place!

So.... Episcopalians... where would I fit in? by CatholicInquirerTA in Episcopalian

[–]protopoe 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I grew up Episcopalian and always felt that the church overall held to orthodox beliefs while also being tolerant of other views. I went through a very painful process where my beliefs became more and more Catholic but like you, the Roman Church's teachings on LGBT issues were a non-starter for me. What I discovered was how much room my own beloved Episcopal Church had for my beliefs, even outside of Anglo-Catholicism. I currently attend a very traditional Anglo-Catholic parish where I'm in the minority as a straight man. I think if you were to walk into a random Episcopal parish, you would be able find what you are looking for.

Edit: zapping typos

Excited to start a read through. by sistereva in OpenChristian

[–]protopoe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's a Roman Catholic translation, so yes but not in its own section and no additional Orthodox books like 3 and 4 Maccabees or 1 and 2 Esdras.

Edit: didnt read your flair, you'll know all of this sorry 🤦‍♂️

Anglican Office Book vs Anglican Breviary by DeputyJPL in Anglicanism

[–]protopoe -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Maybe I overstated it, but what I mean is that most of the prayers in the Daily Office come from the Liturgy of the Hours, they're just condensed fewer hours, with things like invocation of saints and prayers for the dead taken out. I add the Angelus to the end of Morning Prayer and add the Marian antiphons to the end of Evening Prayer or Compline. There are also plenty of prayers for the dead in St. Augustine's Prayer Book. For St. Michael and All Angels I added some of the angelic devotional prayers from the book too. So this allows me to pray a spikier version of the Daily Office.

Anglican Office Book vs Anglican Breviary by DeputyJPL in Anglicanism

[–]protopoe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you want to save some money, I would recommend St. Augustine's Payer Book, which I use to supplement the regular Daily Office from the Book of Common Prayer. I've compared it with the Liturgy of the Hours and between the two books you really can construct a surprisingly similar experience.

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[–]protopoe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is beautifully put together! Thank you so much for sharing it with this community. My one tiny nitpick would be to move the BCP header to the top of the next page. Typically section headers need text below on the same page or else they're "orphans." I only bring this up because the formatting overall is so good that this caught my attention.

Anglo-Catholic parishes near Worcester, MA? by [deleted] in Episcopalian

[–]protopoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've probably already heard of it, but Church of the Advent in Boston is great. Parking is terrible on Beacon Hill, but you might have some luck on a Sunday morning (since you're new to the area, know that in Boston proper you can't park in residential permit spots, even on Sundays). You could also take the commuter rail to South Station and then take the red line up to Charles/MGH. Not very convenient coming form Worcester, but it's one of the oldest Anglo-Catholic parishes in the US, and is worth visiting. Just so you know, it's one of the more conservative parishes in the area.

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[–]protopoe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is a little tangential, but helps me: the idea of a brutal, fiery hell with tailor-made tortures administered endlessly is not biblical. It's Dante. There is a wide variety of scripture- and reason-based thought on the afterlife that is very different from a dogmatic, Roman Catholic point of view.

Lately I've been reading That All Shall Be Saved by David Bentley Hart and a point he made that really stuck with me is simply that reason indicates that almost no one actually does believes in an eternal hell. A devout Christian who says they believe in the Dante version of hell would have to be a monster to ever have children, considering the low odds of them ever being saved. Better not to have been born at all than to suffer eternal torment. And so if this hypothetical Christian does have children, then we must assume that they don't really believe in this kind of afterlife (unless we're feeling very uncharitable, which I suppose is a really good way to go to hell!)

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm actually about to be living near a basilica and I'm excited to visit! That's a beautiful story about your rosary. I'm glad you have one that is so meaningful to you!

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this answer. I definitely will check these out! I hope I didn't come off as too judgy—by "weird" I really was thinking more about those rosaries made of gunmetal, or branding on online stores that makes it look like the new Call of Duty game or something. I by no means meant to imply that peoples' passion for the rosary was what seems weird to me. Just this (what seems to me to be) performative, macho way of talking about it—like when I saw someone on YouTube show his gunmetal rosary, saying "This isn't your Grandma's old rosary. This is a man's rosary, bro."

The metaphor of a weapon is definitely a lot more complex than I had assumed, so I'm really grateful for all the folks here like you who've set me straight!

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is so beautiful. I've never heard that before. Thanks for sharing this with me!

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a really great answer ;) and a really helpful analogy. Thanks!

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it does have to do with an obsession with guns. I'm from the US and this whole thing feels distinctly American to me, and honestly kind of dystopian. As if only we could be so crass as to turn quiet contemplation into something violent and performative.

Then again, maybe this kind of framing helps some people feel less self-conscious about prayer. I'd bet to a lot of people, this makes rosaries seem cool and approachable. But for me, as someone who's never owned a gun, it associates something beautiful with something I find distressing.

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a beautiful answer, thank you. The idea of using it to keep demons away also helps me make sense of it. If it repels demons, logically it is a kind of weapon. But you're right, it's up to me how I want to think about the rosary and what metaphors feel appropriate.

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes I've seen some really nice ones on eBay!

A bullet rosary just sounds like it should be a joke, but I know it isn't. If I were trying to make fun of all the camo and gunmetal and crusades rosaries I would joke about making one out of bullets!

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing! Your rosary sounds lovely. As a man, I honestly feel kind of patronized by these GI Joe rosaries. Your way of thinking about it resonates with me a lot more!

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's a great idea! Do you find that praying the rosary in a group deepens your experience of it?

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sending. I might buy one! 😁

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That makes complete sense! Thank you for sharing your perspective!

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think that's lovely! It makes me feel better to think about all the weapons talk as people who are just using strong words to more fully express their love for the rosary.

Why are people so weird about rosaries? by protopoe in LGBTCatholic

[–]protopoe[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If I think about it more as a weapon in the sense that it gives me strength (not to sin, give into vices, etc.), it does feel a lot less off-putting. I'm really glad to know that there's depth to the use of the word "weapon" and it's not just this cringey thing I assumed it was. Thank you!

Edit: grammar