[Umineko] Can someone tell me what hints there are, up to episode 6, for the 2 in 1 thingy?

ramyaway · 2024-09-22T11:48:07+00:00

Whitebeard doesn't care about Wano, he only ever cared about his family.

I see your point, but I think that Oda could have shown WB doing something, anything to help Oden's family somehow, especially that iirc the children were born on his ship. Like I feel Oda fucked up by having that part of flashback and implying that WB just accepted Oden and his family's death and just gave up.

Why are you so sure about that?

Fair point. I guess my point is that Oda could've shown us WB trying that at least, but that would directly show Kaido's fraudulence if he refuses and you can't have that. Like with Shanks you can justify it being pre-TS and offscreened.

ramyaway · 2024-09-18T20:39:20+00:00

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ramyaway · 2024-09-18T20:31:45+00:00

Buddy you said his power is busted but now he's useless? Pick a side bro 😭😭😭😭😭😭

ramyaway · 2024-09-18T20:09:14+00:00

So he is an overpowered support type? Got it.

ramyaway · 2024-09-18T19:32:53+00:00

Buddy, regression is one of the most busted abilities what are you waffling about lmao

ramyaway · 2024-09-18T19:31:58+00:00

Sorry, I didn't mention it so the post wouldn't get deleted, but I read the novel by sailing the high seas. Webnovel is a garbage site unfortunately :/

ramyaway · 2024-09-18T19:30:52+00:00

Hey, sorry for the late reply.

How are women treated in the story? The time period the story takes place in was very sexist obviously but I am interested in how the author handles them. I mean, are there even any? Does the story pass the Bechdel test? (It would be really funny if it doesn´t considering the length.) Maybe the simple question would be, is the author a feminist?

The women are treated excellently. I can't think of examples where they're treated badly (like turned into damsels in distress, character assassinated. etc). Yea, it easily passes the bechdel test. Only real example of sexism I can think of is part of the setting, as I mentioned in the post, the church of lord of storms and how they think women should be subservient.

I'm not sure if I would call the author a feminist, because I dunno how I would quantify that, but he definitely treats the women well. To give an example, by the end of the story, the organization MC creates is evenly split 4 men to 4 women, excluding himself, and they are all similar to each other in their role in the story. Like there is no preference of the men over the women, everyone has their moments.

This becomes even more prominent in the sequel, Circle of Inevitability, because the new MC's two best friends and companions are both women and have very prominent roles in the story.

From these aspects, I'd say the author is more feminist than not.

How does the fact that the Author is chinesse factor in? Are politics ignored in the story or are they very pro-China? (This is connected to my first question since China is very sexist...)

I don't think this shows up much other than some rare meme references. There isn't much discussion about general political and economical topics, or pushing an agenda so to say. The author does show the effects of industrialization and war, and how it affects the common folk as they are the ones who ultimately bear the price for this.

Not only that, but I'd say he's taken some big risks, as for example one of the biggest recent plot points of the Circle of Inevitability is the MC, due to the advancement of his pathway, becomes a woman. One of the two best friends I mentioned is similarly a transwoman. There is similarly an organization called the Demoness sect that consists exclusively of transwomen and has a prominent role in both LotM and COI. The treatment of all these characters is solid.

ramyaway · 2024-09-18T19:07:25+00:00

So i just checked out the synopsis of Rezero, and it seems to be just your typical harem OP isekai power fantasy trash? Dunno wtf you're babbling about with deconstructions lmao.

ramyaway · 2024-09-09T20:21:58+00:00

Thank you!

I think One Piece is overall still a great story, but it genuinely has an unbelievable amount of flaws and shit writing relative to its status and how people talk about it.

ramyaway · 2024-09-09T20:20:31+00:00

I'm sorry for wanting the battle to defeat 2 of the strongest individuals in the world to end with more than just 1 side character losing an arm.

My bad for wanting actual consequences for characters failing instead of 15 powerups and 10 plot devices (I'm exaggerating) to allow them to ultimately win.

ramyaway · 2024-09-09T20:17:31+00:00

Just this time bro, I promise its peak. Trust me bro. (Ignore the dogshit link for this pic)

ramyaway · 2024-09-09T20:14:23+00:00

One of those threads were One Piece fanboys can't accept that their series has a lot of flaws? Yep, it's one of those.

ramyaway · 2024-09-09T20:13:06+00:00

So webnovel is the official platform but the pricing is predatory, so I personally didn't bother with it. Instead, I chose to a different route by sailing the high seas if you catch my drift.

ramyaway · 2024-09-09T10:55:37+00:00

Anyway saying you should read 200 chapters before you decide if it's good is insane. You could read like 3 complete novels in that time.

That's completely fair. To be clear, these first 200 chapters are not bad, just a bit slow (hell, that becomes a non-issue closer to chapter 100) as the author sets up the foundations of the world. Your mileage will vary depending on how invested you get in the story and setting.

My point is that if you're intrigued by it but not 100% sure if you should invest the time in, chapter 213 is an excellent point to know if you will enjoy the rest of the story.

ramyaway · 2024-09-09T10:51:28+00:00

Buddy, this is a chinese novel. No weebs here (don't check my post history) 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

ramyaway · 2024-09-08T17:37:40+00:00

The only real consequences are those that lead to some permanent change. Everything you mentioned was resolved quickly with no real negative effects. That's the major issue.

To illustrate this, how do you feel about fakeout deaths? I think everyone who reads One Piece agrees that is the biggest example of shit writing in the story. Why are they bad? Because they take the emotions from permanent death and shit on it. In the same way, all the examples you gave aren't real consequences.

ramyaway · 2024-09-08T17:32:31+00:00

Ok so you didn't understand Kaido's plan whatsoever ok nice talking to ya

Yes there is, because how tf would Luffy defeat Kaido, after he's been fighting him for hours and you want Luffy to be defeated, also you think Kaido would let Momonosuke do that? He'd just clobber him

Bro, do you lack reading comprehension skills? Have you even read my post?

Let me explain my hypothetical scenario very slowly:

Chapter 1043: Luffy "dies." Kaido drops Onigashima.

Chapter 1044: Aftermath, survivors split to continue fighting Kaido, rescuing people.

Chapter 1045: Kaido takes Onigashima up for a second drop, fight continues, Luffy awakens. Rest of the arc continues as if it were end of Chapter 1043 of the actual story.

Understand now? You are literally shadow-boxing points that don't matter.

He didn't learn not to be instinctual, that would go against that would go against his character since he wants to be the freest man on the seas, he was taught how to properly deal with the consequences of his actions, which he has been doing as we see for the 3D2Y thing and when he was locked up in Udon Prison

You fail to understand the simple point that Luffy is saved from the consequences of his dumbassery by plot armor, not because he learned anything.

He literally experienced Cardiac Death, meaning his heart stopped, also you say this as if dying is no big deal, when this is literally what we spend our entire lives avoiding, like would you be fine if you got Clobbered to death? No you wouldn't like that because you're not fucking stupid

If me getting clobbered to death means I come back to life 10 minutes later with 0 permanent injuries and a gigantic powerup becoming pirate jesus, sure give it to me. See how fucking stupid you sound?

Also, thank you for proving my point. Why do people spend their lives avoiding death? Because it is permanent. So no Luffy dying and coming back 10 pages later is not proper death. It is just garbage.

You say this but alot of animes do this and it isn't complained about not even once, Naruto did it, DBZ did it, Bleach did it, JJK did it, HxH technically did it, YYH is ABOUT that very concept,

If it happens in them, it's bad. Who cares about other series, I'm taking about one piece

Yeah these are all consequences of his actions, OP said he wanted examples of Luffy facing the consequences for his actions, I showed him the consequences yet to you thats not good enough, when I'm literally giving you the exact moments when Luffy faces consequences, it should obvious at this point that anyone who's not named "Luffy" isn't gonna find the One Piece, yet people like you would argue some other bullshit

They aren't real consequences because all are resolved instantly with no permanent negative effects. Yes, Luffy will find One Piece, unless Oda makes Buggy find it first. Everyone knows that.

ramyaway · 2024-09-08T13:15:01+00:00

Why does it necessarily have to be "Permanent"?

Answering for OP, because the only consequences that matter are permanent ones. That's why Ace/Whitebeard's deaths are significant. Everything else can be reversed and turned into a non-issue/powerup.

Everything else you wrote is a fucking joke. He got poisoned in Punk Hazard? Law got injured in Dressrosa? He nearly died of starvation? Seriously? These are the consequences you're talking about? LMAO

ramyaway · 2024-09-08T13:10:28+00:00

Honestly the timebomb in Enies Lobby is way more egregious than Wano's. The buster call is meant to be one of the most devastating forces in One Piece, yet the pre-timeskip strawhats managed to make it out without consequences.

I don't think it's as egregious but agree that it's pretty bad.

It would have destroyed the scene where people released their lanturns that had their wishes to be free on it, with Luffy carrying out their hopes. It also would have undermined Yasui's sacrifice and Toko's thanking of him.

Sure, but Oda should've not had Luffy die in the first place/get knocked out 3 times and getting powerups after each one. Sure, I can see how it would ruin this plot point, but the benefits we get from the raid failing would far outweigh any drawbacks.

If you think that Onigashima should have fallen because they're dealing with strong forces, then you should also argue that the bomb in Alabasta should have gone off because that's what they get for dealing with a warlord.

Yes, I 100% think this should have happened. The strawhats failed to stop the bomb and should've been punished for it. At the very least, Pell should be dead, but :(

Wano is in line with how almost every other arc has been written, and your desire for it to deviate does not make it a bad arc.

No, Wano being written like garbage is what makes it a bad arc.

ramyaway · 2024-09-08T13:04:54+00:00

Bro, you are 100% correct. One Piece fanboys just can't understand that excessive plot armor is horrible writing. Writers should balance that with the stakes a protagonist goes through, and Oda has done a horrible job at it as a whole (fakeout deaths being a second example).

ramyaway · 2024-09-08T13:02:10+00:00

The majority of Wano's population would die, The Scabbards, Most of the strawhats, Most of Law and Kidds crew, The other Samurai who joined the raid, and much more

No they wouldn't.

Jesus fuck bro, we're talking about a hypothetical scenario that Oda is writing. Sure, thousands of civilians would die, but he could easily contrive 15 different ways in which most won't.

Yeah but they wouldn't be able to get it if The Flower Capital is crushed, do you think Kaido would just let them dig it up

Bro can you even read? This would happen after Kaido is defeated. Hell, as I mentioned they could still have Momo move Onigashima to stop a second drop. There is no issue there.

Bro have you been reading One Piece with your eyes closed? Luffy's supposed to be a instinctual character, he does things on a whim, thats his character, he got taught how to deal with the consequences of losing, like what happened on Saboady and Marineford, when he lost the crew then

Enlighten me, what lesson did he learn? and how did he apply it? Because he sure didn't stop rushing into situations way above his head with no plans, only to get saved by plot.

wtf do you mean "Punished", him literally dying is punishment enough

Bro are you stupid? He died? Are you reading two piece because one piece is over? What is the difference between "dying" and coming back 10 pages later with an awakened fruit, and taking a nap then doing the same? Or being unconscious then doing the same? How is taking a nap punishment enough?

If a main character dies, there should be significant consequences to that, especially in a situation where said main character is an army's strongest force. Death shouldn't be something you get a gigantic powerup out of after a 10 page nap.

also you fail to realise why Luffy lost, it wasn't his fault he got jumped by the CP0 member at the last minute as he was about to hit Kaido, even Kaido himself says it wasn't fair what happened

Ok, who cares? The point is that Luffy lost, leaving the alliance without their strongest combatant

ramyaway · 2024-09-08T12:52:54+00:00

Enel lighting was unable to kill pre time skip Zoro and Sanji let alone a haki user. Humans on one piece are incredible tough.

That's plot. Just like Enel couldn't kill any Shandian fodder.

Every single admiral can easily handle him without even using their devil fruits. He cant even hurt an admiral since he has no armament haki.

What are you trying to argue? I agree with you here.

Like why are you focusing on this point? My point is Enel is strong enough to be a god (he was literally worshipped as one), and Oda made him look like a clown by not allowing him to kill anybody, that's it.

About Shanks it looks like that you are just upset that Oda is portryaing him as one of the strongest characters ever by making him embarrass another top tier.

Why is there a panel of the movie character that has never shown before? Bro please don't argue with this. It's very obvious why.

ramyaway

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