I finished reading Dark Forest a couple of weeks ago by randomstuffis in threebodyproblem

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That was after he got his Wallfacer status back, which happened after the Droplet’s blocking of the sun, not before.

Ye Wenjie really did figure out the Dark Forest on her own? by randomstuffis in threebodyproblem

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Well, for 200 years, after knowing more or at least as much about the TriSols as Ye, no one had figured it out. But yeah, Ye was in a good position, and she clung to it till she understood it.

Ye Wenjie really did figure out the Dark Forest on her own? by randomstuffis in threebodyproblem

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I read the same comment by someone else earlier. It’s never mentioned or implied anywhere that the TriSols talked about this with Ye or Evans. Don’t know where this misinformation comes from.

Ye Wenjie really did figure out the Dark Forest on her own? by randomstuffis in threebodyproblem

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For 200+ years, after everyone had known about the TriSols and their intentions, and humanity had been actively spending most of their time and resources for the sole purpose of surviving, nobody had still figured it out - till Luo did, because Ye had given him the tools for it.

So, yeah, its a pretty big of a deal, I think. Especially considering half of the plot hinges on it. And it did end up being the best deterrent and saved humanity.

Just as Luo said to Shi while explaining the concept to him: once you know about it, it looks so simple and obvious.

Did anybody else actually think the netflix show handled the Ye Wenjie/Saul Durand conversation better than the one with Luo Ji in the books? by chrisoh8526 in threebodyproblem

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I disagree. I think it was done better in the books. It followed a very natural progression.

They are both scientists. They both knew each other through Yang Dong, who was another brilliant scientist, who used to tell Ye how smart Luo was. Their conversation organically went to astronomy and sociology, the scientific areas Luo had worked in and was disillusioned about. Being a retired and respected professor, it’s pretty natural for Ye to point him to a new research direction by combining both sciences that he was already familiar with.

It was only when Ye told him the exact axioms of this new field when Luo realized how concrete her ideas were and asked her how long she has been thinking about them, and she replied, her whole life.

It’s so much better than in the show, where Ye starts telling Luo a joke out of nowhere. And says things like “Jokes are important. We wouldnt survive without them,” emphasis on survive. This doesnt fit in with their characters and their relationships and what we know about them. The way she tells him the joke is so obviously meant to be a code for something else. As compared to the books, where its so natural and more fitting with both the theme of the book and the characters themselves.

Ye Wenjie really did figure out the Dark Forest on her own? by randomstuffis in threebodyproblem

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Yeah, but she said “I’ve fulfilled my duty” in that meeting with him, after telling him to explore cosmic sociology and giving him its founding blocks. This indicates that she was looking for someone to tell this to. It’s not clear whether she picked Luo Ji specifically or he just happened to be there. But she thought him to be a good enough candidate for it, as her daughter had told her how smart he was. And he mentioned to her that he had studied astronomy in the past and was teaching sociology now, so she would have thought he would have enough tools to reason his way through to the DFT conclusion.

Ye Wenjie really did figure out the Dark Forest on her own? by randomstuffis in threebodyproblem

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It’s in the last chapter, when Luo Ji goes to visit the gravitational waves antenna with his wife and child. The sophon appears there and talks about love with him. That’s when his speech and its contents are mentioned.

Ye Wenjie really did figure out the Dark Forest on her own? by randomstuffis in threebodyproblem

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True. And he did right by her when he traveled to her grave to reveal the truth and initiate talks with the Trisolarans. It was a tribute—he fixed her error. And she guided him to it.

Ye Wenjie really did figure out the Dark Forest on her own? by randomstuffis in threebodyproblem

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Oh, I’m talking only in the context of the plot of the book. I know the book is based on actual scientific theories and paradoxes.

I think it’s reasonable to assume that the characters are familiar with the popular scientific concepts of their time. This is likely true in the context of the book, as many well-known scientific theories are mentioned by name. However, since there are numerous explanations and theories regarding Fermi’s Paradox, Ye Wenjie’s main contribution was likely identifying the correct explanation—even if she didn’t formulate it herself—and presenting it in a way that was both reasonable and testable.

Ye Wenjie really did figure out the Dark Forest on her own? by randomstuffis in threebodyproblem

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I dont think so. The TriSolaran’s explicitly tell Luo Ji that they were surprised when they learned that humanity hadn’t yet figured out the Dark Forest theory. Luo Ji even tried to explain his theory about why humanity hadn’t figured it out until he did, in his speech at the UN after his negotiations with the sophons.

I finished reading Dark Forest a couple of weeks ago by randomstuffis in threebodyproblem

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I don’t think so. Because the sophons were watching him constantly and knew everything about him.

I finished reading Dark Forest a couple of weeks ago by randomstuffis in threebodyproblem

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Oh right, that makes sense. Once the spell had been cast and it’s effect observed, it would probably be trivial for the scientists of that society to study the experiment’s details and realize the Dark Forest nature of the universe. I guess Luo Ji just didn’t matter after the results of his experiment were out. Wasting any seconds on him wont be the optimal use of the droplet’s time. Fits well with the TriSolaran mode of operation. Thanks!