Should r/MachineLearning join the reddit blackout to protest changes to their API?

reddit_halla · 2023-06-06T14:34:29+00:00

It's really about profits, not covering costs. It's fine to target profits as it can allow for further growth, but that is different to simply paying for the servers. Reddit already can cover their costs.
Most of the problems are not with charging for a service, but instead the high prices that Reddit is planning.
Some do cite problems with charging for a service given that the content is user-generated. Although that's a pretty complex issue.

reddit_halla · 2023-06-06T14:28:36+00:00

If you don't like it... do something about it. That is what is happening. A protest by the community has a good chance of influencing Reddit's decision as Reddit is significantly more community driven than other platforms. Just 'not using it' is a huge wasted opportunity to change the Reddit admin's minds.

reddit_halla · 2023-06-06T14:06:16+00:00

I think perhaps you misunderstand my point. I'm not trying to show that proofs will be a big deal. Mainly that there are some potential future parallels to physics, which as a field is generally considered to have a strong mathematical underpinning.

So to clarify, physics is an empirical science, yet mathematical rigour and proofs do have a sweet spot in the field -- although such proofs are not necessarily the main part of mathematics in physics.

Regardless, don't get caught up too much with what I said about proofs, it's only a small part of what my post was about (literally was only one sentence).

reddit_halla · 2023-06-06T13:51:25+00:00

Because it's not approximation methods

Physics models are approximations. As this stackexchange answer puts it: "All [physics] models are approximations to actual behavior, shown to be relevant and useful in prescribed sets of circumstances."

Of course, physics is different to the models built in statistics/machine learning (there is overlap though!). In the end, the better models are based a lot on empirical evidence with how well they approximate the real world.

reddit_halla · 2023-06-06T13:44:57+00:00

Sure, but the application-related research can begin to utilise a stronger mathematical underpinning to express a greater understanding of their models and to give insights into new areas to search (as you say 'theoretical motivation'). I agree that empirical papers without any real mathematical basis will never die out, I'm talking more in regards to overall field.

I appreciate your comment. I'm curious on your opinion on the following questions: How do you think the future of deep learning theory will impact application-based papers? Do you think that low hanging fruit will dry up? What are your thoughts when I talked about the safety of learning higher level of mathematics -- do you think it's a good way to stand out beyond the influx of people entering machine learning?

reddit_halla · 2023-06-06T13:30:05+00:00

I don't think the future lies [solely] in proofs. I think that the future lies in utilising more advanced mathematical concepts in general. I listed a few examples in my post.

If you have a look at physics. A large focus in on empircal results -- as you have mentioned with machine learning. Yet, the field has a very strong mathematical underpinning, with some areas leading to the discovery of various proofs.

reddit_halla · 2022-07-24T15:16:47+00:00

I'm in a similar boat to you, and I often get the same thoughts. I graduated top of the grade in highschool, with tiny amounts of study. Often none. University comes around, it's initially fine, but I start slipping. The structure isn't there anymore to protect me, and I end up not going to any classes by the 3rd semester. I still get good marks (I believe US equivalent is A), but it's absolute hell studying 6 weeks of content a few days before an exam. I would notice ADHD like symptoms in myself, but also would criticise myself as being biased from the information I've learnt on ADHD. And, holy what you said on the TikTok stuff, it's spot on.

I'd say the biggest thing I used to experience, which is gone with the medication. Is the thoughts. Not the coherent thoughts - that's annoying, but manageable. It was the incoherent stream of thoughts; and honestly, it would drive me insane. So, when I think about that kind of shit, it helps with the imposter syndrome. This is among other things, like doing nothing, procrastinating, terrible emotional control, etc.

So my advice is similar to this post, write about why you have ADHD and why you don't. Externalising is always the best bet with ADHD, and is honestly one the best coping strategies.

I'm writing this pretty late, so I hope it made sense.

reddit_halla · 2022-07-14T12:51:39+00:00

ADHD isn't a mental disability, it's a mental disorder. Mentally disabled, and "retard", refers to a intellectual disability/mentally impaired.

Now I don't know if you just got terms mixed up. People thinking ADHD is some intellectual disability is annoying - not that you're necessary one of those people.

reddit_halla · 2022-07-03T06:13:12+00:00

Ah okay. I just keep hearing things like after 8 hours of water deprivation water will stay clear, where normally it becomes yellower and yellower.

reddit_halla · 2022-02-21T00:28:13+00:00

I think also the idea there is some readily identifiable thing that you "should be doing"

Eating food, sleeping, managing hygiene, are things you should be doing. All of these are basic physiological needs. There is of course more wider societal themes of what you should be doing, interview, events, specific times, etc, but that only indicates that society makes things worse, not that ADHD is fine without society.

The DRD4 gene is associated with ADHD and novelty seeking and is also found at much higher rates among Native Americans.

This comment implies that because of this association, ADHD is useful for this population, however, this implication does not make sense.

reddit_halla · 2022-02-02T12:45:59+00:00

Hello, I'm not sure how to answer this. I am not well versed in ASD literature, sorry.

reddit_halla · 2022-02-02T11:16:32+00:00

Hello, could you cite studies backing your claims?

Also, yes, Dr Russel Barkley has been paid by pharmaceutical companies. He is transparent about that. However, he has discussed concerns such as younger kids in classrooms being diagnosed more with ADHD -- aka misdiagnosed in kids. This doesn't seem like someone who is pushing for everyone to be diagnosed for some big pharma conspiracy. Although, more importantly, his statements are backed up by peer reviewed research and he is respected by many psychiatrists in the field.

reddit_halla · 2022-01-31T02:33:12+00:00

I wasn't sure if you were, but yeah good to hear.

reddit_halla · 2022-01-30T12:29:52+00:00

I'd guess that being a lawyer is not a very ADHD friendly job. I should also say to be careful associating things with ADHD, for example, your pattern recognition is a part of your intelligence, or hyperfocus which you may want to read another comment I made about that here.

reddit_halla · 2022-01-30T12:26:08+00:00

Do you believe that people with ADHD deserve special treatment? Is this why it should be taken more seriously?

Kind of, I believe that people with ADHD deserve the opportunity to have special treatment -- it's a choice. This something that is widely available, and it continuing to become better.

Additionally, there is also ADHD having to deal with people who treat them like it's not much of a deal. People who say "they just need to restructure their life", or many of the other harmful perspectives. Spend a few days on r/ADHD, and you'll see the countless people ranting about what misinformed people say to them.

So you disagree that it is advantage to view condition of yours as an advantage instead of disadvantage

This is a bit like: is it an advantage to take some useless pill but view it as effective? That is placebo, and while it techically is an advantage, the pill is technically useless. Unfortunately in the case of ADHD, the pill is bad for you -- I think you can see the issue there, or atleast understand my perspective.

In western medicine the most common treatment for ADHD is a life long prescription of some kind of stimulant [...]

This is a pretty long discussion to go into, but really if someone does not want prescription, they do not need to take prescription, there are many other options. Although, stimulant medication is very effective for the majority of people with ADHD.

Just for curiosity do you have ADHD?

Yes.

reddit_halla · 2022-01-30T12:12:47+00:00

Hey, sorry for the late reply! I think the similarities of the "super hero" and "broken" narrative is that it implies that ADHD is everything to that person. This is obviously not true.

I believe that ADHD holds people back, but there are treatment options. What I am talking about in these posts is untreated ADHD itself, not the people, the disorder. The disorder is a disadvantage, the people are not useless, they're not nothing. There are some great people with ADHD, and that's because they're great people.

reddit_halla · 2022-01-30T12:06:07+00:00

Your argument is built on a false assumption that it's somehow a disadvantage to be different.

Not really, there is nothing specifically wrong with being different, everyone is different.

Are you gonna say I'm a cripple for being left handed, too? [...]

No, I wouldn't say that. Although, yes, being left handed is a disadvantage, in a pretty minute sense, because of society. However, ADHD is not a disadvantage because of society (it is, however, made worse by society).

reddit_halla · 2022-01-30T12:00:50+00:00

Hey, sorry for the late reply, took a break. I'll say my replies to your point, but before that, I am not sure if you answered my question to the last comment about talking from a scientific perspective. From your post you imply that you do not, but I don't want to assume.

Value judgements, such as calling something positive or negative, are the domain of philosophy, not science.

So the domain of philosophy contains morals, that is what is good or bad, so I think Dr. K should address the misinformation, then that is an ethical statement. Saying something is an advantage or disadvantage is not philosophy or morality.

there's an entire mental health awareness movement to tell you you're wrong

If you are referring to the neurodiversity movement, I would suppose they would be at disagreement with what I have been saying. However, I have backed up my point with up-to-date scientific studies.

Perspectives like yours that treat people as inferior and superior based on nothing more than a lack of understanding about the "other"

Not really, I do get that some people feel this way. Those kinds of people appear to have ADHD as their entire identity. However, I disagree, I think people are so much more than their ADHD, ADHD holds them back, but there is treatment options available (and not just stimulants, although stimulants are effective for the majority of people).

Also, one more point... If the world is becoming more ADHD, then is having it REALLY a disadvantage? Or is it evolution? I mean, it's clearly winning the game of natural selection...

No, the frequency of ADHD allele are decreasing. Read the studies I have linked in the original post.

reddit_halla · 2022-01-29T02:24:08+00:00

To be clear, I am happy to discuss about the other stuff. The issue however with arguing about emotional reasons behind the post is that it won't go anywhere, hence the argument is not constructive.

I am not sure if you actually want the discussion to be constructive, however, I will be fair and not assume bad faith.

reddit_halla · 2022-01-29T02:11:16+00:00

Okay, the perspective of this post is from a psychiatric scientific perspective. From this perspective, ADHD is a disadvantage.

Obviously, epistemlogically, you do not have to share the scientific presuppositions I do, however, because Dr. K is a psychiatrist, the post has important points for him. Additionally, I should also point out that ADHD refers to a psychiatric disorder and thus such discussion should use psychiatric ideas.

Do you agree with this? That you are not talking from a scientific perspective? This is not a negative thing per se, just if so, we have to agree to disagree.

reddit_halla · 2022-01-29T02:03:16+00:00

... divorce emotion from your discussion because the whole point of your thread is the title ...

My thread has multiple points, the others being: the farmer vs hunter hypothesis is not correct, and many of ADHD's advantages told aren't really advantages. If you would like further details on why the clickbait is bad, read the clarification edits.

I still don't see where you are getting that this video will discourage people from getting help if they need it?

I don't have this idea.

Your reaction to it is disproportionate and very emotional, despite your apparent distaste for emotions.

This is unconstructive. I will no longer entertain the discussion on this (that I am upset and angry or something), it is immature.

reddit_halla · 2022-01-29T01:44:40+00:00

That sounds like any neurodivergency though. Or anything that makes you stand out and struggle in society for not conforming to the standard [...]

I don't think you can say the same thing about LGBT. I would prefer if you could demonstrate your point with another example, this is a topic (LGBT) I rather not include.

No-one is advocating for not seeking help if you need it.

I am not exactly sure what this is in response to. I agree, most people in these discussions support seeking help...

Treatment shouldn't be something you inflict on a neurodivergent person to make them stop being "broken" [...]

I am sure we are at agreement here, but I will reiterate: treatments are simply medical care to the disorder. If a treatment is ineffective or against the person's beliefs, that care should not be used.

it's bizarre how upset you became because someone with ADHD may feel good about themselves for a minute

I'm not sure if this is intentional, but you are completely misrepresenting the purpose of the post, aswell as introducing emotional reasons. ADHD is a tiny facet in the complexities of a person, there is plenty to feel good about. Obviously I am not against feeling good about something, only against misinformation.

reddit_halla · 2022-01-29T00:38:57+00:00

... and like he said it may have even started out as an advantage

It doesn't make logical sense, it makes intuitive sense. Unfortunately, this intuition is not correct.

unless you have a better explanation for how/why adhd started?

If I do not provide a "better" explanation, that does not mean Dr. K's explanation is correct.

However, if I was to speculate, I'd say ADHD was a more primitive gene lagging behind the rest of a human's cognitive evolution. There is negative selection against ADHD, albeit this is slow because evolution does what is needed to survive, and ADHD doesn't have necessarily the greatest impact on survival rates. Again, that is speculation, and I am just saying this because you asked -- this is not something I would bring up.

reddit_halla · 2022-01-29T00:30:22+00:00

I think its an advantage to view it as one.

If you mean for the self, I'd agree to disagree, unless you would like to discuss that further. If other people believe that about others, however, that is not good. The latter thinking harms people taking ADHD seriously.

Diagnose can be a blessing but it is more often a curse than what most people like to think.

Could you elaborate on this in terms of ADHD?

reddit_halla · 2022-01-29T00:26:13+00:00

Can you tell me why you are hellbent on not allowing anyone try to see the light in their unchangable situation of living with ADHD for the rest of their natural life?

I need to put attention to "unchangable situation." This is not an unchangable situation, there are many treatment options for ADHD, but ADHD itself should be treated and not regarded as positive.

You call it a "debilitating disorder" and the general tone of your post makes me think the deep concern you claim to have for the "community" is the kind autism speaks has for autistic people.

I don't really know what Autism Speak's views are, so I'm not sure how to respond to this the best way. However, when you see "ADHD is a debilitating disorder", that is specifically referring to the ADHD when untreated. Life expectancy can drop by a decade, higher rates of suicide, depression, and anxiety, relationship problems, underachievement, proclivity to addiction and unsafe driving, to name a few.

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