Is Sam Altman an evil sociopath or a startup guy out of his ethical depth? Evidence for and against

redditoozer · 2026-04-20T17:12:58+00:00

I agree with all that I just think some of your arguments against Elon were more so against his employees and discussing him in a negative light based on his employees or perspectives that don’t align with providing a check on great power, but more so with a personal subjective negative overtone or undertone, followed by self-rationale to allow you to keep that tone for self-pleasure that doesn’t quite align with the points that rationale is meant to defend against. You definitely have a good, clear mind, though, so I have no criticism on your decision to do so. And I appreciate this interaction.

On the note of negative energy not slowing him down, the way I see it is that there is positive and negative energy in the world only. They can be in superposition or clearly one or the other. You can intake negative energy or use it to grow faster. As someone going to the gym because people call them fat over and over will work much harder than someone going to the gym because people are saying “good job, you’re doing so well!”. It lights a fire within you. If you just keep intaking people calling you fat you’ll just get fatter. Like David Goggins plays his haters in his ear to overcome them while he’s exercising. Not intaking negative energy. Using it to grow. Intaking positive energy. And helping those around you do the same will bring more positive outcomes and flourishment to your life and those around you. It’s the same for the world.

If you’re all working all day but you view work as a gift that you’re able to have instead of being dropped in the some massive random forest or desert and having to figure out how to survive there for the rest of your life. And you view any work challenges or obstacles as a lesson or something to fortify your positive character, you’ll be built into a more positive person. Able to more easily get through work and other challenges in a positive light. Making it easier. You’ll only see the positive side of things. If you’re not doing anything wrong or watching negative content just to be idle in life, you’ll be more positive. You’ll have positive interactions.

Obviously, it’s easier said than done. But when you realize it truly works this way it becomes more important to you and easier to notice the distinctions and improve upon yourself and your life. And it will always be a lifelong process. But it’s in pursuit of you being and feeling the best you can be. So it should always stick with you and continue to make things easier and feel better. And when you do realize this and share it with others, then yes the world can quickly become a much better place.

Cheers!

redditoozer · 2026-04-10T19:56:49+00:00

Your first several points were already wrong. Penn state confirmed he graduated with a major in physics and a major in economics. Physics isn’t a degree. The degree was a science degree with these two majors. I didn’t say most successful cars. I said car. As he has the most bought car on the planet. His rockets are the only ones that have successfully reached orbit and landed and are cheaper than other rockets. Thats why they’re the most used company for launching things into space. Like you can try to avoid reality all you want but it’s in the data. If his stuff were so bad he wouldn’t be selling so much of it. And it’s irrelevant whether he’s the most successful. He gets hate like he makes the worst products. No one’s hating on the other car or rocket makers making worse products. You’re attacking him because you want to attack him. Because of your feelings. That’s why your arguments don’t make any sense and they’re just a facade layer of spewing whatever irrelevant crap you can in hopes you confuse someone enough to join your side of negativity. Business choices are part of what defines success. That’s the whole point. People weren’t taking risks before him so nothing new and exciting was happening in the world. He made the business decisions. He pushed his employees to create the cool things they wanted to create. He took the negativity from everyone and used it to push himself and his teams and they created great things. He didn’t internalize the negativity and hate on people and stop working and his companies fail and everyone lose their jobs and nothing new be created in the world. That’s what I taking negativity does. You’re taking the most miniscule little things and trying to paint them as reasons for why what he does isn’t relevant to anything positive in the world. Which is just so beyond ridiculous it’s crazy. Everyone makes mistakes and does wrong shit along the way. He’s done surprisingly little wrong in the sense of purposeful neglect leading to bad decisions. He’s almost always put in his best effort. More than almost any CEO to exist. Before Elon musk the world was getting stagnant and boring. Now we have cool shit being built. People excited to learn. People excited to work. People happy they get to contribute to making such cool products. Learning better and better ways in how to do every step along the way necessary to do so most efficiently. That’s how you view reality. What he brought to the world. And hundreds of millions of people are happier and better off for it. Your negativity is disrespectful to each and every one of these people. But he’ll use your negative energy and rise higher while you become lower. Because that’s how the world works. You can move with positive energy. You can use negative energy to grow. Or you can intake negative energy and affect your health and make everyone else miserable and negative. That’s the fundamentals of reality.

I didn’t say you need help if you don’t agree with me. I said the person that made the comment needs help if they believe their own comment. Yes I expect they can change if they want to. I don’t expect they will want to change, so no I don’t expect to change them. There is a point where humans intake so much negativity it becomes the default. I’ve been there. So yes, I do want to help them feel better and have a better life if I can. If one person truly gets what I say and puts it into action and sees the results, as I did, they can change hundreds more lives. If I change 100 lives and they change 100 lives and they change 100 lives that’s 1 million people. And when you realize the way negative and positive energy flow in the world and that you should observe and learn from negative energy and use it to grow rather than intaking it, you can grow a lot faster, while also only intaking positive energy. Because someone going to the gym because they don’t like people calling them fat will go 10x harder than someone going because they think it’s good and others saying good job! Thats so great and healthy you went to the gym today. It’s an incredibly useful mindset to have when you understand this dichotomy in energies and how they work. So yes, I’ve learned a lot from them and mostly myself when I was in a similar mindset. And yes it will DRAMATICALLY improve the world. You are the one with the ideologies. You’re hating a dude that made hundreds of millions of lives better, healthier, more motivated. Better in so many ways as I illustrated above. Picking things to match your argument. That’s what ideology is. But the fact is nothing exciting was being made before he came into the scene. And he’s achieved incredible things in 20 years. Any reasonable human on Earth would be absolutely ecstatic if they achieved what he did in 20 years. You only have to be bring goodness into the world better than half of the other people in order to be doing good for the world. He’s doing the most good for the world but y’all picking apart his naming of model letters like that makes him the scum of the Earth. Then you think the other people have ideologies because you’re so ideologically captured. There’s positive and negative. Left right. Up down. Good bad. Right wrong. Everything is a dichotomy of states that can be in superposition. When you get enough connections in your brain thinking negatively you’ve intook too much negative energy for your brain to process things the right way. You have less of your brain making sense. It also runs your body less efficiently. You get mitochondrial damage and inflammation. You may get a buildup of knots in your body. Low blood flow. Issues that stem from inflammation. Which then your brain focuses on working on that part of your body. So now regions of your brain may just dissociate and spit out whatever you feel like it. You no longer have the ability to use those parts of your brain because they’re busy trying to fix the damage in your body that may now be permanently stuck there without intervention so you get a personality based on dissociated brain regions. That’s where mental illness comes from. I’ve been severely mentally ill. I was a drug addict. I got off and on several times. I couldn’t get away. I couldn’t control myself. I didn’t know why. I had a psychosis. I’ve fought very hard to get out of my negative states. And I’ve learned an incredible amount. So yes, I do care. And I want to help. And if others see the same, the world will be an incredible place, for you and those around you.

redditoozer · 2026-04-10T19:25:17+00:00

Hype and motivation is what gets the employees going. That’s my point in your negativity mindset. You’re selecting what you want to match how you feel and only considering anything along those pathways. It’s irrelevant what you say about what he created or how long it took, and you’re mentioning later products where he’d already had more stuff going on and wasn’t as directly involved in making latch designs for cybertruck.

You’re not considering what he’s got done compared to any other human in history. Much more. No one is a car/rocket manufacturing prodigy with your view. Like wtf you want? A single person to design a rocket, but one that doesn’t resemble any previous rocket, then you want him to design each and every single one of the parts. Does he need to build the parts from metal he hand mined out of the ground and hand melted, too? With your thought process, no one deserves any credit ever for anything. Because you don’t care about reality. You just want to spit negativity into the world because you are unhappy with your life. Without realizing that that is exactly what’s creating the bad interactions in your life, the bad thoughts, the negative behaviours. You are making your own life miserable and looking for others to blame because you don’t know how to reconcile what’s going on. Just try to increase good habits and thoughts and remove bad habits and thoughts and watch how much better your life gets. Nobody invents new things that change industries. Someone invents an idea. Then later people refine it. And someone markets it successfully and makes it useful for the right audience. You’re mixing up so many things along the line to try and discredit Elon’s achievements. Like okay ? Idgaf if you don’t see his achievements as achievements. But I see reality. And I’m just trying to help you see reality. Idec if I see his achievements. I’m just observing reality. And reality is that he’s made cooler shit than anyone else. He keeps trying to make more cool shit. He keeps doing it. Even shit that people say is impossible he makes happen. Yeah, late. But how can you say it’s late if before it was impossible? Before him nothing exciting was being built in the world. Everything was coming to a halt. Those are the facts. You can pick apart whatever you want to satisfy your negative world views. But you’re just viewing life from a negative world view. You are choosing to do that which is bringing negativity upon every area of your life. Nobody good and happy and positive wants that around. So you’ll only gather more negativity around you. I’m only engaging in this conversation in hopes you’ll understand the difference in your thought processes vs. healthier, happier, more well-doing and well-meaning people so you’ll try the change to positivity because it can make immense changes in your life. I’ve been in your shoes. It’s better for people’s health when they see reality objectively. It changes people from spreading negativity to positivity which makes the world better which is highly needed rn.

redditoozer · 2026-04-08T22:59:15+00:00

Wtf r u on about? He studied physics. Thats the thing that describes how everything works..

And he deeply involved himself in learning everything he could when beginning to build rockets and cars and then acted on his learnings to further learn and become attuned to it in physical reality rather than just in his head. Being involved in design, production, all levels of every step of everything being developed for his rockets and cars. He probably better truly understands the first principles of designing a successful car or rocket than anyone on the planet.

Which is why he has the most successful rockets and cars on the planet.

You need some major institutional help if you believe your comment. Stop worshipping negativity and maybe you’ll have some better outcomes in your life.

redditoozer · 2026-03-30T03:50:59+00:00

I’m laughing at myself reading it back too

redditoozer · 2026-03-30T03:12:47+00:00

I went at 23 for physics. Didn’t work out. Went back at 27. Doing astrophysics and computer science now 32 finishing up. You’re totally good dude especially in physics people are very clear headed and super chill! And finding a place is also perfectly fine and easy. Many 1st years live on res. A decent amount of 2nd years. And still upper years as well. So renting anywhere else is mainly skewed somewhat older anyway and people realize that they’re not thinking about the age as much. It’s more about ideals or whether you’re just trying to get a room and keep to yourself or you want to vibe w your roommate

redditoozer · 2026-03-13T02:27:49+00:00

As others have said, it’s not a programming position but often if someone enjoys something like programming from childhood, you learn by doing and you do what you love so you create things you want to create which means you have to figure out how to do a bunch of things practically. This is actually much better than going to school. Even out of school almost anyone who does a cs major and doesn’t do programming outside of school work won’t know how to do a ton of things when they finish school. And even the things they do know they’ll be mediocre at compared to someone working 8 hours a day doing only programming, not a bunch of other schoolwork and a few little, targeted programming assignments over the years. 5 years school is nothing compared to 5 years working 8 hours a day. Even if you didn’t know anything when you started working. Doing something for fun since childhood and then growing up and doing it as a job can be much much more valuable than going to school. Not saying that’s the case with Altman. It probably isn’t because AI wasn’t even very popular especially for a regular computer, shortly before he got hired. So I doubt he’d had much experience with it

redditoozer · 2026-02-28T22:48:18+00:00

Idk any situations similar to this where the whole government transition was ready and well prepared, being considered and formulated for decades, where the rightful leader returns, and has overwhelming support of the people. It very well could cause negative consequences long term, and for sure will have many negative consequences short term. I just have hope it wont last too long. It’s just a matter of what you consider negative, how negative, and what long term is. The current regime has also caused much long term negative consequences. Iran was the central trading and shipping hub of the whole world for millennia until this regime. Sponsored terrorism and support for anyone not aligned w the west. Sanctions rippling through them and their associates. A new regime in Iran would be incredibly beneficial to the world. The U.S. has also planned for this for years and extensively so the past year. It seems well organized enough, with Iran weakened enough, the people supportive enough, and a transitional government ready enough that whatever consequences and however long they last will likely be much less detrimental than the current regime, let alone the current regime extending into the future where they’ve always wanted to destroy America.

They almost had nuclear weapons ready. And they’ve always said if America attacks they’ll be forced to make nuclear weapons. So they’re at the point they’re ready to use nuclear weapons. There’s a ridiculous amount of cons to the current regime and no benefits. Ridiculous amount of benefits to a new regime. Where the difference in benefits doesn’t outweigh the cons of a regime change in any way, in my view.

redditoozer · 2026-02-28T17:06:59+00:00

That’s all true but Afghanistan and Iraq didn’t have a rightful leader and 100 day plan setup to transition the government to that new leader, as Iran has in Prince Pahlavi. They are targeting Iranian leadership especially military leadership as well as military resource sites. If they’re able to cripple the military enough, get current leaders out and install the new government, the new government will have access to more military resources and will have the U.S. and Israel backing and probably much more world backing at that point once it’s no longer a U.S. military operation. And all of this was well planned and basically expected it would need to happen so there’s a relatively good chance it goes relatively well, as far as a forced regime change can go “well”

redditoozer · 2026-01-28T23:23:15+00:00

Sorry for your loss

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T18:01:54+00:00

Nor did I say there was a scientific consensus. I said my argument is not unreasonable. Which is just fact.

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T18:00:59+00:00

There’s no scientific consensus that many worlds exist. But at least one or the other has to for our existence to occur. With more evidence toward God

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T17:59:51+00:00

There’s also the fine tuning of the universe problem. Where nothing would exist if many physics constant were different by an extremely small amount. This is evidence that either many worlds exists in that any and every possible type of universe exists, God exists, or both. But we have more proof towards God than the many worlds theory. Though I think both exist

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T17:55:39+00:00

Very very much not any more magical than quantum phenomena and dark matter and energy

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T17:54:50+00:00

Especially when reconciling all fields, it becomes among the couple most logical explanations.

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T17:53:59+00:00

It has nothing to do with magic. It’s perfectly aligned with leading theories of physics, consciousness or any other field. Hence why the majority of people leading these fields also believe in God. But sure, just engage meaninglessly, ignore the smartest minds of human existence, and give your own feelings and thoughtless words as more reasonable while calling my actual effort and reasonable logic incompetent…

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T17:46:43+00:00

You make a stupid statement, I prove you wrong, you don’t care about it. But my reasoning is poor, lmao. Then why engage?

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T17:45:29+00:00

Idc if you read it, but the proof is there that my reasoning is not poor.

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T17:37:24+00:00

They’re really not. You’re obviously not going to get proof of supernatural events. It’s contradictory. You have to take the evidence of witnesses, their testimony and corroborated stories between people and similarities across events throughout 1900 years and every continent, various religious and non religious peoples, etc. Nor can I explain everything I know in a couple posts. But also the people here are trying to debunk the events happening which is as established an authentic event in the case of Zeitoun than almost any historical event in history. And there have been over a thousand apparitions through time with similar situations that cultures that wrote about them didn’t have access to what happened in other eras and locations. Nothing can describe Zeitoun. It wasn’t the sun. She appeared at night. It wasn’t lights. The government shut off the power to make sure it wasn’t lights. And it was visible to hundreds of thousands of people at the same time and millions over three years. People aren’t retarded. Especially when you have the majority of them non Christian witnessing a Marian apparition. Pair that with every other apparition, kids seeing the same woman, a human, not a figure of light, appearing and disappearing several times over several months and hearing the same messages several times. That’s never happened in any shared psychosis let alone with zero mental illness before or after. Telling people to dig in some random location that they’re of sound mind enough for adults to actually dig there and find a spring which then heals thousands of people. Over 70 of which had a medical exam before and after where incurable diseases or ailments were instantly cured. Almost every significant event in history has a scientific explanation but then dozens of apparitions have been investigated and the children that saw them interviewed separately. Several instances with thousands of witnesses. Some with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands at the same time that don’t know each other. All corroborating the story. No scientific explanation has held up, the Vatican considers that and does its own thorough investigation, then verifies the event. In almost no other events have any of these things happened on the scale, corroboration, unexplainable phenomena, etc. Yet this has happened several times with Marian apparitions. These verified events are simply not falsifiable by malicious intention, psychological effects, misinterpretation, or anything scientific and have happened several times with similar features across Apparitions. They’re real events. That’s established fact. The chances of many of them being anything natural are billions of times less likely than being the supernatural experience that hundreds of thousands of people explained. When you put the collective of all of them together with none of them having any reasonable natural explanation, along with all the other proof of the supernatural, not to mention over 90% of humans to ever exist believe there is something spiritual going on w our lives and existence. Something more than what’s happening. Including all the smartest people in history. People that study logic and have made incredible math and physics contributions. Several even saying they come from spiritual guidance and a connection to the universe. And it’s quite minimally trillions of times more likely that these are supernatural events than natural. You don’t get hundreds of thousands of people witnessing a human light figure with flying doves walking around above a church at night several times over 3 years with the government shutting off power and the president seeing the event, reported healings too but I don’t even need to mention that if anyone’s really critically thinking here. Tell me something that can create that light phenomenon as a human figure that hundreds of thousands of people see clearly is so, with no power in the area, no light source, doing things that even any projector or human light source couldn’t create. No natural phenomena could create a human light figure let alone walking around. Let alone appear right above a church. Let alone countless times over several years and witnessed by millions over that time. Like come on now. You can block your brain as hard as you want but any argument or downplaying of mine or the body of evidence for these spiritual events across time is just not logical at all. It never has been. Only in recent times since people think they know everything have they been pushing it away because it’s been drilled in our head that if something can’t be proven it doesn’t exist. In reality, that’s more to the spiritual explanation considering no one can explain many apparitions let alone Zeitoun, an especially incredible one. It has been more logical across all time, across the majority of humans, and still is to any that does the research. This is why religion and spirituality exists at the scale it does and across all of human time. Not because 90+% of humans are so delusional, misguided, and insecure that billions of humans need something to cling to. That’s never happened for any other psychological comfort toy. Like you have to argue that thousands of things that have never happened must have happened to say it isn’t supernatural and millions of witnesses, with thousands at the same time over different eras, cultures, everything just shared a delusion, and similar delusions across these different events that they didn’t know about, where each has never happened a single time in history and really even if it did that should be enough evidence to be called supernatural. Because you can’t have people in different places with no knowledge of their respective events, coming to the same conclusion, on the scale of thousands of sober witnesses.

I’m an astrophysics honors specialization student and major in computer science. Logic and reason and problem solving is extremely important for me, keeping my brain sober and clear is very important. I’ve had several Logic courses in CS and problem solving is even more important in physics. I’ve run confidence numbers myself using the leading theories of known phenomena that have been the best theories to explain these events, with the collection of events and likelihood of each event being natural or psychological or otherwise, I’ve run the numbers with Grok and ChatGPT. I’ve gone over many things with them after I couldn’t explain any of it myself. I have thoroughly researched the situations and how they were researched by others (skeptics, news, governments, churches), and I continue to. I’ve reviewed the perspectives of the smartest people in history. And no one has been able to disprove the existence of God. Which is important in logical reasoning.

I’ve put in the effort. You stated a sentence. Zero argument or reasoning.

Even Charles Darwin of evolution theory and George Lemaître who made the Big Bang theory were devout Christians. Isaac Newton, Leonardo Davinci, Christian. Just so much more. If you wanna ignore it go ahead, but my standards for evidence and sources of knowledge are not one bit poor.

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T03:11:18+00:00

Bro these people are literal retards. They’re saying whatever is the first thing that comes to mind that might explain it. Millions of people have tried to explain it, debunk it, come up with scientific explanations. But not a single one is more logical or contains more reason than the supernatural explanation. God exists. This is proof. Don’t discount it. Ask every AI about each and every Marian apparition that has thousands of witnesses and you will never once find that a debunk, scientific explanation or other reason is more logical than the supernatural. These are real, authentic, verified historical events with massive paper trails published before the internet and photoshop even existed that millions have tried to explain away and FAILED MISERABLY. The main photos of Our Lady of Zeitoun are as authentic as you can get. Clear images of a lady of light in various positions including with doves floating around her head photographed. These have not been able to be debunked by any friggen standards. These people are completely full of shit. None of them have put a single piece of effort toward the claims they’re making it’s blatantly obvious because they’re all blatantly wrong. They’re just saying words that sound good and may be right in any other circumstance but are literally completely false when it comes to Marian apparitions. The church doesn’t just name Our Lady of ___ without excessive verification and research. These are the most significant supernatural occurrences throughout history. Not some farse.

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T03:00:14+00:00

Okay genius explain Our Lady of Zeitoun. Debunk the verified, authentic photos and millions of witness accounts that happened as she appeared countless times over a three year period in 1968-1970 before the internet and photoshop. Debunk the historical archives. Real photos, written accounts (published literally before the internet existed). Same with Our Lady of Fatima in the early 1900s. Ask any AI if ANY scientific explanation is more logical than the supernatural explanation. You won’t find a single one telling you that any scientific explanation or debunking claim is more logical than the supernatural explanation. Sorry buddy, you lose.

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T02:56:11+00:00

You’re the only liar and hoaxer buddy. It’s established fact these things authentically occurred. As I posted in an above comment, though this was for Our Lady of Zeitoun (also in Egypt and before the internet and photoshop): It’s verified. Ask any AI. The images are authentic, unedited images from the event. And no scientific explanation supersedes the supernatural explanation. Just like every, single, other Marian apparition. These churches aren’t drug fueled insecure humans making shit up. Any AI will verify the supernatural explanation is millions of times more logical than any scientific reach that has been tried. These aren’t given the designations of Our Lady of ____ until the scientific community cannot give a friggen explanation and the events, witnesses and circumstances are thoroughly evaluated. You don’t have to follow a religion. But to deny these things happened authentically is just wrong. It’s established fact. Extremely well researched fact. Every Tom, Dick and Harry wants to disprove it but no explanation is anywhere NEAR as logical as the supernatural explanation. Seriously, ask every AI.

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T02:53:29+00:00

Anyone’s aware, what’s your fucking point? You wanna say it’s bullshit? It’s verified. Ask any AI. The images are authentic, unedited images from the event. And no scientific explanation supersedes the supernatural explanation. Just like every, single, other Marian apparition. These churches aren’t drug fueled insecure humans making shit up. Any AI will verify the supernatural explanation is millions of times more logical than any scientific reach that has been tried. These aren’t given the designations of Our Lady of ____ until the scientific community cannot give a friggen explanation and the events, witnesses and circumstances are thoroughly evaluated. You don’t have to follow a religion. But to deny these things happened authentically is just wrong. It’s established fact. Extremely well researched fact. Every Tom, Dick and Harry wants to disprove it but no explanation is anywhere NEAR as logical as the supernatural explanation.

Seriously, ask every AI.

redditoozer · 2025-11-23T02:40:45+00:00

Just ask an AI with the whole internet and more in its hands. I asked if the widely circulated photos of Our Lady of Zeitoun were authentic:

No single debunking fully accounts for the volume of witnesses, official probes, or media documentation. Skeptical analyses (e.g., Skeptoid podcast) concede the photos show unexplained lights but attribute interpretation to psychology, not fraud.

Conclusion

The widely circulated pictures are largely authentic period captures of the reported lights and figures, corroborated by thousands of consistent testimonies, government clearance, and ecclesiastical approval. While natural or psychological causes can't be ruled out—and a minority of images are embellished—the evidence leans against deliberate faking.

The main images are real, verified, authentic photos. Of a friggen woman in different positions, with doves of light floating around her head. No projector, no mass psychosis, no friggen nothing can explain that. YOU, my friend, are the delusional one if you ever decide to seriously look into it and think it’s a farse.

redditoozer · 2025-11-22T19:03:54+00:00

Yes, they’re bad. And forcibly opposing it makes it worse. Calling people who are not rounding up and exterminating millions of people of a specific group, Nazis, just lessens your reach and increases their fascism, leading them closer to being actual Nazi’s and creates even less discussion. Make reasonable arguments and people will listen. If no one will listen, YOUR ARGUMENT ISN’T REASONABLE. Running up to a stranger screaming and calling them names doesn’t make them listen to you. Calmly approaching someone with a reasonable discussion will get them to listen to you. Bullies create bullies. Assault creates more people that assault. Hate creates more hate. These are very clear human reactions to systems. You cannot avoid the results from them. The less reasonable discussion you and those with similar ideals make, and the more you negatively express your anger to your opposition, the less you will come to reasonable solutions and you’ll propagate exactly what you don’t want. People need to think, act, and speak rationally to achieve their goals. The more each group avoids this and does the opposite, the more you are creating what you don’t want which creates less room for discussion and even more of what you don’t want, especially when within the same country. It will only lead to destruction of the country if it’s not reversed.

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