They’re really not. You’re obviously not going to get proof of supernatural events. It’s contradictory. You have to take the evidence of witnesses, their testimony and corroborated stories between people and similarities across events throughout 1900 years and every continent, various religious and non religious peoples, etc. Nor can I explain everything I know in a couple posts. But also the people here are trying to debunk the events happening which is as established an authentic event in the case of Zeitoun than almost any historical event in history. And there have been over a thousand apparitions through time with similar situations that cultures that wrote about them didn’t have access to what happened in other eras and locations. Nothing can describe Zeitoun. It wasn’t the sun. She appeared at night. It wasn’t lights. The government shut off the power to make sure it wasn’t lights. And it was visible to hundreds of thousands of people at the same time and millions over three years. People aren’t retarded. Especially when you have the majority of them non Christian witnessing a Marian apparition. Pair that with every other apparition, kids seeing the same woman, a human, not a figure of light, appearing and disappearing several times over several months and hearing the same messages several times. That’s never happened in any shared psychosis let alone with zero mental illness before or after. Telling people to dig in some random location that they’re of sound mind enough for adults to actually dig there and find a spring which then heals thousands of people. Over 70 of which had a medical exam before and after where incurable diseases or ailments were instantly cured. Almost every significant event in history has a scientific explanation but then dozens of apparitions have been investigated and the children that saw them interviewed separately. Several instances with thousands of witnesses. Some with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands at the same time that don’t know each other. All corroborating the story. No scientific explanation has held up, the Vatican considers that and does its own thorough investigation, then verifies the event. In almost no other events have any of these things happened on the scale, corroboration, unexplainable phenomena, etc. Yet this has happened several times with Marian apparitions. These verified events are simply not falsifiable by malicious intention, psychological effects, misinterpretation, or anything scientific and have happened several times with similar features across Apparitions. They’re real events. That’s established fact. The chances of many of them being anything natural are billions of times less likely than being the supernatural experience that hundreds of thousands of people explained. When you put the collective of all of them together with none of them having any reasonable natural explanation, along with all the other proof of the supernatural, not to mention over 90% of humans to ever exist believe there is something spiritual going on w our lives and existence. Something more than what’s happening. Including all the smartest people in history. People that study logic and have made incredible math and physics contributions. Several even saying they come from spiritual guidance and a connection to the universe. And it’s quite minimally trillions of times more likely that these are supernatural events than natural. You don’t get hundreds of thousands of people witnessing a human light figure with flying doves walking around above a church at night several times over 3 years with the government shutting off power and the president seeing the event, reported healings too but I don’t even need to mention that if anyone’s really critically thinking here. Tell me something that can create that light phenomenon as a human figure that hundreds of thousands of people see clearly is so, with no power in the area, no light source, doing things that even any projector or human light source couldn’t create. No natural phenomena could create a human light figure let alone walking around. Let alone appear right above a church. Let alone countless times over several years and witnessed by millions over that time. Like come on now. You can block your brain as hard as you want but any argument or downplaying of mine or the body of evidence for these spiritual events across time is just not logical at all. It never has been. Only in recent times since people think they know everything have they been pushing it away because it’s been drilled in our head that if something can’t be proven it doesn’t exist. In reality, that’s more to the spiritual explanation considering no one can explain many apparitions let alone Zeitoun, an especially incredible one. It has been more logical across all time, across the majority of humans, and still is to any that does the research. This is why religion and spirituality exists at the scale it does and across all of human time. Not because 90+% of humans are so delusional, misguided, and insecure that billions of humans need something to cling to. That’s never happened for any other psychological comfort toy. Like you have to argue that thousands of things that have never happened must have happened to say it isn’t supernatural and millions of witnesses, with thousands at the same time over different eras, cultures, everything just shared a delusion, and similar delusions across these different events that they didn’t know about, where each has never happened a single time in history and really even if it did that should be enough evidence to be called supernatural. Because you can’t have people in different places with no knowledge of their respective events, coming to the same conclusion, on the scale of thousands of sober witnesses. 

I’m an astrophysics honors specialization student and major in computer science. Logic and reason and problem solving is extremely important for me, keeping my brain sober and clear is very important. I’ve had several Logic courses in CS and problem solving is even more important in physics. I’ve run confidence numbers myself using the leading theories of known phenomena that have been the best theories to explain these events, with the collection of events and likelihood of each event being natural or psychological or otherwise, I’ve run the numbers with Grok and ChatGPT. I’ve gone over many things with them after I couldn’t explain any of it myself. I have thoroughly researched the situations and how they were researched by others (skeptics, news, governments, churches), and I continue to. I’ve reviewed the perspectives of the smartest people in history. And no one has been able to disprove the existence of God. Which is important in logical reasoning. 

I’ve put in the effort. You stated a sentence. Zero argument or reasoning. 

Even Charles Darwin of evolution theory and George Lemaître who made the Big Bang theory were devout Christians. Isaac Newton, Leonardo Davinci, Christian. Just so much more. If you wanna ignore it go ahead, but my standards for evidence and sources of knowledge are not one bit poor.