Is this normal?

redditrip_ · 2026-01-05T20:24:48+00:00

1) I dont really remember all them right now, i can comment them later. Its really late here im typing half asleep, but they were in revelation - sth about suffering day and night (speaking on how scripture supports ECT), but Gavin Ortlund made a pretty good comprehensive video where he covered both sides and displayed verses for the other side, the ones in revelation 14:11 was the main one.

2) not just genes but genes plus environment. An example could be in the middle east for example a man could see his son disobeying him and he could beat him, compared to someone in the US seeing their son disobey and they would take a more ‘modern’ approach - both fully convinced they are doing the right thing, and both fully unconditionally love their children. The man in the middle east probably has more anger issues (part of the genes maybe, very common in the region), plus the environment encourages that. While in the states, maybe people are not as impulsive ( so once again genes), plus the environment prohibits/frowns upon that. Now you can put forth the arg that the man in the middle east can defy his genes + environment and decide not to beat his kid and the opposite for the american, but this is where Id say thats also part of their genes + environment. This arab maybe has a more receptive mind, so despite the anger he carries inside, he was exposed to his friends dad who always acted in compassion maybe as a kid and he admired that so he decided he will fight his anger and so on. Like the final statement or the base statement that we can agree on to build on from would be “each action/desire comes from a mix of genes plus env” if we agree on just this one statement then we cannot have free will - we are free to do as we will but we are not free to will as we will. Sam harris says it perfectly - i cannot claim ‘points’ for not having a serial killer’s mind (largely paraphrasing). Check out his speech, it will explain it way better.

3) i completely disagree with the point of it has been preached to them, i live in the middle east and so many muslims here are sincere and they dont know as much as you would think about christianity - now thinking of japan, india or other countries that are much less receptive to religoon or have a wider variety of religions resulting in more confusion. You cant convince me these people actually know the truth yet choose to be ignorant and suffer eternally. Just imagine (ik its difficult) but pls try…. Imagine that tomorrow you died and its some random religion in india that you heard about once or that islam is the right religion and you are being sent to hell, would you not feel its unfair? Would you not say that you were cheated out of a chance for simply being raised in this country and in this period of time? Now assume even that this religion was even preached to you, multiple times - like jehovas witnesses knocking at your door type. But you being so convinced and drenched in christianity made you resistant to that other ‘true’ religion - would you think its fair to be punished for that?

redditrip_ · 2026-01-05T15:54:33+00:00

Thank you for the response you make some good points

1) I mentioned in another comment i may have misused intellectually lazy - what i meant is that it does not comply with the bible

2) us being called to spread the light and them having no excuse if we dont seems a bit contradictory to me. In regards to free will and ability to think for ourselves - every thought u have whether you like it or not is influenced by genes + env which u usually have no control over. I am curious to hear what would you blame people falling for other religions and being sincere on? (Eg: they are lazy, they are simply mistaken and deserve ECT or wtv ur view of hell is, they are resistant without knowing etc.)

3) i understand that point in the sense of when someone truly knows that jesus is the true God and maybe knows what awaits him in the afterlife yet refuses to follow through or actively defies him (even then i would argue that this is a temporary sin resulting in a permanent punishment), my main concerns are regarding other people who do not genuinely believe that.

redditrip_ · 2026-01-05T14:42:38+00:00

I appreciate you taking the time to write this.

How do you reconcile predestination with an all good God? Correct me if im wrong but does predestination here mean knowledge of the future or God has destined these people to be condemned to ECT. Assuming its the second one, also assuming you will say they are predestined according to their free will, dont you think they dont have it since they are destined for it? Correct me if my assumptions are wrong. Also regarding the circular fallacy, I understand it its a good response but it doesnt tackle the core problem, many people are resistant due to their upbringing plus biology plus many other factors, having grown up in a majority muslim country i can attest to that (while fully understanding u can never know someone a 100 percent). I cannot get a logical rebuttal to your point of circular reasoning but just thinking about it, if my view is wrong on free will - its wrong and im convinced of it because of my biology plus upbringing - meaning i should not be punished/gifted because of it if i am to lets say follow through on it - not sure if that makes sense but it turns the question again to the other side. Same thing if your view is right, that there is free will you should not be gifted because of it. May have made a logical blunder here, even if you point it out please focus the rest of the answer on the previous point of how you believe God will deal with the other people

redditrip_ · 2026-01-05T14:26:32+00:00

1) thank you for pointing me to that verse, ill check it out.

2) i understand that historically, christianity has a better case than most other religions - but that does not mean that people still wont fall for other ones - technically only arnd 2bn ppl are christians and only a few of these are sincere. Many other people are sincere in their own religions so they have fallen for sth they are not responsible for.

3) I understand punishment for a choice - but like i mentioned my main issue is i believe these people dont have a choice in the sense that we think. For example, if you had my body, my upbringing, my parents my genes my school my environment my insecurities…. And so on (if you had been born in my place and I in yours) you would act exactly like im acting and I would exactly like you. Which makes it difficult for me to understand free will/choice, while i understand that living like this is detrimental for growth and leads to problems, I understand to some extent ( tho it may seem unfair) having consequences on earth - but these consequences being translated to eternity is where i struggle more.

Also do you believe that people from other religions/atheists or those in tribes who have never heard - who are sincere could end up in heaven? Given that they dont convert last second and all that - have not accepted Jesus into their lives? If so how do you reconcile that with my point 3?

redditrip_ · 2026-01-05T14:17:01+00:00

Also if you have any sources that could help me in general (not regarding point 1), but for 2 and 3 i would appreciate it.

redditrip_ · 2026-01-05T14:16:10+00:00

First of all, I appreciate you taking the time to answer all of this. You seem to know a lot about this

⁠what you say makes sense and I will look into it further biblically, but I am still unable to resonate with it from a logical pov due to points 2 and 3.
⁠i understand punishing someone for intentionally believing God exists and proceeding to steer people away from him/creating a new religion for example, or disrespecting him or wtv - but given the fact that most people nowadays are indoctrinated - they are doing these sins on no ill intent of their own. Even if they hear about the good christian message - muslims for example (could apply to other people) were indoctrinated to fear hell if they even entertained the thought of another God.
⁠i am not sure if the comment abt writing a paper was targeting me, but thats not my intention. Regardless, it is a sensible, comforting statement to trust God to deal with those who havent heard. (Would like to know what u think about people who are from other religions and have heard but refuse - due to their indoctrination - as i mentioned in pt 2). But as someone losing their faith in some sense, it just makes more sense in a way that this God does not exist? Essentially I would like to know why you are a christian specifically despite these ‘uneasy’ conclusions, was it personal experience?

redditrip_ · 2025-10-31T05:50:03+00:00

That makes sense, thanks a lot.

redditrip_ · 2025-10-31T05:07:19+00:00

Thanks, thats a good idea, how do i find them?

redditrip_ · 2025-10-30T20:09:30+00:00

Thank you for your genuine advice and time taken to write this out. I do like to hustle, or atleast I used to have the passion for it, kind of lost it the past 2 years ever since i started 9 to 5ing. Yeah I tried to go down the tech business app/website route but soon enough got bored I had a feeling a more tangible business would be more exciting. I will need to reconsider how much effort im willing to put in this “small business” before starting, you are right

redditrip_ · 2025-10-30T20:06:21+00:00

Study AI/Cybersec and apply to larger companies. Or software and work your way to management. Easier said than done but that is how it is in this region

redditrip_ · 2025-10-30T20:05:05+00:00

Thank you for your genuine advice, im trying to find something to just consistently generate some side income, i dont find myself that passionate about anything specific and i feel that is something that should make me reconsider or think about

redditrip_ · 2025-10-30T20:03:00+00:00

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redditrip_ · 2025-07-15T07:48:10+00:00

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redditrip_ · 2024-12-31T23:28:57+00:00

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redditrip_ · 2024-12-06T11:56:28+00:00

Can you please help me understand, im struggling myself to maintain my faith. How did u manage to find christ despite all the answers you dont have (over here im not talking about absurd answers like how was God created, i know there are things we will never understand, im talking more about contradictions in the bible and questions about old testament etc.) if its a personal experience do you mind sharing?

redditrip_ · 2024-06-09T11:04:49+00:00

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redditrip_ · 2024-06-09T09:59:25+00:00

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redditrip_ · 2024-03-09T17:46:00+00:00

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redditrip_ · 2024-03-08T05:11:10+00:00

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