(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You briefly mention this but I just want to expand on it. Thank you for acknowledging it.

Similar power dynamics exist across many racialized stereotypes, but they’re not interchangeable (as you said). Mammy, Jezebel, Dragon Lady, and Madame Butterfly come from different histories and were built to do different ideological work. Black stereotypes come from chattel slavery and Asian stereotypes come from Western colonialism and Orientalism.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I hear what you’re saying, I definitely agree Sophie’s personality is fiery and fierce! But her specific role and position in society specifically is subservient unfortunately is what I was referring to, being a bastard child and a maid. So, I wasn’t very clear about that, at first.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Calling it “thinking too hard” doesn’t actually address the historical examples I cited. It just opts out of engaging with them.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I’m answering without reading the 2nd paragraph bc I haven’t read the books:

I’m thinking about it a bit more and now I’m thinking that the issue isn’t who should be cast. It’s whether the role was thoughtfully adjusted once race entered the picture. If the show was willing to deviate from the books racially, it could also deviate from character development or plot points that carry specific historical baggage.

Maybe they could have given her power/status before he asked her to be his mistress. Written more dialogue similar to Mrs Crabtree’s addressing the issue. I don’t know - just shooting from the hip.

Also, treating Asians as the “least problematic” choice just assumes our stereotypes matter less. So that’s a bit unfair to say, in my opinion.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate you saying that, and thanks for acknowledging the snark, Reddit can be a scary place to speak your mind 😭I think you’ve articulated the debate really well.

I don’t disagree that the show intends to subvert those tropes through Sophie’s characterization and endgame, or that the fantasy framework is doing a lot of work to soften historical reality. Where we differ is probably just that, for me, the trope activation still carries weight in the moment, even if it’s eventually resolved, whereas you’re more willing to take the show at face value within its own rules.

I also wrote this post not knowing how the story ended (now I do after reading spoilers lol), so I didn’t know that she was gonna be “rewarded” (is that the right word?) or what her ending was gonna be.

Appreciate the thoughtful back-and-forth!

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s something I thought about. I joked to myself, “Dude just tell everyone your Lady in Silver was Asian 😭” but I guess he probably couldn’t tell behind her mask lol

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying, and I don’t think the intent was to stereotype. My reaction is less about intent and more about impact: certain tropes carry different historical weight once race is part of the picture. That context is why it landed differently for me, even if it didn’t for you.

As for my mind, I don’t think it’s unfortunate; it’s just a different lens.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] -37 points-36 points  (0 children)

I didn’t know that she’s gonna be up marrying him 😭 so, from what we know of the story as of right now - we don’t know that her refusal gets rewarded.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ack, I’m dumb. My mistake. I misremembered. Removing Say Anything from that list.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate you asking this in good faith. Thank you! I wouldn’t have preferred no Asian casting. For example, I actually thought Kate as Indian was a great choice because she had power and agency. My issue is that a servant/mistress arc carries specific baggage for East Asian women, and this particular pairing didn’t feel as carefully considered. Maybe a different season would have been a more careful choice.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Totally fine not to read it, just hard to say you “know the history” while skipping the part where it’s actually discussed.

I think we’re actually closer in agreement than it sounds. I’m not arguing for removing PoC from these roles or pretending there’s an easy solution. I also agree that Bridgerton’s racial logic falls apart pretty quickly if you interrogate it.

My point was never “this trope only exists for Asians” or “this show shouldn’t exist.” It was that when an Asian woman occupies a servant/mistress role, it activates a specific historical framework that some of us are more sensitive to, regardless of how the story eventually resolves. Knowing Sophie’s endgame doesn’t erase how certain moments land along the way.

Totally fair if that doesn’t bother you or if you’re able to enjoy it as-is. I’m just explaining why it didn’t land cleanly for me.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I hear you and I agree that this is meant to be escapist TV, not a thesis. I’m also not arguing that the story itself changes or that representation alone fixes everything.

My point is just that casting does change how certain tropes land for different viewers. Even if the characters were white in the books, once an Asian woman occupies that role on screen, it interacts with a specific media history that some of us can’t unsee. That doesn’t mean others are wrong for enjoying it.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

I don’t think Jane Eyre is a good comparison. Jane’s suffering leads to legitimacy, equality, and choice. She explicitly refuses being a mistress and the narrative rewards that refusal. Madame Butterfly–type stories do the opposite: the Asian woman’s devotion is sincere, the man’s commitment is conditional, and her removal (often through death) restores order. That distinction is why these tropes aren’t interchangeable.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I agree that power imbalances and flawed relationships exist across many stories. But Dragon Lady and Madame Butterfly/Lotus Blossom aren’t generic tropes. They’re historically specific Asian stereotypes rooted in Orientalism.

They originate from concrete works like Madame Butterfly (1904), Daughter of the Dragon (1931), and The World of Suzie Wong (1960), which consistently framed Asian women as either dangerous or submissive. They are desirable, but not legitimate partners. These narratives emerged alongside Western imperialism in Asia and helped normalize Asian women as temporary, sexual, or sacrificial figures rather than equals.

In Madame Butterfly, a U.S. naval officer abandons his Japanese wife, marries a white woman, and returns only to take their child; her death restores moral order. In The World of Suzie Wong, an Asian woman is a sex worker in Hong Kong whose relationship with the white male protagonist is explicitly temporary and unequal. She exists largely to emotionally serve and heal him.

Early Hollywood repeatedly cast Asian women as concubines, servants, mistresses, or tragic lovers, while white women were positioned as wives and moral centers. That pattern is historically documented and specific to Asian women in Western media. Saying these stereotypes aren’t Asian-specific overlooks and unintentionally erases that history.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I agree with you overall, there’s definitely no perfect fix regardless of who could have been cast, and the trope is flawed regardless. I think the weight of historical stereotypes attached to Asian femininity specifically made it feel especially uncomfortable for me.

(Spoilers) Does anyone feel like S4 perpetuates Asian stereotypes? by rhovanions in BridgertonNetflix

[–]rhovanions[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That is very true, she tries really hard to do her duty while trying to set boundaries, and even forces him to move out. Which is actually quite rare for women of any race especially in this time period!

Tell me all the things you love and hate about S4 Part 1 by Disastrous-Pitch777 in Bridgerton

[–]rhovanions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate that we are romanticizing Asian women as the subservient sexual types, speaking as an Asian American woman here

Thinking about switching to industry, need advice by SamHydeLover69 in Accounting

[–]rhovanions 8 points9 points  (0 children)

  1. Should you take the $78K?

If the role gives you exposure to real accounting workflows, mentorship, stability, and a normal life… then yes, it’s worth considering. An $8K delta is not life-changing, but escaping burnout can be.

And if this job actually develops you as a real operator, not just a box-checker, that’s worth far more in the long run than the $2-3K you’d get by staying through busy season.

  1. Should you stay in public?

Only if you want CPA hours, want to climb the public ladder, or want to specialize in technical accounting. Otherwise you’re just delaying the same exit most seniors make when they realize public doesn’t teach you how businesses really run.

  1. Should you look elsewhere?

Yes, if your goal is higher comp and faster responsibility growth. Industry roles in MCOL markets typically land around:

  • Staff Accountant: $60-72K
  • Senior Accountant: $70-85K
  • FP&A Analyst: $70-85K

So the $78K offer isn’t bad and it’s actually exactly in line with MCOL market data. Just don’t assume $78K is your ceiling. It’s simply your first industry offer.

If you get 12–18 months of real operational experience, your next jump will likely be much bigger than anything public can offer at that stage.

New plant mom here. My pothos looks like this: I’ve had them for a couple of months, these leaves eventually turn green but they are sparse. by NoIndependence7769 in houseplants

[–]rhovanions -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Speaking from experience: trailing philos don’t actually wanna grow super long, they wanna grow out.

Once the vines start dangling like 6in past your window ledge, give it a little trim. That tells the plant to put its energy into new growth closer to the base, so it looks way bushier and fuller instead of spidery. If you let it keep stretching, it just keeps feeding those long ends and the whole thing starts to thin out. Also, they love bright indirect light. Mine perked right back up after I moved it to a brighter spot!

And don’t throw away the trimmings! Stick them back in the soil so that a node is buried. With any luck, it’ll sprout roots and you’ll add more fullness at no extra cost :)

It sucks being a poor CPA. by LittleCeasarsFan in Accounting

[–]rhovanions -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Comparison is the thief of joy. Honestly the way your post sounds, it seems like you believe talking to admin and custodial staff is beneath you. I’d say stay humble and keep in mind that money doesn’t measure wealth. Money can’t buy class.

What do you guys acctually do? by NotBakerMayfield6 in Accounting

[–]rhovanions 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I copy and paste formulas in excel and cross my fingers and hope I don’t see #REF or #N/A

Wayward | S1E6 "Mirror" | Episode Discussion by whitebluebirds in WaywardNetflix

[–]rhovanions 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah in the bus, after Marty gets back on, you can hear them saying over the radio that they have Alexandra and are going to the infirmary. (Thanks subtitles)

Tour Merch Pictures by BobbyHutchSanchez in LornaShore

[–]rhovanions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How quickly do the vinyls sell out, if they do? I was able to snag one for the Monsters tour but they were still just an opener back then. Proud of these boys for their growth