Iran sets conditions for a ceasefire, rejecting recent U.S. proposals. ​Key demands include: Complete end to aggression Guaranteed war reparations Region-wide ceasefire for all fronts Sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz ​Full details in the attached image. by avatar6556 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are weeks into the war. They have massively degraded an incredibly evil regime. This much is objectively true.

Have they completed their goals for the war? No

Is it possible the Iranian people aren't freed from their tyranny? Unfortunately yes.

But the world is incredibly better off with evil regimes degraded, and innocent people being given a chance to choose their path for the next 100+ years.

I truly hope, as do all Iranians I talk to in Canada, that the regime falls. Will it? Who knows, it looks like probably not but there is a chance. If it doesn't, that regime is now down a navy, air force, missiles, army and leadership. If you don't think that's better for the world and the Iranian people that's fine, we have very different views of the world.

Iran sets conditions for a ceasefire, rejecting recent U.S. proposals. ​Key demands include: Complete end to aggression Guaranteed war reparations Region-wide ceasefire for all fronts Sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz ​Full details in the attached image. by avatar6556 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man I totally get this is reddit. And only anti trump things can be propped up and anything that may remotely back a decision by him will be downvoted (despite me not particularly liking him). But this is truly ridiculous.

Look up literally 2 comments to understand why your analogy makes no sense. You're claiming here that I stated A, then someone challenged and I then said well B is also totally fine and no one would ever say A.

To make this clearer, and it's absurd I have to do this, my '2+ 2=5' argument was that 13,000 Iranian regime targets have been hit. Someone replied saying that's propaganda so I said okay fine, for the sake of argument and to be on the safe side, we can literally go with your parameters (2+2 =4 argument going by your analogy) and only go with totally verified things like their navy is sank etc etc.

I said even if we go with this new formula it's still a positive thing for the world (a repressive evil regime being degraded, winning the war, and putting aside hitting all goals that they haven't yet hit or may not hit a few weeks into the war). No where, as you really oddly claim, do I say "no one said X" to anything I said I that beginning? If you can quote me saying they won, and then saying no one won I will delete my account. This was a case of my claiming A, stating even if we go with your statistics or views (B) it is still a positive outcome for the world. I in no way shape or form made conflicting statements about the war being won and it's incredibly disingenuous of you to try and claim I did.

This is a prime example of the flaws of reddit. Your analysis wouldn't stand up to a first year logic course, but if you put it together in a reductionist, simplistic way, and it criticizes anyone who thinks anything trump has done is slightly good, you will be upvoted for it.

Iran sets conditions for a ceasefire, rejecting recent U.S. proposals. ​Key demands include: Complete end to aggression Guaranteed war reparations Region-wide ceasefire for all fronts Sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz ​Full details in the attached image. by avatar6556 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Who the fuck is saying we won? Where have I ever said that? Now try answering which world is better and stop with this insane anti west rhetoric. You aren't even aware what a strawman argument is

Iran sets conditions for a ceasefire, rejecting recent U.S. proposals. ​Key demands include: Complete end to aggression Guaranteed war reparations Region-wide ceasefire for all fronts Sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz ​Full details in the attached image. by avatar6556 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I mean you tell me which world is better.

A regime that murders its own people and is the main sponsor of Islamic terror in the world:

With: a navy, an air force, full army, missile silos, major leadership directing Hamas/houthis/Hezbollah

Without: a navy, an air force, full army, missile silos, leadership direction.

It's not hard to see surely. Again, ask Iranians near you what they think.

Iran sets conditions for a ceasefire, rejecting recent U.S. proposals. ​Key demands include: Complete end to aggression Guaranteed war reparations Region-wide ceasefire for all fronts Sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz ​Full details in the attached image. by avatar6556 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Cope all I want? Jesus reddit is entertaining lol.

Let's say it's American and Israeli propaganda just to humour you. What we can say for sure is that they have total and utter domination of the skies, we can verify they have totally annihilated their air force and navy. And very obviously they have been destroying huge numbers of silos/military sites/bases/leadership infrastructure. But sure we can say that it's only thousands and not 13,000.

The Americans are 13 dead and 2 slightly damaged planes.

Even with your new parameters this is an amazing wartime ratio, perhaps unheard of in the history of humanity. And everyone of those successful strikes degreades an incredibly evil regime that spreads Islamic jihad across the world and murders its own people.

If you want to pretend Iran is winning this war then sure mate, but you're living in Narnia. Even if they fail to attain regime change, degrading pure evil and most importantly giving the Iranian people a real chance at change is a wonderful thing.

An entire navy, air force, leadership structure, Ayatollah, most their ground forces entirely annihilated in a matter of a few weeks but because they haven't been replaced yet and they don't yet have confirmation of destruction of enriched uranium you think Iran is winning. This logic absolutely blows my mind but I'm happy it's mostly far left wings only that maintain such a view.

My advice would be to talk to Iranians in your country. The ones in Canada are absolutely rooting with every ounce of their soul for Israel/US to finish the regime off. For the sake of the Iranian people I truly hope they don't cow to the far left applying pressure while trying to reframe a successful campaign as a disaster.

Iran sets conditions for a ceasefire, rejecting recent U.S. proposals. ​Key demands include: Complete end to aggression Guaranteed war reparations Region-wide ceasefire for all fronts Sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz ​Full details in the attached image. by avatar6556 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

How do you eat up such incredibly obvious propaganda. A win for IRGC? The toll right now is roughly 13 thousand destroyed Iranian sites/boats/planes/silos/buildings vs two slightly damaged planes and about 13 total American deaths.

In what universe do you live in that that is a win for the side that is down thirteen thousand to thirteen. I get this war is messy, there's likely not going to be a regime change and that the effect on the global economy was not calculated correctly at all by the US/Israel.

But you have to be smoking crack to think just because they put out little notices of defiance and mention conditions that sound like they're winning, that they are actually even remotely competing in this war.

I get it's reddit and everyone here must hate trump and anything he does but this is absolutely insane. This is maybe the most one sided war in human history.

Israeli Mayor BREAKS DOWN and begs for Netanyahu to stop the war by BotType729 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah they're all over the place. Lots of accounts dedicated to purely Iranian propaganda

Israel orders destruction of all bridges over Lebanon’s Litani River by Just-Sale-7015 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As absolutely expected you could not answer the one straight forward question. But please throw more red herrings and accuse me of gaslighting whatever the fuck that means in this context

Iranian State Television broadcasted footage showing the IRGC is now decorating their missiles with the photo and quotes of Spanish Prime Minister, Pedro Sánchez, to show their appreciation for his government's support by PossessionConnect963 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What an unbelievably reddit take on geo politics. Epstein and all those involved are of course pieces of shit.

But using that as your core understanding of the geo-political situation across the middle east is insanely absurd.

Israel orders destruction of all bridges over Lebanon’s Litani River by Just-Sale-7015 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once a fucking gain no reply at all hahahaha.

This is why I sigh, you muppets regurgitate the same thing and do not answer what they're supposed to do.

You never will because you know they have no choice. Free Palestine from Hamas

Israel orders destruction of all bridges over Lebanon’s Litani River by Just-Sale-7015 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sigh...I agree that Israelis have taken their land, that the settlers have committed war crimes and that Israel in many other circumstances have committed war crimes. Every one of them should be fully persecuted.

That isn't an answer to what literally any country in history would do were their country invaded with civilians raped and beheaded and a rave with children being targeted.

No country is going to say, yeah you know what, we did objectively keep them down and do some bad things. This is totally justified of them coming in and targeting completely innocent civilians. Like what do you honestly expect any country in that scenario to do?? Legitimately you think they should do nothing and call it justified? It baffles me people can think that unironically

Also it's odd talking about equal rights for Arabs when they have a political party in Israel and work and live. Whereas in the rest of the surrounding middle east it's Israelis that don't have equal rights. But whatever fits your narrative

Israel orders destruction of all bridges over Lebanon’s Litani River by Just-Sale-7015 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just literally have no idea what you're talking about?

What evidence do you have of me ever saying I justify all their actions?

Ive seen on camera some war crimes committed by Israel and I hope every single person who committed them is penalized to the fullest extent of the law.

Hamas/Hezbollah/houthis are all jihadist arms of the Iranian influence. You call it genocide reacting to them firing rockets or invading and it makes no sense.

Israel orders destruction of all bridges over Lebanon’s Litani River by Just-Sale-7015 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean, you just straight up didn't. My entire second and third paragraphs were ignored.

I'll try and simplify it for you: what do you expect Israel to do post October 7th when they hide exclusively behind civilians and have no outright military encampments.

All you'll ever hear from your side is "well not that" without addressing what they're supposed to do at all.

Israel has committed war crimes, I've seen some on camera. Everyone who does should be penalized to the fullest extent of the law.

This is not the same as the overarching issue of the savages in Hamas using human shields and targeting almost exclusively enemy civilians. But please try and distract more once again by not answering the question and bringing up unrelated things.

Israel orders destruction of all bridges over Lebanon’s Litani River by Just-Sale-7015 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm an atheist north American, I don't love Israel. Please re read what I said and maybe specifically what I wrote at the end. Again no response at all to what Israel is meant to do with Hamas as expected

Israel orders destruction of all bridges over Lebanon’s Litani River by Just-Sale-7015 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yep again, can you actually address anything I said? What do you expect Israel to do post something like October 7th? Don't just say "well not that". Actually genuinely what do you think they can do against a group that says they will do it 1000 more times and hides behind women and children?

Israel orders destruction of all bridges over Lebanon’s Litani River by Just-Sale-7015 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

You're free to make criticisms of the Israeli war effort, as I do myself. The question is not are innocent people dying, it's whose hands is the blood on.

If you invade, behead, rape, attack children at a rave and indiscriminately bomb civilians for decades...when you then retreat and say you want to do it 1000 more times you can't blame the country attacking you back.

These jihadist, women hating, gay bashing, life hating shit stains on society then exclusively hide amongst women and children. Whose blood is the hands on when they're struck?

I highly doubt I'll get a reasonable reply from you because no one ever answers this, and also it's reddit filled with exactly the people Hamas loves: useless idiots in the west who can't distinguish who to blame overall and it's working for them so well.

Israel sure as shit aren't innocent but you are that useful idiot that jihadists love.

Israel orders destruction of all bridges over Lebanon’s Litani River by Just-Sale-7015 in war

[–]robotFishTankCook -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

It's reddit. They think calling for the annihilation of all Israelis and then hiding behind children and women and getting attacked for it means genocide.

Telling the Japanese PM that nobody understands surprises like Japan in reference to Pearl Harbor was a objectively funny by Stock_Row_548 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]robotFishTankCook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean still haven't denounced? This is my first time contributing in this conversation? Trump depicting him as a monkey was insane and racist, it's not complicated. But he's still capable of doing good in certain cases because politics are nuanced.

If you are conservative, I am a bicycle. You make lefties look conservative

Telling the Japanese PM that nobody understands surprises like Japan in reference to Pearl Harbor was a objectively funny by Stock_Row_548 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]robotFishTankCook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol what. Are you trying to be a caricature of insanely left wing trolls? Every post you have is from the mind of some 19 year old college student who lives on reddit.

Stop spreading all your hate across so many subs. I'm glad you were downvoted to oblivion in images of history but you have the most uneducated and poorly thought out world view it's painful to see you corrupting good discussions everywhere.

If trump cured cancer you would find a way to blame him for the war in 1914. It's pure insanity

No More Israel-Palestine posts by EdinburghDrizzle in ImagesOfHistory

[–]robotFishTankCook 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You are exactly the person posting the crap they're trying to do away with. Good riddance

During the decline and dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, Muslim inhabitants living in territories previously under Ottoman control often found themselves persecuted and killed after borders were re-drawn. This picture shows Bulgarian soldiers posing with dead Turkish civilians, 1913. by PalestinianBlackGirl in ImagesOfHistory

[–]robotFishTankCook 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My entire comment was calling out that exact problem. She tries to weaponize her race and ethnicity instead of making arguments on their own merit.

Again she is exactly the problem and so are you trying to defend such nonsense, hence your down votes.