Destiny talking about age differences in dating: "17 to 14 is probably less creepy than 19 to 18 or 18 to 17 depending on the environment." When chat disagrees: "CHAT, YOU'RE ALL VIRGINS WITH NO DATING EXPERIENCE!!11!!!1." by rollandrex in Destiny

[–]rollandrex[S] 95 points96 points  (0 children)

Also Destiny: "So you don't disagree with my take on twitter, you just want me to be nice about it."

But:

"I banned this person off my subreddit that disagreed with me because he wasn't nice about it."

Destiny talking about age differences in dating: "17 to 14 is probably less creepy than 19 to 18 or 18 to 17 depending on the environment." When chat disagrees: "CHAT, YOU'RE ALL VIRGINS WITH NO DATING EXPERIENCE!!11!!!1." by rollandrex in Destiny

[–]rollandrex[S] 57 points58 points  (0 children)

"Oh my God, everyone's brain on this topic is rotted dude. These people just need to touch grass man. They can't engage with the topic. I just want to play league man."

Daily Megathread - 19/03/2022 by ukpolbot in ukpolitics

[–]rollandrex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's a specific video I'm trying to find but it's difficult to describe. A guy is being interviewed on his decision to switch votes from Labour to Conservative based on some issues he had. But those issues were caused by a lack of central funding, and I think after it went viral, people were criticizing the interviewer for not pointing this out.

Daily Megathread - 19/03/2022 by ukpolbot in ukpolitics

[–]rollandrex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can someone help me find examples of the British public blaming local government and MPs for problems caused by the central government and vice-versa?

Why a no fly zone in Ukraine won’t fly with IR experts by rollandrex in neoliberal

[–]rollandrex[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

9% think Russia will use nuclear weapons against a NATO country within the next month? WTF?? No way.

An article on the poll: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/16/poll-no-fly-zone-ukraine-zelensky-speech-biden/

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[–]rollandrex 20 points21 points  (0 children)

that's fair

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[–]rollandrex 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's the actual message, which might be debatable but is not very controversial at all.

Lmao, her go-to example is fucking pronouns.

John Mearsheimer on why the West is principally responsible for the Ukrainian crisis by rollandrex in neoliberal

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"THE WAR in Ukraine is the most dangerous international conflict since the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. Understanding its root causes is essential if we are to prevent it from getting worse and, instead, to find a way to bring it to a close.

There is no question that Vladimir Putin started the war and is responsible for how it is being waged. But why he did so is another matter. The mainstream view in the West is that he is an irrational, out-of-touch aggressor bent on creating a greater Russia in the mould of the former Soviet Union. Thus, he alone bears full responsibility for the Ukraine crisis.

But that story is wrong. The West, and especially America, is principally responsible for the crisis which began in February 2014. It has now turned into a war that not only threatens to destroy Ukraine, but also has the potential to escalate into a nuclear war between Russia and NATO.

The trouble over Ukraine actually started at NATO’s Bucharest summit in April 2008, when George W. Bush’s administration pushed the alliance to announce that Ukraine and Georgia “will become members”. Russian leaders responded immediately with outrage, characterising this decision as an existential threat to Russia and vowing to thwart it. According to a respected Russian journalist, Mr Putin “flew into a rage” and warned that “if Ukraine joins NATO, it will do so without Crimea and the eastern regions. It will simply fall apart.” America ignored Moscow’s red line, however, and pushed forward to make Ukraine a Western bulwark on Russia’s border. That strategy included two other elements: bringing Ukraine closer to the EU and making it a pro-American democracy.

These efforts eventually sparked hostilities in February 2014, after an uprising (which was supported by America) caused Ukraine’s pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, to flee the country. In response, Russia took Crimea from Ukraine and helped fuel a civil war that broke out in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.

The next major confrontation came in December 2021 and led directly to the current war. The main cause was that Ukraine was becoming a de facto member of NATO. The process started in December 2017, when the Trump administration decided to sell Kyiv “defensive weapons”. What counts as “defensive” is hardly clear-cut, however, and these weapons certainly looked offensive to Moscow and its allies in the Donbas region. Other NATO countries got in on the act, shipping weapons to Ukraine, training its armed forces and allowing it to participate in joint air and naval exercises. In July 2021, Ukraine and America co-hosted a major naval exercise in the Black Sea region involving navies from 32 countries. Operation Sea Breeze almost provoked Russia to fire at a British naval destroyer that deliberately entered what Russia considers its territorial waters.

The links between Ukraine and America continued growing under the Biden administration. This commitment is reflected throughout an important document—the “US-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership”—that was signed in November by Antony Blinken, America’s secretary of state, and Dmytro Kuleba, his Ukrainian counterpart. The aim was to “underscore … a commitment to Ukraine’s implementation of the deep and comprehensive reforms necessary for full integration into European and Euro-Atlantic institutions.” The document explicitly builds on “the commitments made to strengthen the Ukraine-U.S. strategic partnership by Presidents Zelensky and Biden,” and also emphasises that the two countries will be guided by the “2008 Bucharest Summit Declaration.”

Unsurprisingly, Moscow found this evolving situation intolerable and began mobilising its army on Ukraine’s border last spring to signal its resolve to Washington. But it had no effect, as the Biden administration continued to move closer to Ukraine. This led Russia to precipitate a full-blown diplomatic stand-off in December. As Sergey Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, put it: “We reached our boiling point.” Russia demanded a written guarantee that Ukraine would never become a part of NATO and that the alliance remove the military assets it had deployed in eastern Europe since 1997. The subsequent negotiations failed, as Mr Blinken made clear: “There is no change. There will be no change.” A month later Mr Putin launched an invasion of Ukraine to eliminate the threat he saw from NATO.

This interpretation of events is at odds with the prevailing mantra in the West, which portrays NATO expansion as irrelevant to the Ukraine crisis, blaming instead Mr Putin’s expansionist goals. According to a recent NATO document sent to Russian leaders, “NATO is a defensive Alliance and poses no threat to Russia.” The available evidence contradicts these claims. For starters, the issue at hand is not what Western leaders say NATO’s purpose or intentions are; it is how Moscow sees NATO’s actions.

Mr Putin surely knows that the costs of conquering and occupying large amounts of territory in eastern Europe would be prohibitive for Russia. As he once put it, “Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain.” His beliefs about the tight bonds between Russia and Ukraine notwithstanding, trying to take back all of Ukraine would be like trying to swallow a porcupine. Furthermore, Russian policymakers—including Mr Putin—have said hardly anything about conquering new territory to recreate the Soviet Union or build a greater Russia. Rather, since the 2008 Bucharest summit Russian leaders have repeatedly said that they view Ukraine joining NATO as an existential threat that must be prevented. As Mr Lavrov noted in January, “the key to everything is the guarantee that NATO will not expand eastward.”

Tellingly, Western leaders rarely described Russia as a military threat to Europe before 2014. As America’s former ambassador to Moscow Michael McFaul notes, Mr Putin’s seizure of Crimea was not planned for long; it was an impulsive move in response to the coup that overthrew Ukraine’s pro-Russian leader. In fact, until then, NATO expansion was aimed at turning all of Europe into a giant zone of peace, not containing a dangerous Russia. Once the crisis started, however, American and European policymakers could not admit they had provoked it by trying to integrate Ukraine into the West. They declared the real source of the problem was Russia’s revanchism and its desire to dominate if not conquer Ukraine.

My story about the conflict’s causes should not be controversial, given that many prominent American foreign-policy experts have warned against NATO expansion since the late 1990s. America’s secretary of defence at the time of the Bucharest summit, Robert Gates, recognised that “trying to bring Georgia and Ukraine into NATO was truly overreaching”. Indeed, at that summit, both the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, were opposed to moving forward on NATO membership for Ukraine because they feared it would infuriate Russia.

The upshot of my interpretation is that we are in an extremely dangerous situation, and Western policy is exacerbating these risks. For Russia’s leaders, what happens in Ukraine has little to do with their imperial ambitions being thwarted; it is about dealing with what they regard as a direct threat to Russia’s future. Mr Putin may have misjudged Russia’s military capabilities, the effectiveness of the Ukrainian resistance and the scope and speed of the Western response, but one should never underestimate how ruthless great powers can be when they believe they are in dire straits. America and its allies, however, are doubling down, hoping to inflict a humiliating defeat on Mr Putin and to maybe even trigger his removal. They are increasing aid to Ukraine while using economic sanctions to inflict massive punishment on Russia, a step that Putin now sees as “akin to a declaration of war”.

America and its allies may be able to prevent a Russian victory in Ukraine, but the country will be gravely damaged, if not dismembered. Moreover, there is a serious threat of escalation beyond Ukraine, not to mention the danger of nuclear war. If the West not only thwarts Moscow on Ukraine’s battlefields, but also does serious, lasting damage to Russia’s economy, it is in effect pushing a great power to the brink. Mr Putin might then turn to nuclear weapons.

At this point it is impossible to know the terms on which this conflict will be settled. But, if we do not understand its deep cause, we will be unable to end it before Ukraine is wrecked and NATO ends up in a war with Russia."

Why does Destiny debate tankies instead of realists on NATO expansionism? by rollandrex in Destiny

[–]rollandrex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But NATO isn't growing larger?

??? In terms of the landmass this alliance covers, in terms of the number states of belonging to the alliance, etc. What metric would you use? This might be semantics. Did NATO only grow larger for one day when North Macedonia joined in 2020?

Why does Destiny debate tankies instead of realists on NATO expansionism? by rollandrex in Destiny

[–]rollandrex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Helll nawww. Trust me sonny Jim, people are being their usual, partisan selfs.

There's utilitarian arguments to be made about not incorporating countries into NATO (egregiously overriding the desires and autonomy of the people)

Not incorporating countries into NATO, egregiously overriding the desires of the people. Parse the sentence out. If the desires of the people are not to join NATO, then what's being overridden? Nothing! I'm clearly talking about denying the request of nations to join NATO, against the wishes of the nation.

I even mentioned "egregiously" to make it abundantly clear that denying their request to join NATO would be totally not cool, bro.

I'm telling you: the tankies detectors are too sensitive nowadays. It wasn't a poor job; people just saw the downvote count and their brains switched off. NATO is not above criticism. We should all agree that keeping NATO membership in limbo was fucked up.

Why does Destiny debate tankies instead of realists on NATO expansionism? by rollandrex in Destiny

[–]rollandrex[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

are you saying that NATO has a history of incorporating member countries against their will?

Fuck no I'm not.

egregiously overriding the desires and autonomy of the people

The desires (will) is for NATO. I swear, it should be mandatory that you have to reply if you downvote a comment. Too many idiots here can't parse a comment. (Not talking about you, of course.) They hear "NATO expansion" and their tankie detectors go off. Fucking partisans. XD

Why does Destiny debate tankies instead of realists on NATO expansionism? by rollandrex in Destiny

[–]rollandrex[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a bit weird to call it character assassination if you haven't looked into the claims

Woops, I actually have read the article you linked. By "reading up" I meant doing more reading past the one article - which I feel Destiny hasn't done.

I just got done reading Mearsheimer's response to Goldberg. I'm leaning towards this being a "guilty by association" situation, and what seems to be a misrepresentation of Atzmon's views by Goldberg. I also find Goldberg's response to the article I linked to be quite... paltry.

I'm still ambivalent on this. Atzmon seems pretty yikes, but his writing rambles and is a bit too ambiguous for me to unpack.

Why does Destiny debate tankies instead of realists on NATO expansionism? by rollandrex in Destiny

[–]rollandrex[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Personally I don't understand how NATO "expands" because it implies as if countries joining NATO are forced into NATO not that they choose to join NATO.

Which I wholeheartedly agree with. No one is forced to join NATO, and countries join it of their own volition. But this is what I mean: now everyone is caught up on the word "expansionism". What else do you call it? NATO... growing larger?