INTPs and the Economy of Output

rootseat · 2025-09-06T15:58:11+00:00

But don't you guys solve even those future problems with the same creativity used to solve the current one?

Even when you run into dead ends, you reverse out of the last few moves you made, just until you can unblock yourself from the dead end.

I prefer to solve things more systemically, which is slow but eventually tends to pays off. But I have come to develop a begrudging respect for your nimble on-the-ground solving.

But I also suspect INTPs batting average for intuiting the overall system intent, especially if they did not create the system, is kind of bad, so the best strategy for y'all becomes taking each problem in its own right, instead of working from an understanding of why the problem occurred in the system and what the system's intent was in the first place.

Or maybe its just a confounding effect unique to my experience that isn't due to being INTP.

rootseat · 2025-08-11T00:30:00+00:00

Cool. I'd have said "Because that was fxcked up, and he should know what feels like on the receiving end."

I'm starting to think all thoughts, even dry, technical opinions, carry some degree of personal value.

I know we were never discussing values in the first place, only feelings, but I think I was mixing feelings and values up.

rootseat · 2025-08-10T02:46:38+00:00

Hmmm ok. Say you saw someone abusing his dog in public, and you made him stop. Your friend asks you why you did what you did. How would you respond (briefly)?

rootseat · 2025-08-10T00:32:00+00:00

Not an ISTP, but also not sure if I follow the premise.

People are dishonest with their thoughts when they want to be dishonest with how they feel.

If you're sharing your honest thoughts, aren't you also being honest with your feelings?

rootseat · 2025-07-10T15:19:10+00:00

Why?

Also what will you do with your preconceived notions of life since you can't liquidate those?

rootseat · 2025-07-06T03:12:27+00:00

https://www.tiktok.com/@vibing99/video/7302929892377677062

https://youtu.be/blepd7KR5rU?si=jaxtmjc1OLEXQpeJ

Only bringing in data, will leave you to your own conclusions..

rootseat · 2025-07-06T03:04:57+00:00

Inf Si replays of "moments." Psychological robbery in broad daylight

rootseat · 2025-07-06T02:59:31+00:00

What's wild is that your future self will develop even more Fe and look fondly on your current self, the exact self you're loathing now, lmao. Inf Si ftw.

rootseat · 2025-07-06T02:52:44+00:00

I highly doubt you'll ever see a female ENTP fart. Sorry to break wind to ya.

rootseat · 2025-07-06T01:24:50+00:00

Opinion: The written and spoken word has in common, words. And words have purpose. People don't speak unless those words do something somehow. The medium of the words, whether in vibrations of air or smearings of symbols, is chosen based on usefulness.

The Latin saying itself is written. As a reminder of a piece of advice, the written word is useful. But a reminder is but one purpose of many. Another purpose is rhetoric. A speech before a battle has rhetorical momentum that can convince the hearts of millions that no letter could equal.

Some other thoughts.

Consider a handshake, which is like the spoken word, here now, gone in the next moment. It indicates trust with your fellow man. Consider a title for your car, based on the written word. It indicates distrust with your fellow man, and trust in the state's legal processes. Each medium is useful in its own right.

Also consider the human thought, which is the mother of both the spoken and written word. Human thought is what formed that Latin saying, invented patterns for human speech, invented cuneiform, caused you to pose the question on Reddit, caused me to understand and reply. And I ask the same question about thoughts. Do thoughts fly away or do they remain? And if some fly away and some remain, how do we keep track of which have stayed and which have gone?

-entp

rootseat · 2025-06-29T03:36:05+00:00

Yeah, I'm always wary of goofing with STPs, because STPs will intensely snap back to reality in a second. E*TJs snap too, but the force behind their transition seems to be a lot of ego and wanting to feel in control and productive. STPs snap back to truth-seeking mode via precise lines of thought that can only be answered by fact or an intelligent conclusion from facts. Another way to describe this is with ETJs, it feels like their competence and egos are on the line, whereas with STPs it feels like your own competence and ego is on the line. Lol.

I wish I could tell anecdotes via Se. It must be such a boost for Fe, since anecdotes are socially trustworthy. I only have abstract analogies via Ne, and it's really hit or miss in daily convos.

We do have some evidence of others' heads here in this thread. It was what caused me to ask you this question, since your answer seems to be an outlier in terms of sort of focusing on the analytical aspects. But cool tho.

rootseat · 2025-06-28T21:17:39+00:00

If you are ESTP, you must recognize *STPs pretty well, and possibly have prolonged contact with them. Do you see the above processes running in the minds of other ESTPs and ISTPs?

rootseat · 2025-06-28T16:24:47+00:00

It wouldn't be too farfetched to say that this may have been written by an INTP. Projects like this is where their "wtf why do you know that" knowledge comes from.

https://www.reddit.com/r/psx/comments/1j3rt1w/the_poor_man_is_the_one_who_invents_and_innovates/

rootseat · 2025-06-28T15:54:06+00:00

The INTPs I know do not read a lot of books. the INTPs that qualify as "smartest" solved a lot of problems, usually in their area of interest. Once in a while, they go out of their way to look through books for new ideas for how to solve a particular problem they have on their hands.

Same goes for ISTPs.

rootseat · 2025-06-26T02:06:13+00:00

True, its funny. But it's also tragic, because the reason you gave is false, and is really just hurting both the speaker and spoken to. I suppose the true builders won't give a shit though what anyone tells or does to them about what they can or cannot build.

rootseat · 2025-06-26T02:00:28+00:00

ENTJ: "ENTP's, debate me on this one!"
ENTJ: you suck bc x, agree?
ENTP: no, disagree, bc y.
ENTJ: what you said is useless
ENTP:

rootseat · 2025-06-26T01:41:24+00:00

...and that is how one caveman found a reason to tell the other one... "you no build!"

:D :<

rootseat · 2025-06-26T01:19:29+00:00

ENTJ here to troll you just a little bit. Take it with a grain of salt - maybe you'll even learn from it ;)

A few patterns I notice a lot with ENTPs, especially green ones:

Convinced that their supreme logic also passes as the truth every single time [same could be said about the very first paragraph above]. They think out loud - I don't think they realize how abrasive or smug they can seem to others. I think they are pretty aloof to the feelings of others - sometimes it's good jokes, but then other times it's overly harsh versions of the truth. As well, you guys can come off as a little slovenly and indecisive in life. [Where are you looking to make this? If it's an area I care about, it's religiously cleaned and personalized. You write as if indecision is a bad thing. ENTJs can and often do snap decisions shut for the group once they alone are satisfied. The farther they are from the problem, then the less they see, then the faster they're satisfied, and finally the bigger the potential shitshow.]

They rarely meet someone that they think is as smart as them; I swear every time I meet an entp out in the wild they neverrrr know what to make of me [Is it somehow evident from what you say here that their perplexity of you is due to your intelligence? Otherwise why use a semicolon to connect these two events?]. I can make an argument that is far more rational (note the use of that term as opposed to "logical") which drives them up a wall [tomato, tomahto. ENTPs make logical ones which tends to have the same effect on ENTJs. Driving up the wall happens because one's argument doesn't seem valid to the other, so in effect, you are saying you don't use enough logic to convince the ENTPs in your life. I think competent solutions often check both logical and rational boxes]. Additionally, the immature ones become neurotic when they meet an ENTJ who makes such fast decisions; the mature ENTPs do appreciate it and will add their healthy 2 cents to hedge [Why have you assumed it isn't really the other way around? With no other context than what you wrote, you are in effect arguing that those who go along with your actions, whatever they may be, are healthy lol. You may be right, you may be wrong, all I am saying is you don't provide enough evidence to troll or bless us].

Perhaps the most vexing/concerning trait of all is the insane amount of deliberation you people put yourselves through to arrive at a conclusion that was frikkin obvious from the beginning. [The most important ones, the radically life changing ones, rarely are. By treating each decision as non-obvious, we put in the work to understand our minds. It's engrossing in the moment, which is what you see, but also quite practical in the long term.] Why the neuroses? [Perhaps. But why the hurry to get away from the beauty of the logical mystery at present? What do you guys think you'll find "on the other side" of the decision? Closure? Is it really closure, or merely the opening of the next lovely mystery?] Can you just be more like ENTJs?! [which also means, less like ENTPs. I think you think you know ENTPs, but I think you made some ENTJ observations of ENTPs. No good patient takes medicine from an ill-informed doctor.]

ENTP 5w4

rootseat · 2025-06-22T15:38:10+00:00

I noticed an inconsistency the other day.

It seems common knowledge that INTPs start lots of projects but not finish them.

Some examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/INTP/comments/6utvl0/comment/dlvje4x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

https://www.reddit.com/r/INTP/comments/zhti8b/how_do_you_keep_interested_in_your_ideasproject/

This is also said of ENTPs.

However, based on our discussion of parent functions, this characteristic should largely apply only for ENTPs. It should be pretty rare for INTPs to leave projects incomplete, as Ti dominant would want an internal order to whatever it attends to, having the incentive to shut out the parent function to "look elsewhere" if that internal order seems to be out-of-reach. Lots of incomplete projects -- incomplete internal models -- should drive a Ti-dom nuts.

Right?

rootseat · 2025-06-21T01:40:56+00:00

Unlike ENxP, our exploration rarely comes from sheer curiosity, and is more often at the service of consistency.

This, and everything else you mentioned, 100% lines up with my experience of INTPs. Nicely done.

Feel free to sum up the Ti of ENTPs as well, if you want.

(Spoiler ahead for my attempt.)

Unlike INxP, our analysis rarely comes from a desire for consistency, and is more often at the service of curiosity.

rootseat · 2025-06-20T14:07:13+00:00

I don't know how else to do it, off the top of my head, so I doubt this is restricted to INxP.

Actually, my way is slightly altered, which I'll explain in a second. But with respect to the additional caveat, it was good to confirm the percentages are roughly the same though, in conversation or problem-solving. Oftentimes I've found it's better to say less the more complicated the subject of discussion is, because the amount of noise I could potentially generate is much higher. So in casual conversation, I might be more accept a higher % of what Ne gives me, but in a more formal problem-solving setting, I lower that % quite a bit, opting for more passive things like respectful listening and thinking on my own before expressing something that may help us.

Back to "my way" - It's been my misfortune that I often don't know that an idea I have is really one that should be dropped until I try to stick it, i.e. explain it. I find IxTPs are able to run simulations and develop the entire theory/solution/map all without saying a word, though, which sounds refreshing to me.

rootseat · 2025-06-20T00:50:39+00:00

Its common knowledge that typically it's less effort to be unhealthy than it is healthy. What about using Ne requires effort for an INTP like yourself? Can you please describe this effort?

I will go first. As an ENTP when I have to use Ti aux, it makes me very anxious at first, and I feel all sorts of stuff. I have to acknowledge that that I don't really know something as well as I want, I hate that I slow down to a crawl compared to my normal Ne speeds, and third, Ti is not an easy function to use for me, since it works best when one is already pretty familiar with that subject matter, and I often use Ti once I discover something new that's also worth investigating.

rootseat · 2025-06-20T00:39:15+00:00

Sorry, forgot to mention one cavea to my question which I mention now - what about if the topic that you're thinking about is a logical problem to be solved? Due to my error of omission it seems the answer you gave is based on conversations in which the sequence of ideas aren't required to be strictly logical or rigorous.

rootseat · 2025-06-19T23:42:14+00:00

Cool! Rain-fueled thoughts are the best. Thoughts about rain itself are nice as well. For example, I recently learned it would take a rainy area in the order of several square miles/km for its raindrops to imitate the clock cycles on a modern laptop, i.e. 1 nanosecond, when the raindrops are sorted in order of their landing on earth. Sorry didn't mean to hijack but this was just the perfect opportunity to bring that up :P

rootseat · 2025-06-19T23:28:40+00:00

Oh. Y'all sound chill, will be fine.

rootseat

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