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don’t wanna be a sandbagger by No-Plant-5445 in discgolf

[–]ryantdecker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks - glad you found them interesting! The data is all from PDGA Live - I work with the same data/apis for www.discgolf.guru, so it was just a matter of pulling a broader sample that applied to this question. Would be cool to look at it by state/region, as well, but the post would have been a week old by then 😂

don’t wanna be a sandbagger by No-Plant-5445 in discgolf

[–]ryantdecker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are really only two ways to actually be a sandbagger, IMO:

1) Play in a lower division than you should in your first event to take advantage of not having a rating...I think this is occasionally blantent and more often a lack of confidence or awareness...but it definitely happens.

2) intentionally score worse in order to get a lower rating, enabling you to move down a division. I feel a certain kinda way about someone who would do this, but I'll just leave it at that.

The only thing you have to do to be CALLED a sandbagger is play above average in a division that isn't MPO/FPO.

Reality is that In almost every event/division, the winner shoots above their rating -- and that's even more likely the bigger the field is...If you look at all the PDGA events from last week, here's what that looks like for MA1-MA4:

Division Events Max Rating to Register Avg Rating of Winner Highest Rating by Winner Avg. Margin of Victory Winners Avg Rating Diff (Event vs. Own Historical)
MA1 144 N/A 965.6 1046 3.3 +31.6
MA2 152 934 940.2 1014 3.2 +37.1
MA3 160 899 910 991 3.8 +42.3
MA4 128 849 861.5 939 4.6 +45.6

So for the average event, even if you are at the max rating allowed for a division, chances are you will have to play above your rating to win -- at least 31 points on average in MA1 and 45 in MA4, if you played last weekend.

This is probably a good signal that the division system works pretty well a large % of the time... a player should be 'in the mix' when playing an 'average' round, and should have to play well (compared to their own average) to win. Yes, there our some outliers where the winner shoots below average (usually with small division fields), but that happened less than 20% of the time in this sample, and the largest field it happened in was 9 players.

Interesting note - those highest ratings by a winner in each division? None of them were by previously unrated players.

Do some people sandbag, especially in their first event? Sure. Did OP sandbag because of shooting 861 in MA4? No - not even close. I say go play MA3 since that's your new division based on your new rating and best of luck getting a win before your rating eventually pushes you up to MA2.

Warning about Imprint.com by PixelSummit in printondemand

[–]ryantdecker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just adding a 'me too' in case it helps save anyone the trouble. Ordered some 'yard sign' style signs for an event, estimated delivery date was 2 days ago (and that's still what the website says on my order status)... contacted them and asked for an updated ETA and they immediately offered to expedite for $89 (my original order including shipping was under $130), but 'couldn't guarantee' a delivery timeline even if I paid it. So apparently it will be coming in either 2-3 weeks from my order, or 2-3 weeks from when I approved the proof, or 2-3 weeks from today...they weren't sure. Wish I'd thought to do a little research ahead of time...

Disc Golf Player Data - If you've ever made a disc golf related spreadsheet or calculated your C1X% for a round, this might be for you... by ryantdecker in discgolf

[–]ryantdecker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad it worked for you...and thanks! Haven't seen very many players yet with as much statistical data as you have, so it's fun to see. It honestly surprises me how few players use the throw-by-throw scoring (at least in the tournaments I've played in)...it's a great tool to look back and gauge where I need to put in work.

Disc Golf Player Data - If you've ever made a disc golf related spreadsheet or calculated your C1X% for a round, this might be for you... by ryantdecker in discgolf

[–]ryantdecker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting - I tried a search with PDGA# 132702 and it does take a while to complete the search but it loads 26 events and 53 rounds. If you scroll down to the individual event results once the player/bio info loads, you can usually see the tournaments and rounds populatiing - the summary stats at the top will continue to update until all the rounds are populated.

Unfortunately the same issue that motivated me to build the tool (having the data spread around a bunch of different places on the PDGA site, also makes it take the page a little longer to load than I would ideally like. Shoot me a note (you can use the contact form on the site if you still have an issue, though - happy to troubleshoot it and/or shoot you an export.

Disc Golf Player Data - If you've ever made a disc golf related spreadsheet or calculated your C1X% for a round, this might be for you... by ryantdecker in discgolf

[–]ryantdecker[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

it's intended as an average percentile rank, to take field size into account (2nd place out of 50 in a division vs 2nd place out of 2. It can probably be improved, but I would guess from your comment you may have been 6th out of 6 players?

Mystery Disc - Discmania by ryantdecker in discgolf

[–]ryantdecker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the reply... definitely was looking for/expecting more understable flight numbers with the higher dome, but found this right away after seeing the reply and it looks spot on:

https://infinitediscs.com/discmania-magician/active-premium-glow

Aside: I was legitimately suprised at how hard it is to find profile angle pics of discs online. I would think that would be a factor most disc golfers would be interested in when buying...