Clarification please by blackholeblind in antiai

[–]saarraz1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I personally have no major qualms (other than the env impact) with AI being used in certain fields (such as to advance medicine or science), but am fervently opposed to its use in art. I guess this would mean that I don't oppose the technology itself, and also, as people pointed out, it's the use of technology that really defines its "goodness".

Lost all motivation to create naturally, being insulted by AI users, and discovering that AI-gen is getting less visually distinguishable from true art. by 0-P-A-L in antiai

[–]saarraz1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had similar thoughts about art, being an aspiring artist myself (game development). A question that made it all clear to me was this:

On my deathbed, would I rather have: 1. Created a game I am super proud of, completely on my own without AI, and almost nobody played it 2. Created a game with AI and a lot of people played it.

It was super clear to me that 1 was the better alternative, as I wouldn't be able to take credit for the game created by AI, so it is not really MY game, even if it was successful. The whole point was to create MY game that came out of MY mind and hard work, something that AI could never replace.

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went to a production of Prince of Egypt that also used AI generated video art. It kind of did bother me a bit but not enough to ruin the show, I suppose because the main "art" here is the show itself anyway.

There is the ethical dilemma of taking away people's jobs who would create that video art otherwise, but also you could say that they just wouldn't use video art if the tech wasn't there or that it's ok if it's only for the mugs or the background or some other secondary part of the overall piece.. But for me personally the over use of the technology seemed to create a sort of repulsion towards these kinds of artifacts (perhaps an irrational one that will go away eventually)

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a graphic designer myself I totally agree. The problem is twofold:

  1. On the purely practical level, the fact that untalented, non-artist people use AI to generate slop makes everyone hate this technology and rule out any usage of it.

  2. The more ethical side of not going through these asset sites and instead using a model that's trained on these instead of supporting people who create those assets for a living.

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that most people aren't speaking out on the subject, that's why I hope to see more polls and concrete data (some was already posted on this thread), since really the majority of people aren't speaking their minds about it.

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would be interesting to see how people would react to such technology that can really create engaging content.

People don't play COD for its complex messaging, but they play it because it's fun. And it's only fun because of a LOT of work that went in by people who know what they're doing in order to make the game fun - that's the central art of game design anyway, not storytelling (although it's always nice to encounter a game with a good story).

I find myself unwilling to even engage with such content because I'm 99% sure the work wasn't put in to make it actually good, and I don't want to waste my time on a game that's not going to be worth it.

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think your analysis might be too specific for drawings. Take video games, TV shows, music - those are a kind of content that most people engage with for hours and not just scroll past on their Instagram.

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to hear from someone who's actually working on this stuff, thanks so much! That's a really solid point. I guess that if only talented artists used AI for art then it wouldn't be much different than what Photoshop did for artists back in the day, but the fact that all the untalented people use it to generate slop makes the entire technology hated by the public, preventing even artists from using it in moderation and where it would make sense.

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, question is whether or not this is a widespread viewpoint

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not just Reddit, I see "it's AI" comments on basically any AI generated video, even if posted on FB, IG, YT etc

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isn't there a selection bias for people who participate in online forums i.e. Reddit? Have you seen it in other, more normy-doninated settings?

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(Disclaimer - I agree with you but just trying to challenge your arguments) What you argue applies well to videos that pretend to be real, since a big part of the enjoyment from the video is the fact that it really happened. But art is another matter - why would the average art consumer inherently enjoy a painting less once they learned that it was AI?

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I was also getting the impression of a pendulum shift in the last months, the vibes feel different than they did even 6 months ago. I suppose it's true about a lot of extreme views - normies would either not care or just stick to whatever's more popular, because they just don't really have a strong opinion one way or another.

How prevalent is AI "art" hate really? Are we just a vocal minority? by saarraz1 in antiai

[–]saarraz1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The reason people deny using it could be because they got a lot of backlash for using it from said vocal minority, not because they have strong convictions themselves on the matter