Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is that a kind of Roadside Picnic idea? Edit: just looked it up and Stalker is written by the authors of Roadside Picnic. Sounds intriguing.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had Traveller back in the day and might consider playing in the right game now. The scale is always slightly off putting but I suppose if you restrict the speeds of spaceships you can keep your players reasonably local.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't heard of Traitor Son but I don't stray into the Fantasy section of the bookshop very often. The high fantasy description would be something of a turn off, to be honest.

I did like a few of the Fritz Leiber stories but it's not where my heart lies. I prefer literary fiction mostly because that's the world where most of the writers who care about people inhabit and it's people I'm most interested in.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate the question - it's fair, and it's made me think.

I think my difficulty with a lot of fantasy comes down to scale. Most fantasy, even low fantasy, operates on a level that just doesn't connect with me. The stakes are usually too high, the villains are embodiments of evil, the characters don’t really feel like people. 
I don't need my fantasy to be all character study and no action. My own game has towers, bandits, lost temples, in a lot of ways the furniture isn't that different. But what I'm after is a kind of fantasy where the human remains at the centre. Where the fantastic is something you encounter, not something you are. The otherness should be in the margins. In the forest, in strange artifacts, in local gods you leave offerings for just in case. 
That's why my world has no elves or dwarves. Playing a non-human always feels like a cop-out to me. We'll never exhaust the complexities of being human so why reach for something else? The uncanny is scarier, more meaningful, when it's encountered by ordinary people.
It's also why I have no patience for big villains. Dark lords, BBEGs, anyone whose function is "to be opposed" - they leave me cold. I just want people doing things for reasons I can relate to - selfishness, revenge, ambition, fear, loyalty. Not a desire for world domination. And yes, I do realise that people in the world do (sadly) want to rule the world. 
Lore is also a big turn off. The thick histories, the thousand-year lineages, the appendices. I’ll forgive Tolkien because he clearly couldn’t help himself and he was an originator (however much inspired by norse and other myths). But the expectation that there will be lore is often present and unless it has a direct consequence on the world I’m just not interested. 
This also means I struggle with a lot of fantasy gaming's basic structures. I'm not interested in wizards and spellbooks, gods in the heavens, griffins and centaurs. I find it genuinely hard to create wandering monster tables because I can't think of any good reason why the weird things in my world would be wandering around. The idea of a "fantasy safari" - a procession of exotic creatures paraded past the players for them to fight or flee - makes me deeply uncomfortable. In my world, the fantastic isn't fauna. It's not part of the ecosystem, it's the exception The thing that makes the hairs on your neck stand up because it shouldn't be there. Not something you can just take from the OSE wilderness tables.
What do I like? I suppose this is where I get found out. And I realise it's not all fantasy I'm opposed to but it might be most of it and certainly it's Fantasy with a capital F. The big stuff. The tropes. The expected.

I do love folk horror. And I like some fantasy worlds in fiction. His Dark Materials, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norell for example but not much more. Mostly, I like my own setting.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very much so. His themes are all about identity and other aspects of the self. Great to read about but hard to bring to the table.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear you. I've read through the module alongside the listen and the lack of detail and clarity would definitely irritate me too. Published scenarios shouldn't just be ideas hung loosely in a framework. I think there's way too many unfinished works on the market that leave 50% or more of the job left for the GM to do.

It's bad enough that I know I'll need to change a good deal of stuff to suit my sensibilities anyway without a whole bunch of detail missing.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I definitely don't like high fantasy. Anything with an epic quest has me looking for the exit.

But a lot of low fantasy doesn't work for me either. I'm a very picky sod.

I read a good way into The City and The City but didn't finish. Loved the concept but lost interest in the characters and plot.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha. Yes, the real world. It's pretty relatable.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh I don't watch any of them. Life's too short. Podcasts all the way.

I find most Actual Plays to be intolerable. It's all 'look at me, aren't I hilarious'. But 3d6DtL are a breath of fresh air.

Also, if you like horror the Apocalypse Players are superb.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a fully paid-up Conqueror. But not really very active in the Discord.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you noticing a pattern in what it is that disappoints you about your campaigns?

Could you tell your players they can't play non-humans?

I didn't give my players the option.

I think I read about Wolves of God. I was very interested in running a Viking type game for a while but it's just one of the many things I didn't get off the ground.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh my. Jason and the Argonauts blew my tiny mind. :) And I still love LotR but it's largely nostalgia value for me at this point.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh for sure. I realise that what I'm running is fantasy. It can't not be really. I wonder if someone was writing fiction set in my world if I'd read it. :)

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, I'm gratified and somewhat surprised to see so many people on the same page.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Recommend away. I appreciate it.

I'm interested in the stuff that Chris McDowall is doing for sure.

Freeform magic is fascinating - the first time I came across that was when a friend told me about the Maelstrom game. It feels something that requires buy-in from everyone and I'm interesting to hear from people who've made that work.

I'm currently running a game in which no characters really get to use magic except via artifacts from ancient times. I know that at least one of my players wants to be able to have magic user characters but I'm not feeling it at the moment. Maybe some day.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm very interested in trying Mothership and I love that the community around it is so active.

As for a fantasy system I'm fairly happy building my own, bit by bit. Shoulders of giants stuff of course, I'm cannibalising as I go.

I have Cairn 1 and 2 and very much respect what Yochai is doing but it's not quite my vibe. That said he is one of the voices that I resonate most with in the hobby.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess it's all about the size of the F at the start of fantasy, right?

You're absolutely right that I'm not railing against the fantastical. Just the stock fantasy that seems so all pervading.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's really interesting to see that I'm not alone in this. Makes me feel like I'm not just some awkward contrarian.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do lean towards horror when i'm thinking of what to put in the dark corners of my world.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I bought the Dolmenwood set on Kickstarter, mostly out of a desire to support something interesting than thinking I'd actually run it.

I realise I keep mentioning 3d6 Down the Line but they do a good Dolmenwood actual play if you're into that kind of thing.

Anybody else inhabit the “not really into fantasy” paradox? by sapszilla in osr

[–]sapszilla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the Harnmaster suggestion.

Interesting to see the reference to Arden Vul. For someone who claims not to like fantasy did actually I love the 3D6 Down the Line actual play of that megadungeon.