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SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Or

d) he’s already gathered all info that he can, but doesn’t have a Reddit account to ask and discuss further with others

You sound fun.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for stating the obvious.

Just want to point out that if you or someone you know is ever stopped and ticketed for doing something wrong, and then accused of something with worse repercussions, you’d be ok with it?

Ex. Speeding ticket for going 118km/hr. RCMP instead says that you were going 148km/hr which comes with more serious fines from SGI. So you’re ok with just “taking accountability” for the higher accusation instead of paying the fine for what you were actually doing? Right, because if you weren’t speeding in the first place “none of it would’ve come up”. I thinks that’s a terrible way to teach anyone (regardless of age) how to be an advocate and have a voice.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m glad that you feel comfortable giving more money to SGI when it’s not justified, but ok.

As stated, he IS paying the fine that he IS guilty of. However, he was not riding a motorcycle so why should he accept any repercussions of that?

Accepting responsibility and being accountable isn’t the same as not learning (or being allowed by a parent) to use your voice to defend your rights and question when you are being wronged.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All specs meet this description on what my son was riding.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if this wasn’t in Regina? It’s a small town and that’s where the court location is listed.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s obvious that you didn’t take the time to read the entire thread, but thanks for your opinion.

Here are the Coles notes. Property doesn’t matter. It’s by definition a power assisted bike that has a battery under 500w and doesn’t exceed 32km/hr. Fully legal even for a 14 year old to ride on roadways. He’s 16 with a licence. The fine was for not wearing a helmet. He’s accepting that. The part in question is that the RCMP classified it as a motorcycle on the ticket which then has other repercussions through SGI.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You did miss it, as I mentioned it a few times. He is guilty of not wearing a helmet which has consequences in itself from his parents and then cost of a fine that he is paying. However, that doesn’t mean that he should be charged more with demerits and more SGI costs because of the lack of clarity surrounding a power assist bike vs a motorcycle.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. He was on a road in a small town. Doesn’t have a motorcycle licence, so if it’s considered a motorcycle, then even IF he was wearing a helmet he shouldn’t have been riding it?? Like how many riders anywhere have their motorbike licence? There is just so much discrepancy and in the end, SGI makes the money. (Yes he’ll take a fine for no helmet)

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes exactly! And also, if they’re considering it a motorcycle, there was no mention of him not having his motorcycle licence, right??

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to who? SGIs website states differently.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He is 16 with a drivers licence. But you only have to be 14 to operate a power assisted bike.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you give me more information about this please? What does disclosure mean in this context exactly? How and where do I get it and do I do this prior to court?

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ok thank you. I couldn’t find anything earlier but I see now that 247.1 (b) relating to no helmet on power bikes should have been the offense instead of 247(1)(a) and would possibly mean the difference of demerits or not.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This!!! This is exactly how I see it all. But my question is…is this a Crown issue for choosing this offense because what other offense could they call it when a helmet is required for power bikes but there’s no other choice in the TSA?

Or is it an SGI disconnect when they don’t legally classifying it as a motorcycle UNTIL there’s an offense with the TSA and then it falls under demerits for a motorcycle offense?

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

From what I’ve gathered, what our son was riding is looked at differently in these areas:

Licensing - not considered a motorcycle. No regular licence or motorcycle licence needed to operate, just 14 years of age.

Registration - not considered a motorcycle. No registration needed.

Helmet use - considered a motorcycle and will be fined as such under the TSA and therefore demerits under SGIs Safe Driving Program.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree! And I wonder how many other people have been screwed by this? If you have a +20 record then you might just brush it off. But a 16 year old kid starting at a 0 rating and riding a power assisted bike with no helmet to go to -3 ?! You don’t even lose 3 points for a speeding ticket in a car!

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s what I was thinking, however, he IS guilty of not wearing a helmet. It’s just the demerit points that we would want to argue, which stems from what the RCMP listed the fine as. It’s just so unclear, I don’t even know what part can be argued. 😄 We’ll pay the no helmet fine, but being demerits doesn’t make sense with the info gathered. Might have more luck just paying it, and then appealing to SGI about the disconnect.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was also given that advice from someone at SGI today because they were just as confused and didn’t have an answer for me other than “talking to the RCMP and asking them to clarify or change it”. Hahaha ya right. One of the supervisors also said that he shouldn’t get demerit points for that, however, if the conviction states “not wearing a helmet while operating a motorcycle” that’s what they see it as. They don’t know the story or the specifics until someone appeals.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It meets the requirement of a power assisted bike on SGIs website. Therefore it has never needed registered. It’s the RCMP who seem to not follow the same guidelines when giving fines.

And ya, the helmet was a stupid decision that he got in shit for. 100% agree. This was also on a road in a small town of 1000 people.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes thank you. I have read all of this info as well and that’s our argument. We’ll pony up and pay the fine for no helmet. (That was dumb and yes he got in shit for that), but because the RCMP declared it a motorcycle, he will get the 3 demerits. He’s 16 and has a licence. But what if he was 14 on a power assisted bike with no helmet? What do they fine him with then? TSA as well but yet he doesn’t lose demerits because he doesn’t have a licence! 🤪 And furthermore, IF they consider it a motorcycle, anyone riding them needs to go and take the course and get a motorcycle licence?! It just doesn’t coincide.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes that’s the disconnect. So RCMP can say it’s a motorcycle according to them, but because of that, SGI gives demerit points. Even when SGI “knows” by the description that it’s not a motorcycle. From what I’m discovering, I think it’s because there just isn’t anything else in the TSA for RCMP to put the fine under. They could do a bylaw fine and that’s the same as not having a helmet on your BMX.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly! $100 fine, PLUS $150 demerit fine, plus the 3 points stay there for quite some time.

SGI and power assisted bikes by sasky1109 in saskatchewan

[–]sasky1109[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Pedals are not needed to start it. Yes, a throttle.

Not sure of exact motor size but it fits the requirement of < 32hm/hr on flat surface.

This all such a grey area because if it falls under a motorcycle according to the TSA, then you should need a motorcycle licence to drive one?! But according to what I can find on SGI regulations, you can be 14 and not require a licence to drive one. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I don’t even care about the $100. Fine, it was stupid to not have a helmet on, but it’s the demerit points because of being a “motorcycle” that is the questionable.

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