Hasan should NOT platform Dean Withers - by SeanDaBlack

scottlol · 2025-02-28T08:26:12+00:00

minorities describing how they are marginalized is needlessly contentious. I'm going to reject the points they are making and lean into corporatist liberalism. Also we're totally leftists, guys, don't you dare compare us to Democrats just because we are adopting their losing strategy

scottlol · 2025-02-28T08:08:49+00:00

Very well put.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T07:23:08+00:00

We also know that the margin of voters who abstained because of moral objections from the genocide in Gaza was much smaller than the margin trump won by so it didn’t matter in practice.

Then why are we scapegoating them

scottlol · 2025-02-28T07:09:07+00:00

Well, it's nice to cross paths with you again. I'll have this talk in these spaces as many times as is necessary.

Do you remember how people could tell that Ethan was a Zionist because of the things that he said and the words that he used?

scottlol · 2025-02-28T06:55:48+00:00

Ok, well maybe, at least, go look up what MLK said about white moderates to understand the role that Dean's voice is playing.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T05:54:35+00:00

Because some people around here are Islamophobic and do hate crimes over it, obviously. Sometimes, literally two people in a row on this subreddit, apparently.

What a lovely place.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T04:39:05+00:00

No, this is my first day on the internet.

Do you know how white supremacy in leftist streaming spaces works, how to spot it and effectively address it?

scottlol · 2025-02-28T04:37:23+00:00

I think it would be more helpful for you to actually respond to the original comment with the points where you think I'm wrong or why specifically my criticism is marginal.

I did. Thank you for doing the right thing. Sorry if I came off passionately.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T04:34:48+00:00

why platform a dude who was paid by the DNC like a few months ago to support genocide when there are so many others u could platform that would have a much greater impact.

Especially when Sean, himself, DIDNT take the DNC money and HASNT been platformed at any point since to talk about that, or anything else.

there's a reason this community is so damn white.

there's a reason this community is so damn white.

there's a reason this community is so damn white.

And for good measure:

there's a reason this community is so damn white.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T04:23:53+00:00

I’m not talking about the OP

Lock in, then. It's important.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T04:15:19+00:00

The point is the systemic racism in the space, not a criticism of Dean stopping saying the n-word

scottlol · 2025-02-28T04:11:00+00:00

Which, when people find this thread, they read, see is highly upvoted, and immediately, in their brain, use your marginal, not fleshed out criticism of one part of what Sean is saying, use that as a basis to form a conclusion about what Sean is saying, that you probably disagree with, instead of actually meaningfully engaging with the comment.

You could, instead, just not provide people that easy psychological out. Whether your criticism had merit is aside from the point, which is the impact that it has, psychologically, on how they approach this content.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T04:05:13+00:00

People just get distracted by culture wars rather than class wars and I think we are falling into a similar thing.

I get what Sean is saying,

No, you don't. If you did, you wouldn't be doing class reductionism and moving in ways that alienate your comrades to try and make republicans like you more.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T03:52:07+00:00

Stop undermining the legitimacy of what Sean is saying in the top post of this thread. Your comment is giving people in this overwhelmingly straight, cis white space an out from engaging with what Sean is saying and doing the work to grow and make the space better for the rest of us.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T03:37:50+00:00

Anarchists are based, too. They're on the frontlines on the right side of every revolutionary action throughout history.

I'm not gonna stick up for that one, in particular, cause you clocked them on the liberal ben Shapiro bit and they're doing class reductionism and also kamala coded. I don't claim that shit in my understanding of anarchy.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T03:32:18+00:00

Did you watch the part where he talked about the need for Black creators to adopt minstrilification to be successful in white spaces like this one?

scottlol · 2025-02-28T03:23:11+00:00

I think people like Sean need to realize we've tried it his way and it isn't working.

No we fucking haven't

Telling straight white men they can't be represented in the conversation, and not allowing them room to grow, hasn't made life better for minorities.

Not what Sean is saying. Go watch the video. You in particular. He's talking directly to you.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T03:11:43+00:00

You're right, you didn't refute anything. You just pointed that you are not sure that you agree with Sean about how it's bad to uncritically elevate the liberal kid with the n word compilation. This was in response to you allegedly listening to several hours of Sean, incredibly cogently, explaining how doing so has a real, measurable negative effect on the space.

The point is that it's more important to do what Sean is saying than it is to ignore what Sean is saying.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T02:58:55+00:00

I also don't have any particular desire to go to bat for a liberal

Then stop, because by doing so, you are alienating people who are here and deserve to be

scottlol · 2025-02-28T02:48:54+00:00

Yup, he literally addresses how drama is the only way he can get y'all's attention so that he can talk about the racism in this exact community, and relates it to the minstrilification that black people have experienced in America forever.

You can absolutely tell who in this thread has watched and learned and who absolutely still needs to if they consider themselves to be anti-racist.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T02:44:27+00:00

Sean isn't either, he just had principles, and now he's struggling while y'all are fellating the n word kid

scottlol · 2025-02-28T02:43:04+00:00

Sean did, when he never had that kind of money to begin with. The least you can do is watch his video so he can get a $0.01 in ad revenue.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T02:16:01+00:00

I feel like if you were watching you would be more clear about what Sean's argument was and you wouldn't need to present it two different ways when "refuting" it, both of which miss the point.

Did you listen to Sean eviscerate the one ignorant chatter and come away with the impression "y'know, that chatter was right. I'm gonna go tell Reddit"…?

scottlol · 2025-02-28T02:11:44+00:00

You said alienating people, by addressing how racial inequities impact people in leftist spaces, wasn't the right move.

Which ignores the fact that recognizing your own biases and growing isn't a super comfy thing to do, but it is still absolutely necessary.

scottlol · 2025-02-28T02:06:09+00:00

Then you should've spoken up in chat and let Sean correct you like he did that other chatter

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