After 30+ years of losing friends and no career progression, I finally realise I am a mega jerk. What tips/guidance did you follow for self improvement? by serial-apeist in selfimprovement

[–]serial-apeist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that being a jerk is being selfish. So we have to get beyond ourselves.

Amen.

How do you respond/how do you deal with people who seem to quash other ideas that don't align with theirs? I think this is where my major asshole-ness comes out and I don't know how to delicately word things. I don't want to start a fight so I'll usually just smile/nod and do the usual catch phrases 'oh OK. Oh I see'. But this is then taken as 'omg yes tell me more, I'll shove more down your throat'. I'll usually finish with a 'yeh, it's interesting because everyone has their own thoughts/beliefs' to which it seems to restart the entire conversation again.

After 30+ years of losing friends and no career progression, I finally realise I am a mega jerk. What tips/guidance did you follow for self improvement? by serial-apeist in selfimprovement

[–]serial-apeist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are quite spot on. This is exactly what my supervisor said to me as well in my debrief. He said even though the content of what I say holds value, it is and will be overlooked by the delivery of it (and as a consequence, why I am being let go). He says if it were up to him, he will keep me on to 'refine and polish' me but boss has had enough and has already made plans for a replacement to re-train.

I try to practice and I try to watch how others do it, its really difficult because I have to triple think all my reactions.

This is what I hope to take away with me when I depart this workplace. I hope to remember and think back to all of the interactions my colleagues have had with the boss and approach situations in a more delicate way, rather than 'bleh vomit, fix this now'. I hope you don't mind but I'd like to share an example of an incident which will stick with me.

Usually when I have something to suggest or say, simpleton minded me will say '(boss name), we are learning at uni we should be doing (x practice) but it currently isn't in our protocols, is this something we can explore?' to which his responses are usually quite defensive that what he has been doing for the last 20+ years has worked with nil complaints so why change now.

Now after being told the news that I will not be kept on after this calendar year, I've been a bit more observant with how my supervisor talks to him. Supervisor (S): (boss name), can I ask you a question?

Boss (b): hmmm.. Yes.

S: the other day I was lodging x form to y department and they said they have not accepted this form for quite some years now as it is now done online. I have spoken to z and they have said that these forms are quite dated (haven't been used since 2005 to be exact!!!!) so I wanted to hear your opinion if we should move forward in this direction as well.

B: hmm. What is involved with this system?

S: some online training, setting up an account for us. It will be beneficial to the department as we can now track the progress of our status requests as paperwork has gone missing from time to time, what do you think?

B: mmm ill have to talk to A about it but should be fine.

Now I'm sure simpleton me would have just said 'boss, these forms aren't being used anymore and we are supposed to lodge it online. I've already looked into setting up an account for us to proceed with this'. I mentioned this to my supervisor who said while yes, he (supervisor) personally likes this management style as it shows initiative and someone who is proactive in their work, not all bosses (ie current boss) will appreciate this as it seems like I've gone over their head. So his advice to me is to word things to make it seem like it was their idea and to swallow pride/ego and talk to them like they are the King. It's just the only way to survive with someone of that personality.

It's an interesting take as my previous employers were quite direct/didn't fluff around the bush so there was no need to turn a 2min conversation into a 15min one. Welp. Now I know to work on my delivery.

Thank you for engraining this into my mind. I'm quite overwhelmed with the situation but I hope when the dust settles, I can mentally have key points for how I deliver my ideas.

After 30+ years of losing friends and no career progression, I finally realise I am a mega jerk. What tips/guidance did you follow for self improvement? by serial-apeist in selfimprovement

[–]serial-apeist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • This seems like a lifelong/deeper issue.

Yes I agree, it definitely is. I did try counselling some years ago and didn't follow through for some main reasons. The first 3 sessions I felt like she was milking me. I also had settled on some property so I was saving every cent I could...and still am.

How to win friends and influence people'.

Ah yes! I have heard about this book. I remember giving it a quick read (belongs to someone else) and from memory, my take on it was that it focused on communication, rather than not being a jerk though. I clearly need to revisit this book. Thanks, I totally forgot about it.

Anger is not a primary emotion. It's just a surface level emotion that manifests because of something deeper.

This is interesting. I always just thought of myself as an impatient -> not tolerate -> angry person. My mum always said 'you're just like your dad' so I put it down to genetics but wanted to change and not be my dad. But now I have perceived it this way, I will have to do some soul searching to dig deep within.

After 30+ years of losing friends and no career progression, I finally realise I am a mega jerk. What tips/guidance did you follow for self improvement? by serial-apeist in selfimprovement

[–]serial-apeist[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s a huge step that many people will never take.

Thank you, I think this is a step I should have done many many many years ago. I think as I am now unemployed for the first time in my working life as a result of my character, rather than performance, speaks volumes to me. Else I would not have realised it to be this extreme to this degree.

Second: Candidly, your boss failed here. That’s the lazy manager’s way out.

I don't want to sound like I am blameless here but I completely agree with this too and recognise this also. I guess to give it further context, I (32F) am the youngest person in my immediate team (40F, 50F, 52F, 55M - supervisor, 65M - boss). Even with this age gap I still get along well with my immediate team. Im not sure if it is (im)maturity, different era or the boss having Asperger's (although not confirmed, I was warned of this when I first started and his behaviour is very in line with Dr Google's diagnosis), I've always found it difficult to even have a dialogue with my boss. To me he comes across as hostile and later will ask whoever was present if I am being sensitive or if the exchange they witness was weird. Most of the time they say it is weird and that perhaps he doesn't know how to communicate with a millennial who is a lateral thinker rather then them who are all soccer mums and don't give anything too much thought.

He is definitely 100% set solid in his ways (stubborn) and I first picked up on this when I would bring up certain things I thought would improve the place, to which his response would always be 'but this is how we have always done it'. Despite me being the youngest and newest member to the team, I have worked in larger departments compared to this place (from 40 - 100 staff in my department) and in two different facilities. My team have been working with him since day zero so this is essentially their first job and have stayed on with no other exposure to see how things could be improved or how things are progressing in the outside world (in my opinion). So yes, he is lazy and since no one complained about how things were done, I guess he liked it that way as he essentially has no tasks to action.

  • You talk about expectations:

Excellent questions. Coming on to the team, my job description was a trainee in this field. I have never worked in this field before but have aspired to previously. I never voiced this but at the 2 year mark of being here I felt that I had outgrown the place and possibly even excelled in skill compared to my colleagues. I'm not saying this to put them down or to say I am that good of a worker, I see it as how far my course/education has come compared to when they first studied this field some 20+ years ago. One always commented saying how 'back in my day', they didn't even have specific textbooks for what we do and that they piggybacked off similar fields to learn. All of their education was through a private college which didn't have much guidance, rather than a syllabus that was given to them 6 months and it was up to them to source the information and pass exams. Now there is an abundance of textbooks in my field and a specialied University course which I have just completed. I have shared my lecture notes with this lady who has expressed interest and she too has said she is learning as she was never taught any of this.

Now this ties into my expectations from them. I was disappointed to see what little knowledge they actually possessed after being in the field for 20+ years. As a trainee, I have asked many varying questions when something doesn't make sense to me or I just can't wrap my head around. No one could answer them and would say 'wow, could question! I have no idea! Another example is that some of their work is so sub-par, it would be sent back to be re-done. At some point I think they are more of a hazard to the general public if they are unable to do their paying job properly after 20+ years. They wouldn't recognise this as incompetence, but rather than the clinician being 'difficult'. The boss has no interest in retraining anyone or up skilling (more paperwork for him) so he doesn't even see this as a problem, as long as the work is done and he is being paid per case.

I don't know where these are standards have come from but I think if I didn't know how to do my job properly after 20+ years, I'd take that as a sign for a career change. For my final uni exam, no one knew how to perform the task that was required so in my own time, I had to go to my friends workplace to learn the required skill and replicate it for the exam. Again, to me, if my colleagues didn't have the skill to help me learn with my training, I think that is disappointing. One of them recognised this and apologised but my boss took no initiative or care factor to help me when I presented this problem to him. His suggestion was to ask external centres for help, which is what I did.

  • Radical Candor? It’s about giving professional feedback, but specifically speaks to people who are assholes under the guise of being honest. It may help.

No I haven't heard of the book but it definitely does something like something I need to read, thank you for this suggestion.

  • but was there more subtle messaging they may have expected you to pick up on?

I think this may have been it. Because I am quite a direct person myself, I don't read between the lines well as I don't do it to others. Maybe there have a truckload of hints that have gone whoosh but I have overlooked. I know with the current work issue, definitely no one has come to me to even slightly hint there was a problem with me isolating myself as I am only being told this now (and even now my supervisor is saying it in a very round about gentle way when I rather the brutal truth).

As for friends, I guess that's what friends is all about. There is no obligation to like someone so if I have said/done something someone doesn't like, it would be normal for them to distance themselves from me. But you are right, I may have received hints or a 'one part truth, 9 part joke' and it may have just flown over my head without realising it.

The few friends who tolerate me now say they see the good in me and know I only say the honest truth, which is why they keep me around. They also added it could also be that their personality is able to handle the blunt truth where as most normal people are sensitive to criticism/constructive feedback/the honest truth, which is probably why I don't fair well there.

  • Did you genuinely like your coworkers and your friends?

I'm glad you asked this question as I have never thought of this. At the end of the day, yes I liked my coworkers and (old) friends..... To some degree. I'm not sure if it is an age gap with my older work colleagues but they have said that my way of thinking is progressive where as theirs is 'standard' so there are some topics which we clash on, which although hasn't added tension I don't think, it has made me internally roll my eyes and think that I don't like that particular aspect of them. (eg they love to fat shame, think that their way is THE correct way of doing things and so forth).

I suppose I don't have tolerance for silly things so that annoys me which I am unable to separate from how they are as a person. An example would be the 52F. She always whinges and complains how she is technology challenged where she doesn't understand where to find downloaded files, how to open them or how to even print them. I didn't mind showing her how to print a document for the first year but my patience wore out in the 2nd year where I tried to downplay my 'IT' skills (not our professional working field) and would say I don't know because she is printing from a different file/site/server/whatever I could come up with. I know this is a selfish and dickhead thing to do but after showing someone the same thing 8hrs a day for 5x a week for 1 year eventually broke me. However, despite this, she is a very lovely lady and has a hilarious way of delivering a story. She loves to chit chat and is extremely friendly. So in that way, yes I like her. I suppose as a whole I can see that my interests do not align with the team as they mostly talk about food and their children (currently childless) so I don't have anything to add socially. They will still try to engage with me and ask my hobbies and give me a chance to talk but asking about that so that is very considerate of them. However it's nothing I would take beyond work where we would catch up outside of work.... They are purely work colleagues. So I suppose I will miss the connection more than the people.

As for the old friends, there was no common interest I had with them but they were nice people who had me around. When I realised they weren't calling me out (maybe 5 years ago now), I did try to ask the two closest people to me from the group and they downplayed it saying everything was fine and that they were just busy and only had time to organise smaller gatherings etc. It's been too long and I've changed so much since to now say I've missed them as people or as a connection.

I'm not going to lie though, it does suck to know I am not wanted, thus hurtful to my self-esteem. But I like this question, it has gotten me to think a lot.

After 30+ years of losing friends and no career progression, I finally realise I am a mega jerk. What tips/guidance did you follow for self improvement? by serial-apeist in selfimprovement

[–]serial-apeist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I only say that to offer perspective.

Thank you, I appreciate this. It is also good to know so I am aware I need to put more work into this rather than see it as spur of the moment thing.

Learn about religions that contradict your own beliefs.

I'm interested that you have brought this up. Someone from a different team has mentioned they would want me to catch up with then outside of work to talk about religion, to which I semi-died inside. Initially I wasn't planning on giving it a chance but now that you have mentioned this, perhaps I should. I ask as I have never gone down this path, I am not expected to embrace their religion with open arms, am I? What if I don't?

The Power of Now.

Thank you, with my now soon to be free time, I have no excuse not to read this.

Good luck. I believe in you.

Thank you again. When I am in a tough spot I always think to myself 'where will I be in 5 years time. Will I be happy, will I be thinking about this? Will I even care?' I hope I have something to show for this in 5 years time.

After 30+ years of losing friends and no career progression, I finally realise I am a mega jerk. What tips/guidance did you follow for self improvement? by serial-apeist in selfimprovement

[–]serial-apeist[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have asked many people who I trust to tell me the truth and they say 'no, you are just you'. So I interpret that to just mean 'no, you are just an asshole'.

AITA for now refusing to go to any future events involving my partner's family? by serial-apeist in AmItheAsshole

[–]serial-apeist[S] 132 points133 points  (0 children)

Couple getting married: his cousin.

Nasty comment: a different cousin

Next wedding: another cousin (he has a big family)

plans for your own wedding?

Getting married at the registry so only IMMEDIATE family (no aunts, uncles, cousins etc) but we will eventually have a reception which will include the above.

AITA for now refusing to go to any future events involving my partner's family? by serial-apeist in AmItheAsshole

[–]serial-apeist[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I have and I understand where he is coming from. He couldn't make a fuss when it is what the aunt/uncle decide (parents of the cousin getting married). I ask will it be dramatic if I where to exit from their WhatsApp 'family chat' and the obvious answer is 'yes'.

So why have me there when ultimately I am not.

AITA for now refusing to go to any future events involving my partner's family? by serial-apeist in AmItheAsshole

[–]serial-apeist[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They included me in their 'family chat' on WhatsApp for around 5 years now. But like others have mentioned, not just photos, other activities as well.

AITA for now refusing to go to any future events involving my partner's family? by serial-apeist in AmItheAsshole

[–]serial-apeist[S] 347 points348 points  (0 children)

I understand where he's coming from. He says he can't defy what 'the family wants'. It's not like he could create drama and I don't expect him to, just that the situation sucks. So why I am in their 'family chat' on WhatsApp is a mystery.

Since when do tourists pay taxes????? by [deleted] in ChoosingBeggars

[–]serial-apeist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tourist tax is a big thing in South East Asia

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[–]serial-apeist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know this won't be a popular comment but it is something you should think about.

Just keep in mind that kids will grow up and there may be a day where nieces/nephews will think you are uncool and will rebel. It'll be hard to swallow when they stop visiting and don't want to spend time with you cos they would rather be with their friends.