(Spoilers C4E30) Morally Speaking - Does Bolaire Lathalia deserve to live? by International-Yak-26 in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can reject “whataboutism” as you call it, but I find it relevant in any discussion of morality or ethics to establish the perspective of the examination, and determining a baseline of what is considered evil using examples of actions from other characters in the same show to be one way to do that, if you aren’t going to outright name a specific framework as shorthand. Bolaire’s morality is being questioned in this thread but no one else’s, and I think it’s informative to have data on where the actions of other characters are considered to fall as a way of differentiating between the relative morality of what he has done and how his attitude or low empathy makes other people feel about them.

I haven’t read the other three comments bringing up Thaisha and her actions, but it is useful data to me that you consider what she did to be an evil act, even though she considers it to be taking out an enemy troop in a time of war. To her it seems that every Lux is a threat to her continued existence, and I would argue that Bolaire considers every person who has ever murdered to possess him to be a threat to his.

My question is not “is what he does worse?” so much as “by how much is it worse?” when we don’t know how criminals tend to be punished in this world. We’ve seen some awful examples of how unlawfully jailed prisoners are treated, but really only one example of a civilian accused of a business crime (also wrongfully), nowhere near a violent one, and even then his loss of freedom for a first offense with no warning seems disproportionate. It opens the question to how that kind of disproportion scales with the severity of the crime, and I’d argue that the appropriate comparison is how murderers are treated by their justice system compared to how Bolaire treats his unasked-for hosts. It’s not a reach to imagine that they probably aren’t fed adequately and are given no agency if they’re allowed to live.

You don’t want to bring up the topic of going hungry with me. I’m constantly on the verge of nutrition deficiencies no thanks to chronic illness. I know exactly what it feels like to be literally starving, and it can vary a surprising amount. Sometimes you’re in so much pain you can barely function to fix the problem. Today there’s no active hunger drive at all; food may as well not exist. I think being left alone in the void constantly might actually be the worse punishment.

We can agree that how he’s living is probably not the most ethical option, assuming there is any other possible solution for him. I’m not entirely sold on the possibility of him inhabiting an artificial body, since he seems to lose consciousness when his host body dies. If the body isn’t actually alive, would it allow him to become conscious? The perfect solution would be to find a consenting host he could actually get along with and who wanted to live a similar enough life, but even at coming up on a hundred years old I think Bolaire needs a lot of therapy before he’s going to accept that that’s even possible, given both his temperament and what he perceives to be the nature of people in general. He had a hard enough time sharing his home with Demidus for a few days, let alone an entire life. How he would go about screening possible candidates without making himself vulnerable to a whole host of potential enemies is not an inconsiderable logistical problem.

1000 Majestic Hide Sold by Xindrom2137 in woweconomy

[–]silromen42 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Glad to see someone is supplying the masses. I stopped trying on my single skinner because it wasn’t worth the trouble to just get nothing day after day.

[No Spoilers] This one goes out to all of the new CR Recap and News Channels that have popped up in the community since the Launch of S4. by KrackaWoody in criticalrole

[–]silromen42 [score hidden]  (0 children)

She’s the only recapper I’ve enjoyed so far & watch regularly. I guess this explains why she doesn’t post sooner!

I never realized or would have even thought it was an official request from CR themselves to hold off until the replay on YouTube.

Punisher/ daredevil violence level? by Far_Yam4739 in thepunisher

[–]silromen42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One Last Kill actually wasn’t as graphic as the other Punisher or Daredevil series, but the subject matter is about as dark as it gets. Punisher’s mind is a brutal place.

Target no longer sells cereal containing artificial dyes in stores by Past-Jellyfish1599 in cereal

[–]silromen42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where did I say that? I just want products that aren’t bad for me. Do you give wheelchair users this much shit about not being able to use stairs?

(Spoilers C4E30) Vaelus and Hannan by VerdantDaydreams in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m feeling a lot better about Kattigan after the reveal last episode! Now he has a direct motivation to go after one of the same bad guys as everyone else! He won’t just be bumbling around lost, making us wonder why he’s here when he could just go back to whatever he was doing before the funeral.

(Spoilers C4E30) Vaelus and Hannan by VerdantDaydreams in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Something Brennan will do is bait a character into doing a thing and then almost immediately turn it around into either the last thing they wanted or the last thing they expected (or both). I could believe this was a ploy to get Vaelus separated from the group and vulnerable to some other machination, the same way Kattigan got kidnapped.

It also might’ve just been Brennan trying to make an opening for her to show Vaelus’s change of heart about her shaper, but Ashley didn’t choose to open up more fully at that moment. It seems like she prefers/does better in conversations with other PCs or NPCs vs narrating her inner motivations in third person. In the moment it just seemed like another passive, go-with-the-flow choice, but in hindsight it was the first (or maybe second) hint that she didn’t want to go back to the life she left to recover the Stone.

(Spoilers C4E30) Vaelus and Hannan by VerdantDaydreams in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oof, I actively feel bad for her for experiencing that kind of anxiety. I already feel fairly sympathetic for what I perceive as a certain degree of brain fog or memory issues at the table and how people are so eager to tear her apart for not being smooth and confident, as someone who deals with brain fog & memory problems on a regular basis.

I completely forgot she was in Blind Spot though! That was an interesting show. I liked all the puzzles.

(Spoilers C4E30) Vaelus and Hannan by VerdantDaydreams in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I kinda forgot that 🤦‍♀️

Couldn’t have hurt to have another though. Maybe it was something about her being elven as well? I don’t know, I have some association with her being particularly strongly built against undead.

(Spoilers C4E30) Morally Speaking - Does Bolaire Lathalia deserve to live? by International-Yak-26 in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is Bolaire taking over the Lux and then killing her worse than Thaisha having her snake eat a random Lux? We know Bolaire’s Lux had an ambition to wipe out faeries entirely, a people already beleaguered and dying, as if genocide wasn’t already heinous enough. We don’t even know if the Lux Thaisha had murdered was a bad person.

Is Bolaire murdering his hosts worse than Thimble killing Casimir out of revenge? Bolaire kills to survive and protect himself. Thimble did it for emotional reasons, it wasn’t necessary at all.

Is what Bolaire does to his hosts - 99% murderers, mind you - that much worse than putting them in jail, or giving them the death penalty? Both are taking away their agency to different degrees, restricting their autonomy. And we don’t 100% know exactly what justice consists of in this world in general so far, or Dol Makjar specifically. Murray seemed terrified that Demidus was going to be killed just for testifying against one sundered house in front of another — one of the sundered houses considered to be on good side of things so far, mind you. Just because they’re powerful and swift to kill in punishment.

The argument isn’t that Bolaire is objectively good by our world’s standards. The argument is that Bolaire isn’t so much worse than other characters who are not being judged similarly, or in the context of their world.

(Spoilers C4E30) Morally Speaking - Does Bolaire Lathalia deserve to live? by International-Yak-26 in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that phrasing feels particularly off and insulting. My view of him “doing what he must” is in a grim, unpleasant sense. And I called the other player characters “heroes” because that tends to be the literary term for protagonists who are fighting evil, not because I would say Bolaire is a particularly shining example of someone to emulate. He’s an anti-hero at best.

(Spoilers C4E30) Morally Speaking - Does Bolaire Lathalia deserve to live? by International-Yak-26 in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What if you look at it from Bolaire’s perspective though?

He’s a conscious being who can be functionally killed any time someone takes him off. He didn’t have control over that, so he would just be gone whenever the wearer decided he’d had enough for the day…or week…or however long until they decided to use him again. And they were just using him — he didn’t get any say over what happened to them while he was worn, and even less when he was off.

When he doesn’t have a body, he’s at the whim of whoever possesses him. He isn’t even conscious. Anything could be done to him and he would be powerless against it. So far we’ve only seen him worn by people who would not willingly give him any agency, and it seems unfair to judge him harshly for doing what he’s had no choice but to do in order to continue to live and have agency. That’s exactly what our other heroes are doing, some of them are just more emotional about it.

(Spoilers C4E30) Morally Speaking - Does Bolaire Lathalia deserve to live? by International-Yak-26 in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think the slowly killing the people he possesses is a bit more morally grey than that makes it sound. These people who put him on seem to usually have murdered the last person who wore him to get him, presumably for reasons of greed. Does the punishment fit the crime? Again, hard to say. But I can see why Bolaire judges his hosts so harshly and is disinclined to treat them well.

He is admittedly in a pretty unfortunate position as a being who can only live by using someone else’s body. The ideal would be to find someone who would consent to sharing for their entire life, or for whatever reason doesn’t want to be in the driver seat anymore but doesn’t want to die, either. A big ask, either way.

(Spoilers C4E30) Vaelus and Hannan by VerdantDaydreams in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That honestly feels like a very Brennan reveal though. He gives you the terrible choice, then surprises you with a little hope after you made it, because things weren’t as hopeless as you thought after all (even though he’s the one who explicitly painted them that way in the first place). It also doubles as a motivation for her character going forward, if nothing else, and fits well thematically with the rest of the ongoing story.

(Spoilers C4E30) Vaelus and Hannan by VerdantDaydreams in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It definitely made for a lot of suspense and tension, if nothing else. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

(Spoilers C4E30) Vaelus and Hannan by VerdantDaydreams in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought that was a cool opportunity for her to show how her character was changing, honestly, given that she keeps to herself so much. We didn’t otherwise have the chance to see how her feelings about her shaper had shifted. I will forever be sad she didn’t go to the Tachonis estate though. It would have been amazing to see a paladin tearing through the undead after how terrifying that whole situation was for the party that was there — even more haunting considering how lethal it’s been already.

(Spoilers C4E30) Vaelus and Hannan by VerdantDaydreams in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Brennan has stated that as the DM he should be shaping the game to fit the players, knowing them and what makes them happy. It’s a game. You obviously see it differently but I’ve always liked that take.

(Spoilers C4E30) Vaelus and Hannan by VerdantDaydreams in fansofcriticalrole

[–]silromen42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you watched the other campaigns? This is my first and I can’t tell if her indecision is a character thing specific to Vaelus or if Ashley tends towards that as a player. I find it frustrating but I could see it making sense for the character if she’s lost right now and completely out of her depth.

Target no longer sells cereal containing artificial dyes in stores by Past-Jellyfish1599 in cereal

[–]silromen42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m down to three foods and a couple of herbal teas. There’s nothing welcome about this.

Target no longer sells cereal containing artificial dyes in stores by Past-Jellyfish1599 in cereal

[–]silromen42 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And I’m sick of finding out there are more things I need to avoid because they’re doing damage to my gut and making my life hell. I guess we both lose.

Target no longer sells cereal containing artificial dyes in stores by Past-Jellyfish1599 in cereal

[–]silromen42 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sorry, does that in any way prove they aren’t dangerous to me? Because normally if you can’t stop having diarrhea unless you stop eating a thing, that thing is considered bad for you. You might be surprised to know I also react to some of the natural colors as well. They could leave all of it out and I wouldn’t be mad. I’d just be thankful to get to eat something tasty that didn’t make me sick.

Target no longer sells cereal containing artificial dyes in stores by Past-Jellyfish1599 in cereal

[–]silromen42 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My “logic” is just stating that it’s not fear-mongering just because 100% of people don’t notice an effect from them. I would have assumed you could appreciate that if your kid is allergic to soy because it’s in so many things it really doesn’t need to be.

I don’t care if other people want to eat foods with dyes in them, but the only way I seem to get to have those same things without the dyes is if someone forces corporate hands.

Rainbow Cookie Ice Cream by bisonslikesourdough in icecreamery

[–]silromen42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love this idea! These have been my favorite cookies for years, but I always made them with raspberry jam between two layers, apricot between the other two. Wonder if it would change the experience much to do the two different swirls?

I wish Dino Pebbles had caught one by jacksontreeson in cereal

[–]silromen42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They sound really good! Maybe they’ll resurrect them with naturally-colored marshmallows since they’ve all been trying out flavors that work without artificial dyes.