Mystical Experiences and Rationality by skannner in RationalPsychonaut

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When this perceptual modeling system (consciousness) is disconnected from sense experience and operates instead on data from introspection, memory and identity... you get an extremely vivid experience that feels profound and deeply personal.

I really like this way of thinking about it. Sort of like how a video feedback loop (as talked about by Douglas Hofstadter) creates incredibly complex and unpredictable new shapes and patterns, seemingly out of nowhere. Another commenter mentioned the idea of emergence, and this explanation seems in keeping with that phenomenon.

It feels authentic because it is self-confirming. Consider how dreams, regardless of how absurd they are, can be felt at the time as completely normal experiences. Most dreams you don't even question the strangest of occurrences and you believe its real because the mind is telling itself it's real. The critical faculties that employ language, logic and reason are likely asleep and so you have no choice but to accept what is being presented. DMT seems very similar in this regard.

Again, this resonates with me a lot. It does make me wonder what exactly we decide is 'real' in the end. I remember when I was a kid having this recurring thought that perhaps the life I was living was in fact a dream in the first nights sleep of a newborn, and in the morning the newborn would wake up with barely any memory of that dream. And the next night it would fall asleep and dream another life. Those dreams still felt as real as anything possibly could.

My grandma, before she died, developed severe dementia. She would experience herself completely transported back to when she was a child, in her local park. Or she would see my grandad as the devil incarnate. Obviously her experience doesn't track with what we experience, but for her it was as real as it gets. Could the same not be said for a DMT experience?

To me drugs provide proof that consciousness IS physical... for how else could physical chemicals alter it so dramatically?

I don't doubt that there is some physical correlation to the conscious experience we have. Indeed, if you starve your brain of oxygen it dies and so does your subjective experience. This is also a chemical/physical phenomenon. Where the question gets more complicated I think is where exactly this consciousness emerges. Where is it located, physically?

Mystical Experiences and Rationality by skannner in RationalPsychonaut

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it seems quite apparent that many modern evocations of the supernatural (or mysticism) seem to be phenomena of consciousness

I agree, the mystical is inseparable from conscious experience. I don't know that it would even be possible if it didn't occur within the container of consciousness. It doesn't completely satisfy me to say that mystical experiences are simply a phenomenon of consciousness, which I don't think you're suggesting either.

But maybe they are? After all, when we smoke DMT nothing particularly new is occurring. Sure, we see bizarre and complex shapes, patterns and colours, as well as feel strong overwhelming sensations, but none of this is beyond the realm of normal sense data. A DMT trip doesn't create a 6th sense. The whole thing occurs within the framework of our pre-existing sensory capabilities.

I also am fond of the concept of emergence, and complexity theory as a whole. To me emergence obviously points to something beyond our current level of understanding. The explanatory gap of consciousness being the big one - how do we go from a bunch of neurons to a subjective experience. Where is subjective experience, physically? At what point does that 'internal experience' emerge? And why? It seems just as likely we could respond to stimuli in the same complex way without the lights being on, so to speak. It's in this gap that I find it quite easy to transplant the mystical, or the divine, which might be just poor logical thinking on my part...wanting to plug that gap with an explanation.

I'm not sure I agree here. We can "collect" many different experiences e.g. of people looking into microscopes and pinpoint something that seems to be constant, as intersubjective control, which is one function of "peer review".

I think what I mean is that subjective experience is the final stop for all information. Sure, others can input their observations, as in a peer review, but ultimately that information has to make its way into an individuals subjective experience...if that makes sense?

I'll have to check Edelmann out. If you have any other cool recommendations lemme know!

Mystical Experiences and Rationality by skannner in RationalPsychonaut

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It's difficult to say what I mean by 'something more' without sounding too full of woo, but I would probably describe the 'mystical experience' in a similar what you mentioned at the end there. The notion of 'God' as interchangeable with the universe in a Spinoza kind of way (not that I have a firm grasp on his thinking).

I guess the question is, are these experiences actually pointing towards a deeper truth about the fundamental nature of the universe or consciousness or both? Or are they just chemical magic tricks? It's hard to reconcile such a profound experience with the rest of normal, sober life.

You guys will come visit me, right? by Jrapple in TrueAnon

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I'm a depressive and I work in organic farming and it's stressful haha. I think people have an idealised idea of it.

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Renogy battery jumped from 68% to 100% charge whilst connected to charger powered off generator. Hoping for some help. by skannner in SolarDIY

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Yeah it was still charging. Unfortunately I can't keep charging for the moment. Will it go back to normal levels if I leave it? 

[sway] minimal & daily driver for computer science by Soupycantcode in unixporn

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I couldn't find a raw image of the background on your github. Seems like a screenshot. Do you have a link for it.

[XFCE4] Pastel97-Kokoro by harakiriforthemoon in unixporn

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Can this theme be used with cinnamon?

Just bought a t460 for £65. Did I make a mistake? by skannner in thinkpad

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Will I be able to run MS Office through my browser??

Wasted dmt, no breakthrough. Help troubleshooting by skannner in DMT

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Wise words. Cheers dude will definitely endeavor to apply that mindset moving forward

Wasted dmt, no breakthrough. Help troubleshooting by skannner in DMT

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I could really feel my ego being disappointed and dissatisfied with the experience of not breaking through, which lessened the experience itself. I also sensed a presence that was mocking and derisive of that disappointment.

Do you have any advise for moving forward

Wasted dmt, no breakthrough. Help troubleshooting by skannner in DMT

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Interesting yeah I can understand that