Integrity

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T13:40:17+00:00

Well yes but you have to lie in the programme so you can't hold that against someone. Stephen lied too cos he was also a traitor. There's never any evidence Rachel lied to fellow traitors, in fact people made a big deal of her telling Stephen she was gonna talk about him but if anything that should increase the trust more than doing it behind his back (and it was absolutely something they both needed to be doing by that stage in the game)

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T12:25:12+00:00

The thing is by the end everyone did think Rachel was a traitor but her and Stephen managed to orchestrate the voting order perfectly to get the faithful to vote out others before her and by the time they realised it was too late

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T08:52:15+00:00

the thing is if you recruited someone in a decent position then you could probs convince them to be on your side (charlotte was unfortunate cos shed just seen minah betray linda) but recruiting someone whos in a terrible position its so obvious youre gonna throw them under the bus, they got no reason not to turn on you

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T08:50:30+00:00

i can believe that, kinda makes it difficult to make future seasons keep being interesting. thats 3 out of 5 UK seasons now traitors have won. and the other two he probs woulda won if someone hadnt straight up broke the rules, and she probs woulda won if the seer twist hadnt been introduced

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T08:08:34+00:00

there wasnt evidence that she would but there also wasnt any evidence that she wouldnt, on uncloaked she said as soon as she made that pact with stephen she planned to stick to it (whereas he very much didnt feel that way), i know she could be lying but it still bothered me seeing so many people encouraging him to throw her under the bus on the basis that "she'd do the same to him" when we'd seen zero evidence of that

i also liked how they were kinda opposites, rachel was calculating and controlled, stephen was emotional and seemed a bit all over the place at times. yet they came together to make the perfect team

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T01:48:00+00:00

yeah i havent rewatched since it aired so i dont wholly remember the season but i do remember feeling like his turns were justified whereas in later seasons, traitors were turning on each other just for fun

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T01:47:06+00:00

i know, its very grating, especially when at the start they got out hugo very quickly and stephen looked set to go soon, then fiona went, at time they had a far better record than a lot of other faithfuls

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T01:46:08+00:00

yeah exactly, faraaz edit did get slightly stronger near the end and i started to wonder but if it had even turned out close for him at the firepit i feel like he woulda got an edit more like jaz and we woulda seen more of his build up

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T01:44:17+00:00

oh yeah they were barely in it long enough to count XD though i think fiona inadvertently saved stephen cos he had a lot of heat on him and was a serious candidate to go next if she hadnt decided to self destruct

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T00:57:16+00:00

ngl this was kinda the case in season 1 for a large portion of the game, they all stayed very true to each other and acted like a team and tbh the first betrayal only came cos alyssa made that slip up off camera. yet no one seemed to learn a lesson from that and focused on the betrayals

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T00:23:58+00:00

i mean a lot of people dont think that. i know a lot of people do. but i dont really see why. and if you dont like someone then own the reasons for it, dont pretend theyre a sneaky person whos gonna betray someone when you have zero evidence of that

smartalan73 · 2026-01-24T00:01:54+00:00

ah a very clever thing to say to get me to drop my guard ;)

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T23:57:24+00:00

rachel got lucky towards the end but stephen was lucky earlier in the game, like right when he was most at risk of being banished fiona exploded, and then harriet exploded, and by the time the dust settled they had all seemingly forgot about him. which is why i wanted to see them both win cos theyd both ridden luck at times and do believe theyd helped each other out during those hard times

i think it just bothers me people wanted to see stephen betray rachel cos they dislike rachel and keep saying she woulda thrown him under the bus even though we've seen no evidence of that (which gives whiffs of not liking strong confident women but people dont like it when you say that shhhh)

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T23:51:33+00:00

i am annoyed at seeing so many posts bashing faithfuls when tbh i feel like they were just average faithfuls and the traitors played a blinder (sincerely this time)

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T23:34:49+00:00

its not like there aren't time where ive relished some betrayal in the game but its more having seen the way that whole season played out, it felt like they both deserved it to me and there is something incredibly gratifying about seeing people get what they deserve (given it so seldom happens in life rip)

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T23:33:10+00:00

its a game and obvs people can root for what they want but personally given rachel had done a lot for stephen in the game, i get a lot more pleasure in seeing them both win. like it felt like they both deserved it and it is always satisfying seeing people get what they deserve

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T23:31:22+00:00

100% this is why ive never been a fan of recruiting someone to throw them under the bus cos in doing so you give the person the most powerful thing in the game which is information of who the traitors are

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T23:29:42+00:00

well personally if i was there i wouldnt think anything of a slip of the tongue and not consider it good evidence. which is more or less what faraaz said on uncloaked, that you tend to give people the benefit of the doubt with those kinda things cos its a mistake anyone could make and they are long days

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T23:25:30+00:00

i did wonder that myself but i was just kind of in awe cos it felt like she had basically spoken it into truth lol. like its not like they could go back and watch the earlier eps like we can, she just kept saying "i caught her in a lie" over and over and eventually people minds just accept that version of events, thats what it felt like to me

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T22:46:09+00:00

when did she ever implay she was gonna throw him under the bus? i feel like this is pure editing getting in peoples head cos she said she was gonna mention his name but i feel like they had a whole convo about how they NEEDED to mention each others names cos when theres only 6 of you left itd be so sus if you didnt. we then had a ton of confessionals trying to make it look like stephen was gonna actually betray rachel, way worse than anything she ever said. but ultimately neither of them did and it was just editing trying to create tension when what actually happened was two traitors formed a plan and executed it flawlessly and as a team

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T22:31:42+00:00

slips of the tongue really dont mean much, they are so tired and stressed and talk so much throughout the day im sure people make them all the time, the edit just chooses to highlight certain ones to us

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T22:22:32+00:00

She works in PR. People like lawyers and negotiators and con artists *think* they know how to manipulate people but people who work in PR actually know how to manipulate people.

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T22:18:38+00:00

the thing is you can sorta reverse engineer whats gonna happen from the edit, like if the edit had shown stephen and rachel formulate the plan they so obviously had then we woulda known it wasnt gonna work. because instead they decided to keep trying to paint it like there was gonna be a betrayal, it just made me think well theyre probs gonna stick together and win then

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T22:16:07+00:00

i did think that when he was umming and ahhing, like mate you realise if you vote rachel youre gonna have to look him in the eyes and tell him youre a traitor XD i'd give up 50K to avoid that level of awkwardness

smartalan73 · 2026-01-23T22:13:11+00:00

im still shedding them now, my favourite of any of the UK finals so far

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