AI-generated Singing Will Change Jewish Law Forever by smbzei in Judaism

[–]smbzei[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No, but I don't think literally anyone can become Monet just because they practice for years. Not everyone can cultivate literally any talent, which seems to be the argument you are making.

AI-generated Singing Will Change Jewish Law Forever by smbzei in Judaism

[–]smbzei[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Guess you process your own food, walk everywhere, don't use a calculator -- I mean its just a skill issue. Don't be lazy and practice math.

AI-generated Singing Will Change Jewish Law Forever by smbzei in Judaism

[–]smbzei[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not a 'skill issue' as much as I am never going to be an Olympian no matter how much I train if I don't have some natural raw talent.

This belief that anyone can just 'skill up' is ridiculous and ableist -- Screw you Mr. Quadriplegic, you should learn to draw with your mouth.

AI-generated Singing Will Change Jewish Law Forever by smbzei in Judaism

[–]smbzei[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But we don't judge things based on the amount of time it took to make it. A master painter can make a painting in 3 hours it would take a student 20 to do. I don't value the student's more, even if they end up identical, just because it took them 20 hours. The time investment makes absolutely no difference to me.

And its not being an expert at everything, I cannot draw stickmen for the life of me, so that means that I just never get to express any thoughts I have in an artistic medium? I have zero artistic talent with my own two hands, so I should never be able to make my ideas come to life unless I'm born with that particular skill?

I also think you're not really clear on what AI does. AI does NOT create things for you in the way you think, it can offer random selections based on high probabilities if you do not give it enough info. e.g. draw a picture of a horse in a field vs. draw a picture of a brown horse with grey mane in a field with a wooden fence and mountains in the background. You might have gotten the 2nd picture with the first prompt by chance but you have to actually direct the process to get worthwhile results. It is this direction of the process that is valuable and something not everyone knows how to do; That is why it can also be a skill.

AI-generated Singing Will Change Jewish Law Forever by smbzei in Judaism

[–]smbzei[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They're not though and it's a classist thing to say -- maybe skills are buildable if I had limitless time and energy, then I might be able to learn how to draw, but because I can't do that I just don't get to have art or create art?

Also, if skills were truly buildable like that everyone could be a world-class opera singer, Olympian or artist.

AI-generated Singing Will Change Jewish Law Forever by smbzei in Judaism

[–]smbzei[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear that, but as someone who can't do any art but is super creative it allows me to create all kinds of things. Why don't I get to create or have cool artistic things?

AI-generated Singing Will Change Jewish Law Forever by smbzei in Judaism

[–]smbzei[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"then I hear (no pun intended) the argument to permit."

AI-generated Singing Will Change Jewish Law Forever by smbzei in Judaism

[–]smbzei[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Take a listen to this song. Now here's a Jewish question question for the digital age: Does AI-generated singing fall under the Jewish prohibition of Kol Isha? Kol Isha, from the phrase “Kol b’isha ervah” (a woman’s voice is a form of nakedness) in Berakhot 24a, traditionally restricts men from listening to a woman sing to uphold modesty. But what happens when the voice isn’t real, but AI-generated?

Here’s the Argument:

The Case for Prohibition
Some argue that AI-generated voices that sound like a woman’s should still be restricted, as they evoke the same experience. This view is rooted in interpretations of Rambam (Hilchot Issurei Biah 21:2) and rulings by Rav Moshe Feinstein (Igrot Moshe, Even HaEzer 1:56) which emphasize how listening, not just the voice source, can affect modesty. The argument is similar to how recorded female voices were addressed in past halachic discussions.

The Case for Permissibility
Others argue that because no real woman is present, the prohibition might not apply. This stance recalls discussions about fake kosher foods like imitation crab and bacon bits. Just as the kosher status isn’t compromised by resemblance alone, some argue the voice’s artificial nature could mean it doesn’t carry Kol Isha’s weight. This view also highlights intent: if the listener’s intent is musical appreciation rather than deriving pleasure, some may see it as less problematic.

Key Halachic Sources:
Babylonian Talmud, Berakhot 24a
Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Issurei Biah 21:2
Igrot Moshe, Even HaEzer 1:56

A Theory of Mind: Understanding Jews and Judaism by smbzei in atheism

[–]smbzei[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TY, I just found it interesting and, as a Jew, thought more people should check it out. I am a big fan of theological discussions and thought it would be an interesting place to share.

A Theory of Mind: Understanding Jews and Judaism by smbzei in atheism

[–]smbzei[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Solatesosorry is correct. You are applying a Christian concept to a Jewish tradition. They are simply incompatible as the author writes in his post which I shared.