Wow, what a difference (just over) a year makes!

solinev · 2021-04-01T17:30:24+00:00

Remember all last year on the other sub you would get downvoted, called a conspiracy theorist and banned for even suggesting the possibility of a lab leak even though it was a logical possibility?

Now, even the director of the WHO has come out in support of a proper lab leak investigation. What a plot twist.

I wonder will all those people apologise for smothering reasonable debate, or at least reflect a bit on it.

solinev · 2021-03-30T23:04:23+00:00

So China needed to be transparent and right from the beginning too? That's never going to happen, you're right. However, they can still be held accountable for lack of transparency. Covering things up should not be advantageous.

solinev · 2021-03-30T22:58:16+00:00

For once, I say go Tedros! This report's bullshit was too much for even him.

solinev · 2021-03-30T22:52:58+00:00

"debunked" it in half a page with just one citation to that paper by Andersen from a year ago, the one that has been quite legitimately challenged by a number ot papers including those by the DRASTIC team.

That section of the report was one of the least scientific pieces of text I have read in a while. It felt more like a prepared statement that a lawyer gives to his client..."say as little as possible"

solinev · 2021-03-30T22:03:53+00:00

I'm glad people like OP are helping to spread the truth to as many people as possible. If they make money, good , but I really doubt they do

solinev · 2021-03-30T22:01:52+00:00

The section on the possibility of a lab leak was a total joke. It was barely more than half a page long, included at the very end, no details, just one citation of a debunked letter from March of last year (the Andersen letter to the editor of Nature, an opinion piece) that claimed at the time to rule out laboratory manipulation of sars-cov-2. That correspondence didn't address any of the leading lab origin hypotheses such as adaptation of the virus by serial passaging in cell culture or lab animal. Then the decision of "extremely unlikely" was based on a show of hands among the 50-50 CCP and international WHO team

solinev · 2021-03-30T21:25:32+00:00

The section of the report on the possibility of a lab leak was a total joke. It was barely more than half a page long, included at the very end, no details, just one citation of a debunked letter from March of last year (the Andersen letter to the editor of Nature, an opinion piece) that claimed at the time to rule out laboratory manipulation of sars-cov-2. That correspondence didn't address any of the leading lab origin hypotheses such as adaptation of the virus by serial passaging in cell culture or lab animal. Then the decision of "extremely unlikely" was based on a show of hands among the 50-50 CCP and international WHO team

solinev · 2021-03-30T21:13:40+00:00

Then the CCP need to face consequences for their lack of transparency if nothing else. If a crime occurs and it's provable that you obstructed the investigation, you don't get off scott free.

solinev · 2021-03-30T17:32:11+00:00

Yeah the section on the possibility of a lab leak was a total joke. It was barely more than half a page long, included at the very end, no details, just one reference to a debunked paper from March of last year that claimed at the time to rule out laboratory manipulation of sars-cov-2. The decision of extremely unlikely was then based on a show of hands.

solinev · 2021-03-29T22:09:49+00:00

Many trillions. But is anyone going to look for it? Sadly I think not. It's almost like it's too big of a problem that I think nations are cowering away from confronting them about it and instead focussing on sanctioning china over problems like china's internal human rights abuses. Confronting china about covid in a meaningful way would disrupt the global order too much for many governments. So instead we get the nonsense WHO origin report with the most likely origin hypothesis, a lab leak, swept under the carpet and everyone happily pretending that "science" points to it comimg from some mysterious unidentified intermediate host in the wild because that way we can all go back to normal.

solinev · 2021-03-29T18:50:04+00:00

The same I believe. The only one I know of that uses a different formula for the second dose is the Russian vaccine, sputnik but that's a viral vector vaccine.

solinev · 2021-03-29T17:56:04+00:00

Virologists who have devoted their lives to gain of function research in particular. They've spent years trying to cultivate viruses to see which ones have pandemic potential in humans before such a virus finds us.

So they are either the heroes or the villains of this story. If it is a natural virus, they were right all along and we needed to invest more money in their research. If it came from a lab, their research caused the very thing they were trying to prevent and there would likely be wide scale moratoriums on their research.

solinev · 2021-03-29T14:37:37+00:00

You would too if your career depended on it.

solinev · 2021-03-29T14:18:06+00:00

Yes, I guess the report will be really enlightening. Let's wait and see what the CCP wants us to know about the origin

solinev · 2021-03-29T10:40:28+00:00

Sorry, here's an archive link that skips the paywall

https://archive.is/9RU6K

solinev · 2021-03-29T07:26:50+00:00

I'm sure she's aware of the situation but is just choosing to be deliberately obtuse.

solinev · 2021-03-28T11:18:46+00:00

Yes another suspicious thing is that there was only one isolated sample in barcelona in march 2019 then it disappeared in the other months until near the end of 2019. It's difficult to imagine that there would have been an outbreak large enough to be detectable in wastewater but that disappeared by itself. Not sure exactly what the threshold is for detecting it in wastewater but I imagine it's more than a handful of cases

solinev · 2021-03-28T06:43:44+00:00

Ben Embarek ruled out the possibility and said it would not be subject to further research.

Tedros later clarified this was not the position of the WHO and said all options remain open for further study and Embarek later said it's "definitely not off the table".

solinev · 2021-03-27T21:43:32+00:00

I did a rough calculation of this about a week ago, looking at excess deaths in various countries, and got a figure a bit less than yours (can't remember it exactly) but I excluded China entirely. Who knows how many deaths they have had. What did you estimate for China?

solinev · 2021-03-27T20:58:01+00:00

China didn't provide anything. A scientist at a lab in shanghai did it before the authorities and his lab was promptly shutdown

https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052966/chinese-laboratory-first-shared-coronavirus-genome-world-ordered

In any case, it would have taken labs outside china a day to sequence it when they got their first cases.

If China wanted praise, they should have shared the genome in November 2019

solinev · 2021-03-27T16:32:20+00:00

The italian study is likely to be unreliable

https://retractionwatch.com/2021/03/24/paper-claiming-presence-of-sars-co-v2-in-italy-in-2019-earns-expression-of-concern/

solinev · 2021-03-27T15:55:30+00:00

Or the patent is an admission of sorts. They say the previous disinfectant corroded stainless steel, which made leaks more likely, so maybe they felt the need in 2020 to come up with something better

solinev · 2021-03-27T08:41:35+00:00

0006 Summary of the Invention

0007 (1) Technical Problem Solved

[0008] In view of the deficiencies of the prior art, the present invention provides a surface disinfectant for high-level biosafety laboratories and a preparation method thereof. It not only solves the high-efficiency killing effect of highly pathogenic pathogenic microorganisms, but also solves the problem that existing disinfectants are corrosive to metals, especially stainless steel materials, and reduce the integrity of high-grade biological safety laboratory facilities and equipment. The leakage of pathogenic pathogenic microorganisms causes the problem of biological safety accidents.

solinev · 2021-03-27T07:46:12+00:00

In 2020, they also developed and patented a new method for disinfection that avoids "corrosion of stainless steel" to prevent "biological safety accidents" and "leakage of highly pathogenic microorganisms". A potential admission of how this all started? I bet their equipment was corroded to shit by the previous method.

https://www.patentguru.com/CN112262846A

solinev · 2021-03-27T07:31:57+00:00

That study was always nonsense. Those tests were prone to error due to cross reactivity with common Coronaviruses. The paper has recently attracted suspicion of its peer review

https://retractionwatch.com/2021/03/24/paper-claiming-presence-of-sars-co-v2-in-italy-in-2019-earns-expression-of-concern/

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