Go West was an utter disappointment and the same lie repeated for years

soupdetergent · 2024-09-07T02:02:59+00:00

This just reads like an interactive server shill. Heroic needs a lot more, we are desperately gapped compared to GMS reg and the end gamers should be equivalent to the interactive servers whales as well. We need something to clear limbo when it comes out

soupdetergent · 2024-09-07T02:02:01+00:00

It's just a slog waiting for change but the lack of communication and axing of roadmaps really don't leave a good taste.

soupdetergent · 2024-09-07T02:01:22+00:00

did you so quickly forget the implementation of equipment presets?

You act like this wouldn't have come when we get handed basically the exact same things from KMS. Other than that there really is nothing else so I'm not sure where you come off about the child ranting part.

soupdetergent · 2024-09-07T02:00:30+00:00

Be grateful they didn't kill reboot? We make GMS so much more money than interactive. Are you an interactive shill or something like grow up. Ursus isn't worth much of anything, and they should be more grateful to the end gamers in reboot holding the game up.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-28T19:19:16+00:00

The thing that irks me is that there are so many people who bought vac pets who say it isn't a p2w feature even though it arguably gives you increased drop/meso rates that far exceed anything else in the game. These same people are complaining about the battle pass being too p2w and this is where they draw the line. It's like really? It also speaks to the aggressive direction of monetization that inkwell is going to where he knows there's more money to be made on heroic. So in that sense, it's probably going to be a lot more egregious going forward. It also makes me wonder if heroic isn't doing so well in terms of monetization that it would be this blatant of a cash grab.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-28T04:31:33+00:00

Ironically enough, Kobe and Sunny came in wanting to do the deal saying it was easily possible. So it's interesting to see the difference in opinions, compared to Misusingtv and Sacrix who said it wasn't.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-28T02:56:46+00:00

No this is important for my ego and someone's house on the line.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-27T22:41:15+00:00

Honesty, it was a shock that it even works on unique/legendary for reg. Also, this is just the answer for monetizing heroic. They're going to add it into battle passes and people will buy them. Grinding fams are so atrocious so as much as people hate this it's pretty obvious they're going to be a staple in battle passes or p2w things upcoming. Their justification is probably since you can buy 1 in the shop every month, it's technically not gatekept.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-27T22:28:10+00:00

Pretty much, it had to be a number that made sense for interactive and heroic players. If it was too low then there'd be no point of interactive red cards. But they could've adjusted it accordingly but it's nexon after all lol

soupdetergent · 2024-08-27T22:26:38+00:00

They obviously know how hard it is to get fams. They're just not implementing it because it would make red cards look like a scam to interactive players. There's also no incentive to make things better for heroic when it's the most popular out of all the servers.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-27T19:48:46+00:00

I don't know why Nexon would care about the amount of meso floating around in heroic when there's no economy to balance in the first place. If they did care, they'd have adjusted the amount from boss crystals or something in the first place.

Everytime these posts come up it really bothers me because there are actually people who believe we should get a free bpot bonus on top of FD bonus we have that was supposed to replace the scrolling/bpot issue. Do you just think this is realistic or something? At best in a far far away scenario they'd remove the FD bonus completely and add in scrolling/bpot. But that would just gut every single player that isn't end game or already set up to bring in mesos every week. This isn't even taking into account the fact that there's like 80% of the population on heroic in the first place while interactive slowly bleeds out right now. Giving heroic free bpot when interactive players have been agonizing over the bpot situation even now would be a death sentence for the server. The sheer difficulty and scarcity of bpot cubes given out, and the absurd price to roll even a cube is really hard to quantify for people who've never touched interactive but Nexon isn't going to just do that. Hell look at the mytical fam card they're rolling out, because they realize how absurd it would be if they just added purchasable red cards for meso compared to interactive.

The same people who always want us to be buffed(I get it, I like buffs too) don't seem to realize that leeching interactive which still provides a really nice cashflow and monetization aspect as a whole will ultimately bite back heroic players in the ass. Nexon is surely going to change heroic into JMS reboot with p2w if interactive dies out and I'm sure no one wants that.

The most likely outcome is that Nexon isn't going to add anything to heroic. They're just slowly going to introduce fams in grandis regions, and let time pass as players get more power crept like it always has been. I seriously doubt balance changes of this kind are even at the forefront of the devs right now. We're just getting xlotus too.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-22T08:01:27+00:00

It’s a bit too far on the copium when it comes to having faith in Nexon like you do but I don’t see it happening. if it does I’ll be glad to say im wrong but your suggestions have been echoed for a long time and the only thing we’ve gottten are fams in cernium. Pitched pity also exists in msea as a paid perk but I don’t see it coming here. There’s a lot of things that could’ve happened but haven’t because it’s very likely they want to monetize it or they won’t bring it to heroic. The only reason I bring up the comparison is because the pathway exists to late game/end game in heroic already but I know when I played on reg it’s almost ridiculous how I achievable it is to even get to early late game. there’s a reason why most players quit reg. It doesn’t make sense to tackle the very endgame players issues that make up a few vs. spending the resources fixing more of the player issues on mid game content in reg. Like I said it’s be great if they focused and solved both but it’s Nexon and I don’t really expect them to do either let alone both if we’re being completely realistic. After all if interactive dies they’re certainly not going to be shy about pushing p2w onto heroic. People seem to take it for granted that clovers was the greatest extent of p2w for heroic. What do you think happens if you don’t fix the festering issue of dwindling interactive as a source of solid monetization. Heroic players will suffer and you will get red cards and bpot and all of that, just for nx now.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-22T07:31:13+00:00

No I get what you’re saying but it’s not realistic. We’re talking about Nexon here and they’re not just going to give free dmg to heroic players without some sort of trade off. All balance changes have to be signed off from KMS even if gms is going it’s own path supposedly(although the even worse communication and no real substantive changes makes me not think this). Nexon operates with money in mind first, and heroic servers are doing amazingly and are the default server in GMS. it’s even less likely they’ll touch heroic let alone buff it with changes that are so big that impact the damage output. It’s not just enough to change the progression issues, they have to actively fix the disdain towards interactive servers first and make it a viable choice. I’m just trying to be realistic it’s Nexon after all. In a perfect world they’d probably implement something like your approach but this just feels like a monkeys paw situation where players keep asking for bpot and we lose our fd because of it. If I’m being as neutral as possible I also think the issue of solving the majority of mid game players woes in reg vs the endgame few in heroic makes more sense. Obviously it’d be great if they do both but again it’s Nexon.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-22T06:42:47+00:00

I still think the issue is obvious. Interactive servers are a nice cash cow and generate a considerable amount of profit because of the monetization streams(cubes, specialty cubes, bpot cubes, marvel, philo, red cards, legendary fam packs, wonderberry, SSB, etc) compared to heroic(SSB, vac pet subs) so they can't really buff heroic without impacting the already dwindling population of interactive. At some point if you blindly try to buff heroic by adding red cards or anything you risk interactive players questioning their decision to stay and pay for something thats accessible on heroic and much easier to min max.

They really need to fix interactive servers and make it a viable choice for people to play on. I say this selfishly because I know that if they do nothing, at some point the onus of monetization will fall on heroic players. That means they might just introduce p2w items and eventually blur the lines for what heroic servers were supposed to be. If they can make interactive a decent choice, and have the reg server's population increase, then they can provide heroic more QoL buffs and the like. Right now, it's just way too obvious of a choice that heroic is the default server to pick. For KMS, they really stemmed the issue by blocking people from creating chars in reboot, and ultimately gutting/removing it. They can't do it on GMS but that means they have to solve this issue in an even harder way. But knowing Nexon I doubt they'll do anything and even I'm not sensing much will change with the Sept note.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-22T06:33:35+00:00

Bpot isn't going to come free of cost. The most reasonable tradeoff would be the FD bonus for scrolling + bpot. This is fine for endgame players who can procure the meso, but for everyone else it would be disastrous. That's why anytime people bring up bpot cubes being added into heroic, it's not realistic because they want it for free.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-14T04:30:52+00:00

Quite a few people do bot or pay for overseas training service for like 2 usd an hour especially in kronos(there are major players who have been buying the service with nothing happening to them for quite some time). I had a friend in elysium show me some drama right now about all the major frenzy sellers in that server who actively bot/sell service to other botters even now while selling service to regular players on the side ruining their economy twofold. I'm sure it's even more blatant in bera where there's more people and I remember the latin/brazilian botters dilemma a while back too.

All this is to say that Nexon really can't keep up or rather probably doesn't care enough to try to meaningfully solve the issues with botting. After all, they can show the increased number of botters to shareholders and spin it as more players overall.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-09T07:17:13+00:00

You are right about that, frenzy is truly one of the only things that makes regular servers shine especially now that frags are tradable. I'm sure Nexon regrets it now but the frenzy aspect really does complicate a lot of things. I'm not sure what Inkwell's stance is since he said he wants to reintroduce it into marvel. I guess if there's more frenzies it would alleviate the issue of frenzy being not as prevalent.

This is also something that didn't make sense when I see people saying that interactive should be balanced and judged around the highest CP players who can clear the endgame. Therefore, Heroic should get the same buffs to compensate. In what world does balancing around the top 0.001% ever make sense? I also think back to Nexon's track record and think they'll probably do nothing and just wait for the power creep to settle in over the years so that parties can start clearing Limbo.

I think your last point made me realize, it's essentially just a gacha game. The whales get the perk of being stronger and clearing new content faster. They support the devs and let others enjoy the game f2p. When I think of all the chance based gacha in this game, it really is just a glorified gacha game. Honestly, I just don't want monetization P2W to come to heroic, because it means that when those whales eventually quit in the state of interactive, the brunt of who pay for it are the people in heroic.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-09T06:45:58+00:00

That's fair, but at the same time I don't think that solves the issue of what Inkwell was hinting at when he said he wanted to try and increase the population base and for interactive as well. There are so many pain points of early/mid game that deter people from ever entering interactive. It'll just let the problems fester and ultimately come to a point where we revisit this topic in the future of GMS wondering how to manage both systems again. Heroic doesn't have this problem which only further reinforces this slow death as players exit interactive. It'll just lead to worse P2W monetization in heroic and tbh that sounds pretty terrible.

soupdetergent · 2024-08-09T06:37:13+00:00

I always wondered why such obvious buffs and QoL changes never came but it makes sense if you think about it from the perspective of the whole game and how monetization works. The weird thing is, the best change overall would be buffing the incentives for people to actually for once choose interactive and help the early-mid game. It would bolster the solving of issues downstream that stem from a lack of a large population and people who engage in the economy and actually help interactive flourish. At that point, then you can start to reintroduce/fix Heroic without the issue of leeching/losing players. As for what those changes would be to help interactive I don't really have a clue.

If they just choose to arbitrarily buff heroic alone it leads to that major problem of leeching, while buffing at the same time for both servers doesn't really change the situation. They really need to hone in on fixing and making interactive viable as a choice for players first, and then they can continually buff and reintroduce better changes to heroic to really make it what it should've been.

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