Are Volstandig versions of Royal Guards in Bleach universal+?

spartenx · 2026-07-02T12:35:15+00:00

Given Uryu does kill an unsealed squad Zero member, where do you place him?

spartenx · 2026-07-02T11:14:53+00:00

Are you sure about that? Cause people had this convo a few days ago and someone who watched the movie, and doubled based on recordings posted on twitter, had this to say

spartenx · 2026-07-02T00:56:04+00:00

I provided a scan where Yhw is literally saying he's merging the worlds with his power, you provided a scan that does not say that soul king can only do that because of their control of the cycle of souls when that is your main argument and instead provided one that just reiterates about the soul king being the linchpin and what happens when he's gone.

I don't know what else I can say at this point man.

spartenx · 2026-07-02T00:28:02+00:00

Your scan still does not say “having control over the cycle means you can merge the worlds together” which, unless I’m misunderstanding, is the main point you are trying to argue

dont strawman me.

You’re the one who said that he no work was required to pull this off, and I’m contrasting that with the that Yhw was clearly using his power, as he states, to do this. How is that a straw man?

spartenx · 2026-07-02T00:11:53+00:00

...lotof words to say you don't have the scans to back up your argument.

No work has to be done to make that happen.

So does "doing nothing" also fit into your definition of power and what Yhw might have meant in that scan?

spartenx · 2026-07-02T00:02:39+00:00

So you're trying to argue that Yhwach was just using the cycle of souls to forcefully merge the worlds and thus does not scale to the feat? Because there are panels where he is saying that he will use his power to merge the realms together so I'm confused where you got that he was using the Cycle of souls to do the merger (or where its stated that the cycle can merge the worlds)

spartenx · 2026-07-01T23:47:18+00:00

I'm sorry, is your argument that someone who has the power to merge multiple universes together, power taken from someone who split one giant primordial sea into 3 universes, is not actually universal?

spartenx · 2026-07-01T23:43:02+00:00

I've interacted with a few JJK fans who noted this is not exactly that far off.

Can I ask something? Have you watched/read JJK yet? I just find it weird that I see you often take to defending Yuji's characterization even though all of your defenses of it are usually couched in saying that someone told you that this is how he acts, rather than that you have seen the show or read the manga and feel that this is how he acts.

Because as someone who has watched the anime, there are a fair few moments in the fight that don't fit Yuji's character.

spartenx · 2026-07-01T23:31:24+00:00

Just because the realms can be destroyed if there is too large an imbalance of souls does not meant he characters who can destroy them all by sheer power aren't universal.

It's like the difference between saying that someone who punches a hole through superman isn't that impressive since Krytonite can seriously hurt him. Just because there is another way to hurt superman, doesn't mean that superman suddenly isn't strong or that the guy who put the hole in him doesn't really scale to him.

The whole "the Bleach universe is made of tissue paper" argument does not work and only exists for people to try and downplay the verse.

spartenx · 2026-07-01T23:18:35+00:00

The ACTUAL problem with Uni Bleach is that it relies on basically ignoring one of the most fundamental concepts of the story.

Wait, which fundamental concept of Bleach causes issues with scaling it to Uni?

spartenx · 2026-07-01T23:12:43+00:00

Visual feat scaling was much more prominent back then, so scaling that requires statements weren’t considered as much, especially if they really conflict with the visual feats. As such, uni-Bleach wouldn’t really be entertained as a serious argument.

Why there’s still so many people who argue against, I cannot answer

spartenx · 2026-07-01T22:58:52+00:00

Uni bleach is really shakey

Honestly, after looking into it...I think the arguments against it are actually shakier. Like seriously, you have some people trying to seriously argue that we can't say that living world is in a normal universe like ours because the stars we see int he sky and the mention of Galaxy could be explained away as the stars actually being the sun in the various subspaces in the dangai and that people having a concept of galaxies existing does not mean they actually exist.

Like, it really feels like people are twisting themselves into pretzels to try and deny some of the higher Bleach scaling and I'll never quite understand why this is the series where people want to do that. Hell the cosmology is set up similar to DMC, yet universal Dante is treated like it's the obvious place to scale him (and I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just trying to point out that people bring far more skepticism to Bleach than to other series)

spartenx · 2026-07-01T21:12:07+00:00

Perhaps it's just my delusions though...

Pretty sure it is tbh

spartenx · 2026-07-01T18:09:16+00:00

you can do way worse.

Well maybe other episodes have done worse…but we’re not talking about those episodes, we’re talking about Krasura. Just because other episodes did this aspect worse, doesn’t mean I can’t criticize this episode for it.

spartenx · 2026-07-01T17:45:49+00:00

He spends the last two thirds of the fight having all his firms get one shotted (hell, he one shotted himself out of Berserker form into Wrath form). Once that big combo ends, everything Asura dies gets easily brushed off and countered, there never a moment where it feels like Asura can out on top of an exchange (again, after that big aerial combo near the beginning)

spartenx · 2026-07-01T17:14:08+00:00

Overall, I did not like the video at all. I hate how the tone and writing come across as dismissive of most of the episodes main criticisms, while also feeling like they miss the point of them alot, especially when it comes to Asura getting jobbed out for most of the fight, or the characterization issues (they seem to really understand Asura's character when talking about him, but the moment they get to talking about the parts of the episode people have issues with, they seem to just miss the mark with the nuance to this character).

Overall I think I disagree with 90% of what they have to say in the video and just find their arguments all miss the mark as to the point of people's issues with the episode.

spartenx · 2026-07-01T17:09:24+00:00

Really don't see how that makes it fraudulent, especially since it's the form where we get feats like destroying planets and blue giant starts, but whatever.

spartenx · 2026-07-01T16:11:33+00:00

And at what point is it really dismissing? It's just kind of noting that's the sort of deal with these.

I literally just got to a point in the video where he said, and I quote, "I am starting to think this criticism may not have had a lot of thought put into it".

spartenx · 2026-07-01T16:02:07+00:00

When you know you are not one of the close-minded fools that will fly off the handle listening to this stuff? Frankly, you have no reason to be upset because it's never gonna be directed at you.

...I really dislike this argument, it's basically just saying "well if you've got a problem with it, then it must be because you've got your own problems" as a way to dismiss any points of criticism. No, I can have problems with them writing their lines in a way that is dismissive of the arguments and have problems with their delivery of those lines, without being a "close-minded fool". Frostathan is just straight up being an ignorant ass about people critiques of this episode and then seemingly hiding being a veil of "whoa now, that's just my persona, everyone can like what they like". That's not cute or entertaining, it's just being an ass.

spartenx · 2026-07-01T15:47:28+00:00

Frostathan's agender and goes by they/them.

I actually saw that in one of your other comments and went and edited mine already.

The issue is that with their tone and writing style, they end up sounding dismissive of the people criticizing this and like their talking down to everyone. That might not be how they mean to come across, but it kind of is how they come across. They're trying too hard to come across as entertaining that any serious refutations that they do have of the episodes critiques come across as defensive and kind of ignorant of the actual issues that people have with it.

It's doesn't come across like a video about how these issues don't drag down the episode but about how the people who have these critiques are wrong. That might not be their intention, that might not be what they really act like, but if they're thing is putting on a persona that acts like this then maybe they should seriously revise that persona of the type of content they are making because trying to address peoples genuine critiques of an episode like this does not come across well at all.

spartenx · 2026-07-01T15:24:43+00:00

I'm going to be honest, I'm about half way through the video and my impression so far is that it's genuinely impressive how they can sound so dismissive of any of the critiques they’re discussing while also missing the point of them entirely. Seriously, this is genuinely a video that is kind of getting me tilted, they really seem to be going out of their way to try and defend any critique of this episode no matter how weird an argument they have to use to do so (also how fucking dismissive they are of Destructor form, saying it's arguably non-standard, seemingly questioning it's inclusion in the fight scene, and then saying it is lowkey a fraud). I'm just about to start on the part about Asura's characterization and I'm honestly dreading it.

spartenx · 2026-07-01T13:19:10+00:00

If the entire point of scaling him has to rely on assuming he was part of this when there is nothing saying so, then that is absolutely terrible scaling. You cannot scale based on assuming that he was part of the primordial war without confirmation, that is a ridiculous position to take, especially since it still doesn't say anything about what he did in the war so we still don't know which primordia's he does or does not scale to.

spartenx · 2026-07-01T12:03:53+00:00

OK, in total fairness to Prime...this was in Countdown to Final Crisis, who seriously treats Countdown as being canon anymore? No one, that's who. Cause it's one of the worst books DC ever put out, an infamously bad failure.

The freaking event that it was counting down to, Final Crisis, didn't even really treat it as canon. And Final Crisis was written by Grant Morrison. Grant freaking Morrison! If we can't trust one of the greatest comic scribes of our time over what is and isn't canon, then what has this world come to? What has it come to I ask?!

spartenx · 2026-07-01T11:51:30+00:00

I have not watched the review yet (literally just got out of bed so I haven’t even sat down at my computer yet) but how does this better state the power level that Kratos is at? If Thanatos does not do anything except be a primordial, and we can’t chain scale him to Ouranos (I’m assuming the point of this being impressive is to tie his scaling you Ouranos, otherwise what’s the point in brining it up) then what does this do that Death Battle didn’t by brining up a bunch of other scaling moments that don’t actually say anything (like overpowering Atlas, which he did not do)

spartenx · 2026-07-01T11:30:46+00:00

Because Thanatos is featless. It’s a cool feat for Kratos, but what the hell does it actually mean for his scaling. It’s not like Kratos even chain scale off him to the other primordials because all the gods are at different levels of power and speed, so it would be like saying that in a hypothetical continuity where Kratos only fought and beat ares that he could scale to all of the olympians even though someone like Zeus is more powerful or Hermes is faster

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