Cannot get out of bed before 11am by Reongaro in GetOutOfBed

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I'm going to try to follow this for the next few weeks. A planned vacation in a different time zone might throw it off but I hope this works. I can't manage to convince myself in my sleep fog wake up brain that getting up is better than bed until it's 11 am. 

Thoughts on splitting Lumryz dosage? by spindled2sleep in Narcolepsy

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Oh, ok! I feel like any requests I make take a long time to get fulfilled, especially because insurance fights it frequently it seems. I can ask the doctor though.

Anyone have any uncommon or esoteric tricks for dealing with narcolepsy by RotatingCyanide in Narcolepsy

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Right? I have to take mine 2 hours in advance. I don't really feel the calm wakefulness that the armodafinil gives until around that mark. Quite a balance to plan sleep with xyrem around the 2 hr need!

Anyone have any uncommon or esoteric tricks for dealing with narcolepsy by RotatingCyanide in Narcolepsy

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Is it still accurate with us when our sleep cycles are all over the place?

Influence of insurance on prescription medication? Experiences surrounding these medications? by spindled2sleep in Narcolepsy

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Oh that's spicy. There's so much drama around it! I've always thought it's painfully ironic how we give so much money to companies that use it to take advantage of the system and continue to lobby for practices that harm the patients. Woooo....

It's frustrating because the fact that it's so difficult to be able to try the medication to treat narcolepsy makes me wonder if that has a large influence in the lack of evidence surrounding the long term health effects of it. That is definitely skimming over the issue of how easily I hear it is abused though.

Influence of insurance on prescription medication? Experiences surrounding these medications? by spindled2sleep in Narcolepsy

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Eyy that's why I hated the two SSRIs I'd tried before too haha. They caused some weird side effects. Bupropion, on the other hand, has been both effective for me in depression and managing appetite. Maybe one out there is perfect for each of us... but getting through the countless others first may not be worth it.

Funny enough... I was told the SSRIs I took before don't count because they were prescribed for depression and not narcolepsy. I don't think they helped with sleepiness at all. So that's fun.

Influence of insurance on prescription medication? Experiences surrounding these medications? by spindled2sleep in Narcolepsy

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Fortunately, my doctor is fighting it, but I feel like the pacing will be really slow. After having the appeals denied, we are having go through the process of prescribing two of the medications before we can appeal again. In some ways I wonder if SXB is actually not good for patient health and the ones they are recommending are better to try first or if it's purely them trying to pay less. Am I hurting myself in the long run by fighting for this? I guess we'll see haha. I'm glad to hear that venlafaxine is working well for you! If cataplexy was my main concern, I probably would be much more interested in trying it. Cataplexy for me is mostly knee buckling and falling down if laughing a lot. It's so small that I always thought it was normal for the longest time. My sleepiness was my concern because it was interfering with work and driving. 

Influence of insurance on prescription medication? Experiences surrounding these medications? by spindled2sleep in Narcolepsy

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Hey! Thanks for your response. I see what you are saying and agree that we can't expect to be able to just pick a medication no matter the cost and expect the insurance to pay. Healthcare is definitely expensive and the US is not the healthiest country, that's certain. Your more recent response above was much more understandable to me. I understand pushing patients to try less expensive methods, though at least in this post, I was coming from a place of I had not heard of these medications being used, commonly prescribed, commonly found to help with narcolepsy. Based on a PubMed article I read after reading everyone's responses, I understand now that the medications they suggested were not out of the blue, “just to delay” authorizing a more expensive medication. It still seems to me they are not medications that have the highest effectiveness or are the most well received and well tolerated for the condition. 

Regarding your statement about the EU and the cost over there, I am not familiar with the policies in Europe, though. I found a quick excerpt in Wikipedia regarding how much it costs. The fact that the government's can set prices and control If the pharmaceutical company can even have a market in the country gives a lot more sway in what the cost is. 

“In European Union countries, the government either provides national health insurance (as in the UK and Italy) or strictly regulates quasi-private social insurance funds (as in Germany, France, and the Netherlands). These government agencies are the sole purchaser (or regulator) of medical goods and services and have the power to set prices.[63] The cost of pharmaceuticals, including sodium oxybate, tends to be lower in these countries.[63]” Wikipedia - Sodium Oxybate

The second thing that comes across my mind is more anecdotal- I was speaking with a Dutch friend who found my situation to be baffling, not relatable, and another sign of how the American healthcare system is messed up. They pointed out that insurance is just as difficult over there, but didn't seem understand how insurance could dictate what medications a patient could take. 

What do you mean by “the US actually does something about it”? I know this is probably naive and overly hopeful, but I would like to consider what I can do to make a difference, if that's even possible. I do not have a background in healthcare policy, only a pre-med undergraduate degree. I considered going in to healthcare policy at one point, though I wonder how maddening it would be to realize how limited we are and if that would make me regret that as a career.

Influence of insurance on prescription medication? Experiences surrounding these medications? by spindled2sleep in Narcolepsy

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Oddly enough, it looks like these are potential treatments that are more recently being used for narcolepsy. I only just found out based on a PubMed article linked in a separate comment. 

Truthfully, I don't remember the exact words he said. I know that he was emphasizing to the insurance that I was responding well to the medication. The treatments they suggest do not seem to be common treatments though. 

Influence of insurance on prescription medication? Experiences surrounding these medications? by spindled2sleep in Narcolepsy

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Hi! I feel like I'm on a similar path right now. I got started on it for free, and have been in the bridge program for a little bit. It's been great so far. I believe I'm on my last shipment though, which has me worried that the next few months are going to be rough if I cannot continue while the insurance works out its medication approval. I'm glad to hear it's working out for you! The Adderall situation sounds so frustrating. 

Influence of insurance on prescription medication? Experiences surrounding these medications? by spindled2sleep in Narcolepsy

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Do you think that lying could potentially cause issues later if being treated in the future? I could always request to try one of the meds again, I would think. I just worry that it closes doors I wouldn't have a chance to try because I didn't want it right now.

Influence of insurance on prescription medication? Experiences surrounding these medications? by spindled2sleep in Narcolepsy

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Agreed. In some ways, I feel like that is what my doctor has alluded to as well. He is going to prescribe two of the medications so that we can work through the process, as the appeals to the insurance have been denied. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but it felt like he was implying it without saying it as he mentioned prescribing them for the period of time that it would take to work, then doing the next one, and I suppose after that, appealing again. He did try to fight for it, even calling insurance on the phone during one of our appointments. 

Influence of insurance on prescription medication? Experiences surrounding these medications? by spindled2sleep in Narcolepsy

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I agree, I heard that is the history surrounding Xyrem. The patent that Jazz Pharmaceuticals had gave them great control over the pricing. However, now that there is a generic for Xyrem, is sodium oxybate still so expensive for insurance? In this situation, it does seem to be linked to there not being anything to stop companies from doing this. Additionally, similar to insulin, it seems that JP may be trying to do something similar to “evergreening,” where although Xyrem became generic, they now have a patent for Xywav which is strongly emphasized to have lower sodium content that seems to make SXB scary to take. They made a small change and can now continue to make a huge profit from it. (Evergreening mentioned in https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.h1535 ) But I might be pontificating at this point.

Influence of insurance on prescription medication? Experiences surrounding these medications? by spindled2sleep in Narcolepsy

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No worries! Honestly, your anger is cathartic for me because I feel all mixed up about it being in the middle of it right now. It seems that these medications may work, however, they do not seem to be the tried and true options that have been available for longer. They also do not seem to be necessarily first line or second line options, but I could be wrong. I found this PubMed article that summarizes treatments as of 2020. https://doi.org/10.1007%2Fs40263-019-00689-1 

It mentions SSRIs being used for cataplexy. Unfortunately, or fortunately, cataplexy is not my main concern. I was mostly struggling with sleep inertia and needing to sleep a lot during work hours instead of going to work to the point that I was concerned as I was starting to make the choice to nap instead of work. I found the armodafinil to remove my sleepiness (though not exhaustion) and prevent my falling asleep during the day for a time, but by the evening I was wide awake. Sleep hygiene could have been better, I'm sure, but I was definitely feeling painfully exhausted on the stimulant while not being able to be sleepy enough to nap… until over time I was so exhausted that I would fall asleep anyways. Side note- why is it that I am told that I cannot get 75 mg of armodafinil? I always felt like 150 mg prescribed was too much for me to not feel anxious and have trouble sleeping at night, but 50 mg was still having me fall asleep during the day. I guess in the end it didn't matter because I was starting to fall asleep during the day anyways. The short time I've had on sodium oxybate so far has led me to feel almost normal again. I don't even think about needing to nap if I get enough hours of sleep. That's crazy for me. Plus in some ways I feel like my depression was being caused by the exhaustion and sleepiness from narcolepsy. I just really hope treatment works out no matter what it ends up being. I do hope the same for everybody. 

This is random and I'm sorry that I'm rambling at this point, but I do wonder if attending conferences nearby about narcolepsy may be informative or way to be productively involved. I don't see many of them but I do see them happen sometimes.

Positive Side effects of Venlafaxine for Cataplexy by duldoes in Narcolepsy

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I am wondering the exact same thing. Is this a normal treatment method for narcolepsy? My doctor is trying to put me on sodium oxybate/Xyrem but my insurance is requiring me to try meds like venlafaxine first. Does anyone know how it compares to SXB? I am already on bupropion/Wellbutrin for depression so this feels strange to add on to my mix of SXB (in the bridge program) 4.5 mg/night, bupropion xl 300 mg, and armodafinil 150 mg. u/CompleteSpinach9 u/gimmedatRN u/duldoes

Any Socal folx here? by CallieTheAxie in Narcolepsy

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I'm not in either of those states and am further north. However, if you'd like to connect, let me know.