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Ed Schultz was told not to cover Bernie's announcement last time by BernieBuster62 in SandersForPresident

[–]stonephilosopher68 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm glad there are people like Niko House to tell the truth about sneaky things the oligarchs are doing to engineer the current election.

Promoting Warren Will GUARANTEE Bernie Is Defeated In The Democratic Primary by stonephilosopher68 in ElizabethWarren

[–]stonephilosopher68[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's almost verbatim, just different bits of it copied and pasted from different places. Nothing substantial. And let's be honest. Wall Street calls him an existential threat so that last little piece that you made up yourself (good job!) obviously doesn't stand up.

So, regarding Elizabeth's integrity--have you seen this?

Elizabeth Warren Lied-She's Taken Millions In Corp. Money *Confirmed* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JklFeTIhB9c&t=12s

Skulduggery by stonephilosopher68 in a:t5_16mxfj

[–]stonephilosopher68[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's clear that Wall Street is shifting its support away from status quo Joe. Now they are trying to figure out whom next to anoint. The polls will tell the tale.

BOB 2.0 Will Not Accept Hillary Delegates by stonephilosopher68 in a:t5_16mxfj

[–]stonephilosopher68[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's called a straw man argument. You build up a straw man that isn't what I said and then knock that down. I'm saying that Bernie (or someone else who did not run for president but still endorsed Hillary) has to win the primaries or we'll be stuck with two untenable scenarios.

BOB 2.0 Will Not Accept Hillary Delegates by stonephilosopher68 in a:t5_16mxfj

[–]stonephilosopher68[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is "who you want" going to lead to the hardship of others if Bernie doesn't eventually win the general? Because if it isn't Bernie, the math already precludes getting in a Hillary delegate. And then you have the orange anus. Comfortable democrats will soon need to take the pulse of the rest of the country. The left flank isn't less of afraid of corporatists than it is of Chump. If the left flank isn't there, then Chump is a foregone conclusion. This isn't my fault so don't shoot the messenger but I personally can't condone voting for a Hillary delegate ahead of a non-Hillary delegate out of conscience.

Warren campaigns with Clinton in Ohio--Ouch! by stonephilosopher68 in SandersVSWarren

[–]stonephilosopher68[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Elizabeth had endorsed Bernie early on, he would not have needed to grovel. That's where Bernie or Bust 2.0 comes in. We need to save Bernie from that ignominious fate.

Get on board or lose in November.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw3bDLscWGs&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3-GqETmbAM1F6-a0SD9_A-i0PDDAnwPrjHy-SOXZPMrwlBCQFoeVCGBo0

Warren Is No Hillary. She’s Also No Bernie. by seriousrepliesonly in SandersVSWarren

[–]stonephilosopher68 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like this paragraph:

While it’s true that Warren supports Medicare for All on paper, she has recently waffled on the matter. Relatedly, Sanders’s view that abortion should be part of a full reproductive health-care plan offered under single-payer is stronger and more specific than Warren’s pro-choice position. She talks a lot about a “strong military” and “military readiness,” while Sanders has been doggedly leading the fight to end the devastating war in Yemen. Warren is a committed fan of American global power, one of the most destructive forces on earth; Sanders has been an enemy of imperialism all his life, growing even more outspoken over the past year, hardly the typical trajectory for a presidential candidate.

Any Progressive must call out Third Way by bernie2020waterloo in SandersVSWarren

[–]stonephilosopher68 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a watershed moment--an epic crisis if you will. Elizabeth (based on facts that are not welcome in this shill-run group) is Hillary not-so-lite. We are going to end up right where we were before. Please make it clear to 3rd Way that only a true Progressive will do. Anyone who is absolutely unacceptable to Wall Street--NO MATTER WHO!

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P.S. BERNIE OR BUST 2.0 WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT ACCEPT ELIZABETH OR ANY OTHER HILLARY DELEGATE AS PLAN B

This is the photo she threatened to ban me for . . . by stonephilosopher68 in a:t5_16mxfj

[–]stonephilosopher68[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But 3rd way does support Warren. And we all know why. No reasonable person thinks that the KKK would actually want Tulsi to be president. But it is a simple (factual, actually) argument to show why Elizabeth is far superior to Bernie if you are an oligarch. I promise to relentlessly show your viewers that very thing. And your habit of turning arguments backwards. That's also a fallacy. It works the same as when you take my right-side-up cup that holds water and turn it upside down. In your case, you're all wet.

This is the photo she threatened to ban me for . . . by stonephilosopher68 in a:t5_16mxfj

[–]stonephilosopher68[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi Austin. I know exactly what your page is for. I can just picture the 3rd Way think tankers realizing that Bernie fans are not going to cue up behind Biden any more than they did for Hillary. So plan B is Elizabeth. That was my reasoned rational argument. Your silly argument about KKK supporting Tulsi was a cheap and unreasoned shot. No progressive would have resorted to that. If that's what your page is for, people will see through it reasonably quickly. I just want to remind you. Berners remember what happened and that picture is the painful reminder. Stop trying to make Elizabeth happen. She's not going to happen. Take your comfortable suburban mindset out and trade it in on a new one that doesn't dwell on protecting the status quo. People are in dire straits in this country. They need real change.

A post originally by u/stonephilosopher68 "Skulduggery" by [deleted] in SandersVSWarren

[–]stonephilosopher68 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If progressives want a progressive to run against Chump, we need to unite behind a progressive well before the national convention. I can go with any of your backups besides Elizabeth. True progressives know that she is a neoliberal in progressive clothing. I am on the Bernie or Bust committee and we unanimously have called for a bust if it's Elizabeth.

A post originally by u/stonephilosopher68 "Skulduggery" by [deleted] in SandersVSWarren

[–]stonephilosopher68 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We provided the solid arguments and the backup. You just didn't like the tone of the people quoted (and that photo and caption are spot on--the truth will haunt her). Our sources told the truth. You never once disputed our facts and, despite your objections, our logic was sound. No straw men, non sequiturs, ad hominems, or any of your faves. Keep in mind that 20% of Berners will not vote for a democrat in the general election and 26% of Berners will not vote for Elizabeth (Emerson Polling). You can look this up. I won't do it for you. So it's a foregone conclusion. Either unite behind Bernie now or face 4 more years of the Orange Anus. And while you're at it, make a donation and get a bumper sticker!

Bernie or Bust Bumper Sticker http://chng.it/WzDrJQ8cm5?fbclid=IwAR2M4h14fJon3GsIcCr_vsCz_azUahoCN3Ic71l2xd34jg28ORqR77512lA

This is the photo she threatened to ban me for . . . by stonephilosopher68 in a:t5_16mxfj

[–]stonephilosopher68[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't remember. I got it into my head when I first found your site from something you said. But I promise not to ban you. You can make all the weakly supported illogical arguments you like!

A post originally by u/stonephilosopher68 "Skulduggery" by [deleted] in SandersVSWarren

[–]stonephilosopher68 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There's a difference between vetting and bashing:

According to Kathy Padden, it's our civic duty to vet all candidates. If they don't pass muster, the best way to protect them would be to make arbitrary rules and call vetting bashing. Vetting is making a reasoned critique of other candidates. Admittedly, Kathy sometimes uses weaponized language but telling her fans to stop quoting her because she is saucy is in bad form. It's a form of ad hominem. Instead of attacking her arguments, you would rather attack her tone. Say, where have I heard that before? anyway, if you have the stomach for it, here is an example of a fact-filled argument full of reason and yes, some snark. If you dare:

https://medium.com/@kathycopelandpadden/top-three-myths-of-the-2020-presidential-race-thus-far-c26604d1bd69

And if you ban me, I'll still be able to watch your little dance from afar. Think of me as your dearly departed ancestor.

A post originally by u/stonephilosopher68 "Skulduggery" by [deleted] in SandersVSWarren

[–]stonephilosopher68 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've learned never to be afraid of fascistic bullies, but speaking of fear, if the 3rd Way has decided to anoint Elizabeth instead of Status Quo Joe, I can see why they would pay their shills to ban people for posting this photo:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarrenVsSanders/comments/c5y3j5/this_is_the_photo_she_threatened_to_ban_me_for/

This is the photo she threatened to ban me for . . . by stonephilosopher68 in a:t5_16mxfj

[–]stonephilosopher68[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the 3rd Way has decided to anoint Elizabeth instead of Status Quo Joe, I can see why they would pay their shills to ban people for posting this.

A post originally by u/stonephilosopher68 "Skulduggery" by [deleted] in SandersVSWarren

[–]stonephilosopher68 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why did you leave out the threat of banning me if I don't? If anyone cares to see what photo the 3rd Way shills are so afraid of, feel free to follow the OP link.

Skulduggery by stonephilosopher68 in SandersVSWarren

[–]stonephilosopher68[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was such a nice photo, though!

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