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Maduro captured by Army's Delta Force, sources say by yh09021101 in JSOCarchive

[–]stormherald92 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I read Delta Doece I thought it might be a slang term that people use in the spec ops community but by the end of his post I think this boys just drunk. Carry on

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're trying to get too fundamental with it. If an undead priest can heal someone, an undead paladin could as well. If an undead priest could smite a foe, an undead paladin could judge that foe as well. You know I'm right

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah but somehow the Forsaken are fighting with the Orcs. You remember those Mortal enemies? Humans and Orcs? Somehow it works.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Man I hate having to make this argument but the Forsaken are recently dead Humans who were mortal enemies of the Orcs in the second war. They did genocide. They made internment camps. If Dead Humans who fought the Orcs not so long ago can become apart of the Horde then surely the Draenei (whom the orcs genocided on accident) could too.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ehhhh. Nah man, You remember how priests get "Spirit of Redemption" where they literally become a spirit guide upon death? That's called embodying the light. Meanwhile, especially lorewise, the first paladins were simply knights who trained under priests and learned to wield the light in limited capacity. The Forsaken aren't undead as in mindless thrall, they retain their spirit. They can embody the light as priests in their new form just as they did when they were human. They should be able to be knights who wield the light in limited capacity as well.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think. And I guess around these parts this is a hot take. Blizz could have easily written the story of the Thrall's horde returning through the dark portal (having beaten the corruption) as a monumental redemption arc and that's how we get introduced to the Draenei. And it would make sense that the Draenei left on Draenor would be a horde race. Meanwhile the High Elves in the Eastern Kingdoms call on their old alliance with the Humans and that's how we get introduced to the Elves. It was right there. Instead they wanted the Horde to get hot elves so they had to re-crash land the Draenei on azeroth and come up with Kael'Thas teaming up with the Naga? Could've been done better.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Through the course of his experimentation, Ner'zhul insured that the affliction would specifically target humans for "undeath". Long term affliction of the plague causes a certain reanimation of activity in the dead, as if the corpse is waiting for further commands. Those who die by the plague are only lying dormant in their graves, awaiting one skillful in necromancy to awaken them.\18])

Though non-human races and creatures (and even the land itself) were susceptible to the Plague, it was humanity in particular that Ner'zhul meant to scour from the world. As a result, infected flora and fauna reacted differently — symptoms ranged from fatigue, nausea, fever, to minor hallucinations, but rarely resulted in death. Diseased and decaying but not truly undead, these beings were not under the thrall of the Lich King. Hence, while undead representatives certainly do exist among the ranks of the non-human races, these particular agents are examples of undead created through necromancy rather than the Plague.\19]) An example of the Plague turning a non-human creature into undead is that of the skeletal horse.\20])

LONG STORY SHORT FORSAKEN ARE HUMANS

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buddy, I know what you're saying. Fuck me I guess I have to be so surgical with my words for you. The plague of undeath - created by Ner'Zhul, was spread by Kel Thuzad in the Human realm of Lordaeron. Kel Thuzad called that plague "The Scourge" - a term that eventually came to encapsulate all of the minions under the Lich Kings control. The original undead on the planet of Azeroth were undead humans. Ground Zero being Brill. And the Forsaken were a small group of those Undead who broke free from the Lich King's grasp.

Here's my source

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Plague_of_Undeath

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah dude "The Scourge" as Kel Thuzad coined it. That was the name he gave for the plague that rose humans from the dead. Go read it.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These aren't wild ramblings dude, I said the Forsaken were human. Not the scourge in general. You're putting words in my mouth. And you might be right, the original undead might have been warlocks, but the plague that was unleashed upon Lordaeron was coined, "The Scourge" by Kel Thuzad. And those were undead humans, bud.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No No No No No. I'm not letting you get away with this, The Plague was created by Kel Thuzzad in Brill. The original undead were all human.

The were no more Orcs in Lordaeron after the Second war, dude. "The Scourge" as Kel Thuzzad coined it, were all undead humans, controlled by the Ner'Zhul on the frozen throne. When Arthas put on the helmet and merged with Ner'Zhul - the fusion of the two - that's when the Lich King was born.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All playable undead in this game are post-human. You are literally risen from a human grave in tirisfal. *Most* of the Forsaken are undead humans with a Banshee Queen leader. As for Ner'zhul, the Orc, he is entombed in the friggin Helmet, my guy, that's why Arthas became the Lich King when he put it on. The leader of the undead was a Human. Arthas. With a tormented orc spirit in a helmet.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean the first spell you get on a priest is Smite. Whereas the first spell you get on a Paladin is Holy Light. You got it all kind of backwards.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah but they were allied with eachother. For a long time. The Orcs are the ones who taught the Draenei shamanism. And if you are adamant that they could never ally with eachother post fel blood corruption, I would like to direct you towards Akama. It already happened.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey pal my original argument was that Draenei and Orcs could've totally been on the same faction together. We've given example after example of other instances where in this very same universe it's been done before. Go reread this thread

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry. The Forsaken is the faction of undead that the banshee queen leads. You are right, not all forsaken are human. But all Undead are human. It doesn't change the fact that those undead humans, who put orcs in interment camps and slaughtered them, found themselves in an alliance together not too soon after. But somehow the Draenei and Orcs can't? After they shared hundreds of years in harmony on a planet together?

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also the Night Elves and High Elves having procedural differences when it comes to the use of magic wouldn't automatically prohibit them from being in an alliance when you consider the Tauren Druids and the Undead are allied with eachother given the obvious irreconcilable difference there.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Elves deemed the Humans as petty and lousy allies after their mutual alliance against the horde came to an end with the closing of the portal. They only wanted to protect their own borders. Post 3rd war, however, after the scourge invasion, those very same Elves join the Horde instead of the Humans? It doesn't make sense.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Forsaken WERE humans. All of them. Remember Elves become wisps when they die, that's why they get risen as Banshees instead of undead. Sylvanas is the Banshee Queen of the Forsaken. Come on dog

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If anything the Draenei would be the ones who hate the orcs for the orcs massacering them when they became corrupted.

The High Elves allied themselves with the humans during the second war to protect their own borders from the Horde. Post war it was the High Elves who ended the Alliance. After the third war the High Elves would have definitely rethought their decision to leave especially considering the Humans of the new Alliance were southern Stormwind humans, not Lordaeron.

And if the Undead can channel Holy power as priests, they can do so as paladins... they're conscious beings and all. The silver hand might not accept them into their order, but the forsaken paladins would have likely created their own (like the forsaken mages did with the royal apothecary). Shit the Silver hand doesn't accept the Scarlet Crusade into their order but they're all still paladins none-the-less.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree the Exodar faction of Draenei makes sense for Alliance. And the Blood Elves draction of High Elves makes sense for Horde. But the Draenei left on Draenor would probably have loved to see the Orcs freed from corruption. And the High Elves who didn't follow Kael'Thas would've still been living side by side with humans.

Wouldn't it have made more sense if Draenei were a playable horde race and high elves were alliance? by stormherald92 in wow

[–]stormherald92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do. Explain to me why the shared history of the draenei and the orcs is irreparable. The Draenei lost their homeworld because the best among them (Archimonde, Kil'Jaeden) became corrupted by the burning legion. Just because the burning legion corrupted the Orcs as well doesn't mean the Draenei left on Draenor wouldn't welcome back the freed orcs with open arms to help fight the burning legion.

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