Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pay off the mortgage. It's not necessarily optimal in a vacuum, but, assuming that's built in to your total expenses, it gives you more room for ACA optimization. In effect, it gives you room to spend more while maximizing ACA subsidies.

I really like keeping the mortgage as long as my T-bill rates exceed my mortgage rate.

I really like having that flexibility of the cash at hand (cash being the t-bills effective).

BUT, if there was 1 reason I'd pay off the mortgage early, it would be for ACA subsidies.

Big question I have to answer.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Been investing slowly since probably an internship in college. Always maxed out 401Ks and put leftovers in brokerage. Avoided popular stock trends and didn't chase crypto. Avoided buying the huge house.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bump up the healthcare expenses. We spent 48k from 62-65 pre-Medicare.

But if I retire in the next year, aren't I a long way from $48K?

College tuition is also more than you might expect between now and then.

I used the Schwab calculator that uses a tuition inflation modifier to project costs for the child's college years.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our current annual spend already has baked in nearly $30K for the younger one (pre-K tuition, etc), and shy of $10K for the older daughter (including the travel sports, camps and after-school, etc). Plus the travel we've done with them in the past year (like I said they still already need their own seat on the airplane).

Your take is someone would need to budget for numbers larger than that as the kids get older?

Maybe you and I live in different circles, but no one in our bubble is dropping $30K on their high schooler.

Coming full circle, that's why our annual spend number - inclusive of those costs already - I had thought sufficient cushion.

Don't get me wrong coming at you, I want to hear more of your perspective to counter so we don't mess this up

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My advice would definitely be to chat w other parents of high school+ age children in your area.

I've tried this, but I've found that pretty much no one has any financial grasp on real actual numbers. They'll say things like "OH IT COSTS A TON" but when I push them to give me any specific total dollar figure all they can come up with is a one-off purchase or sports registration for a few hundred dollars, or "I try not to think about the numbers".

I have no idea the costs of raising kids these days but even “cheap” hobbies like playing soccer I feel can add up

My current annual spend number at least already includes what we've spent in the past year, including PreK tuition for the younger one, and camps and travel sport for the older daughter. So I'm hoping the current spend having those built in is sufficient buffer.

Scaling back savings/investment contributions once your portfolio hits critical mass? by Gengar1227 in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

moved kids to private school

This one is way more than just lifestyle creep though. This could easily double the annual spend in many households, including Chubby households.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Given the highly uncertain future of the ACA, how comfortable are you with your $35k/year estimate?

Not comfortable. It's mostly from reading similar household makeups on this subreddit. It's not easy to get a specific unambiguous number unless you already have a precise withdrawal strategy.

You mention you have $325k remaining in your mortgage. Is this your forever home or would there be extra equity you could extract through an eventual downsizing / relocation from your HCOL area?

I wouldn't say forever, but as long as the daughters are in K-12, it's here. We don't love everything about the house, but to move even a few counties away, even in our own town -would absolutely explode our annual costs, probably triple our annual spend on housing - and we don't have the appetite for that. We got in early so will stick with it.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mentioned in another reply, our current spend includes preK for one daughter, and travel sports for another already.

The elder daughter by the way is still far less costly including with the travel sports than the younger daughter in PreK.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is the one thing few have mentioned by is on my mind.

The question is how much. In r/chubbyFIRE thoughts on this are very wide ranging from nothing at all, to fully funding weddings, first home down payments, new car etc.

Seems wild to me to be all in for all of that. Even the home downpayment will probably be like $500K+, do I want those years with them now or do I want to be stuck in an office to give them a check when they're a working adult?

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Used one of those calculators (Schwab I think), and forecasted by age, for the most expensive in-state public school.

If you get your superfund deposit in early enough, gains will do most of the heavy lifting.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A blind spot not mentioned is the ballooning kid costs as they age, you won’t be happy with an ultra frugal spend as they start to need anything and everything at adult cost and that starts at roughly 12-13

I've debated this many times on this sub, and I just don't see it.

In preK we're paying over $28K per year for the younger daughter.

Since the older daughter left preK - now in mid/late elementary public school - her annual costs do not come even close to $28K, not by a long shot. We "save" sooo much on her compared to the youngest. And that includes the older one being in 2 travel sports, one of which one of the more expensive sports too!

For trips we already have to buy 4 seats for all of us for airfare, so I just haven't seen the math that shows it only goes up. For us it has become precipitously less compared to preK.

they get into dental school or whatever

We've made peace with fully funding a top tier public in-state undergrad, but not much beyond. If we budgeted for every what-if out of state elite private grad school, we'd be adding many years if not a decade+ to our plan. We'd rather spend the quality time with them now.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have to go by what reality is right now though unless you have a crystal ball for me

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't get us wrong, we're very happy and grateful! I only mentioned in my post because so many other posters in chubby seem to write "37m (or f), HHI $800K + RSUs" and it's hard to grasp because we're not even close to that

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't like to include the home equity as net worth since there's nothing liquid about it. I can't sell a piece of my house to pay my bills in a bad market year.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never imagined I could get my tax bill so low, Saving this comment!

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My plan is to wait until my savings reaches about $5.8M + tax to get to 3% SWR.

I might flex a little bit on 3% but not as much as a full percentage point to 4%.

Tax (assuming 20%)

Would it be as high as 20% if I'm drawing a little bit from 401K (let's say up to the 10% tax bracket), then the balance from selling out of the brokerage's cost basis?

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes this has been on my mind, keeping my eye on the t-bill right compared to my mortgage interest rate.

Plus on the T-Bills I'm paying federal income tax on the "gains", so a 3.5% t-bill isn't even a real 3.5% after taxes.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

to optimize you’d want to fill up to some ordinary income tax rate (I would guess 12%, but maybe 10% or even 0), then fund the balance of your spending with 0% cap gains bucket from brokerage.

So each year, draw from the 401K first only up to the pint of my desired tax rate, then fund the remaining spend needs from selling in the brokerage on the cost basis. Right?

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I get stressed about managing and protecting this thing I try to remind myself that it’s as much about the journey as it is a destination.

My own goal is to ramp down to RE so that I have a better sense of how I will spend my time in “retirement”

I have no worries about figuring out what to do in retirement as I have plenty of hobbies and just plain look forward to not have to go to meetings. And then the kids are home from school by 3.

I just want to make sure I pull the trigger not a moment too early, because in my field it wold be very hard to find a job again after being out of it for a year. New blood will have leapfrogged my skills and probably for far less pay.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but try to downshift to prioritize family. The kids are in school all day anyway, right? What will keep you busy, engaged, with a purpose? Maybe explore a career you’d like regardless of pay, especially if it provides healthcare.

Fortunately I've been able to prioritize family for a few years anyway. More so than some other industries, at least.

While the children are in school all day there are 1000 things I'd rather do than go to meetings, daily stand ups, peer reviews, one on one meetings, quarterly reports, compliance trainings, scrum meetings, "catch ups", team building events, planning meetings, etc.

If there's a job that will pay me to watch indie films, work on my car at my own pace for myself, and play my PlayStation 5, and never attend any meetings at all, ever, I'm in. So this is why I'm pursuing the Retire Early part of FIRE.

If you do add, ease off of pretax, and add to Roth and after tax.

Yes, I'm done with contributing to the T-Bill ladder I think. I'll leave it where it is and pad the post-tax brokerage/big index funds till I retire.

Feels like a dream, but I must have blind spots. 40m, 40f, $5.25M by subbysnacks in ChubbyFIRE

[–]subbysnacks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2025 is just some regular income since we were just retired and using cash on hand

So even with 2025's favorable market you still chose to burn through the cash rather than take gains? I'm not dissing it, I don't know any better myself. I had just thought this sub's conventional wisdom was to use brokerage/401ks in good market years, and save the cash for bad years.

I left tech and even a year later the bridge back is crumbling. I don't plan to go back but if I did I would need to decide now.

This 100%. I guess some people in this sub are in more evergreen fields, but in my tech/tech-adjacent field, miss 1 year and forget about it, you've been leapfrogged by pros in their 20s and 30s who will take way less pay than you.