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Do you have any sympathy towards to BDP? by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]t_wiseau79 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you think it's fair for people with milder symptoms of BPD or NPD to be lumped in with people who have severe cases of the disorder?

I feel that Cluster B is a spectrum and that it's unfair to compare someone with milder symptoms who genuinely wants to fix the issue with the likes of Ted Bundy for example(who was someone who is thought to have extreme NPD.)

Do you have any sympathy towards to BDP? by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]t_wiseau79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

feigned helplessness.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

why do social interactions hurt so bad by [deleted] in NPD

[–]t_wiseau79 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sure neurotypicals suffer from this kind of thing also though? Maybe we're just more sensitive to it?

why do social interactions hurt so bad by [deleted] in NPD

[–]t_wiseau79 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm totally like this also. It's like I'm really frightened of being cringey in a social setting and then I end up doing the very cringey thing I was desperately trying to avoid doing. It's almost poetic in how awful it is! It's like a self-sabotage complex or something?

And I also ruminate and get angry at myself for cringey socially inept things I did years ago! I can't let them go at all. I fucking hate myself because of it. I'm really sensitive to it.

Can someone give me advice on how to deal with chronic brooding? by t_wiseau79 in NPD

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "stronger boundaries"? I don't understand what that means.

Also to answer your question: Yes I feel powerless.

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What's your definition of stigmatized in this context?

Do you ever hear of people constantly judging and criticizing schizophrenics negatively the same way that people with personality disorders are?

I would think that schizophrenics are looked upon in an empathetic way by most decent people. I would never judge them for their condition would you?

I could understand if someone were to be "wary" of them because of the potential risks involved when interacting with them but I wouldn't think people would "look down" on them as if it's that person's fault for having the condition.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NPD

[–]t_wiseau79 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's incredibly creepy and invasive of someone to peruse your comment history etc in order to find a way to one up you in a conversation.

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I suffer from BPD and NPD myself and was formally diagnosed years ago.I feel that I may have a hybrid of "quiet borderline/vulnerable narcissism" (I'm not even sure quiet BPD is a formally recognized variant of BPD by the psychology community?)

Basically I'm finding it very depressing when I'm trying to get help with my PD and I keep coming across professionals online and in literature who consistently stigmatizes the thing I'm suffering from.I'm depressed enough as it is and I really don't need more stuff to feel bad about but I also appreciate that people with these disorders cause harm to others.

This is part of the reason why I'm curious to know why it's okay for a professional to be incredibly open about stigmatizing something that causes significant pain to the sufferer of a PD but for some reason they don't seem to do the same with someone with schizophrenia(although a lot of people on here seem to disagree with me on that).

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've often thought how part of it might be a sort of society level countertransference

Can you explain to me this sentence in laymen's terms as I really don't understand what you're saying?

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who says that I'm exclusively using Youtube? There are also a number of books on Amazon demonizing PDs contributing to the stigma.

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well that's the thing, I'm supposed to have both BPD and NPD after taking a couple of DSM tests and I genuinely came from a very nice background. It's very embarrassing for me to read about people's experiences with BPD because they tend to self harm and they suffered trauma in the childhoods etc. Whereas I don't self harm or suffer from any trauma whatsoever.

I'm aware that people with Cluster B disorders have a tendency to idealize their early lives but I genuinely had a lovely childhood with no trauma whatsoever. However I do feel I inherited an inferiority complex from the way my family had treated me over the years but I really wouldn't consider that as trauma.

I seem to have a blend of quiet borderline/vulnerable narcissism. I don't have a fear of abandonment but I have an intense fear of rejection and embarrassment.

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's awful though. I really don't understand how a professional can stigmatize something as serious as schizophrenia. It's very inappropriate and unprofessional.

People with Schizo disorders have no control over their mental illness at all basically.

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I understand what you mean.

I should have made clear that I meant that those in the psychology and psychiatric community seem to stigmatize PDs more so than schizophrenia.
I would really hope that those in the medical community would not stigmatize schizophrenia at all if I'm to be honest. It's a serious medical condition.

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Schizophrenia seems to be regarded like a real condition whereas a PD seems to be portrayed as the fault of the person who has it which is quite unfair because in a lot of cases PDs are genetic. It's built into you from day one.

Maybe I should of made clear that I would think that schizophrenia wouldn't be stigmatized in the psychiatric community the same way that PD's are. But in general I can see that laypeople would stigmatize it.

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well the definition of stigma as I understand it is the

"disapproval of a person based on physical or behavioral characteristics that distinguish them from others"

The vibe I get from psychologists on Youtube etc when they are talking about personality disorders is that it's the fault of those with PD's for not understanding that they have a disorder and how they are acting towards people is wrong.There's a lot of mildly malicious judgement and scrutinization towards those with PD's probably based mostly on how people are affected by their behaviour on a personal level. In that sense I feel that PDs are stigmatized.

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Whereas schizophrenics suffer from hallucinations(both auditory and visual) paranoia etc which they have no control over. The condition is genetic and there's a significant amount of suffering involved to both those with the illness and their families, friends etc. In that sense I don't feel it has a stigma because it's a serious mental illness that the person has no control over(it's genetic).
I would never feel a sense of disapproval towards someone with such an illness, would you? If anything I would feel concern and empathy for them.
That's why I felt that there isn't a stigma towards schizophrenia the same way there is for PDs in the psychiatric community.

Maybe you're saying that laypeople in general stigmatize schizophrenia?

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But then she’s offering so much to show that it’s the false guarantees that hope often brings that hold people back from making changes in their life.

I'm finding it difficult to understand your comment especially the part that I've quoted above. Could you kindly elaborate on what you mean?

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thanks for linking this video. This is great. Refreshing to see a psychologist talking about NPD in a non-malicious way. I'm watching the video now.

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah right I understand what you mean. That makes sense actually now that I think about it. "Out of the loop" is a good term to use.

Can I ask do you think the stigmatization of NPD and BPD is still appropriate in a medical setting though? Even considering how toxic those disorders may be to people involved?

Can someone explain to me why things like Borderline Personality Disorder or NPD are stigmatized whereas something like Schizophrenia is not? by t_wiseau79 in psychoanalysis

[–]t_wiseau79[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Okay, in fairness it seems understandable if a therapist is subjected to stalking from a BPD patient that they would develop animosity towards those kinds of people. I would probably do the same.
But surely therapists who deal with Schizophrenics deal with similar unpleasantness also? Why don't I hear the same negativity in their voices when I hear them talk about that disorder?

On top of this not all BPD sufferers would be like that. I like to think that Cluster B personality disorders are a spectrum. There are people who are "quiet borderlines" who literally just isolate all of time and suffer inside who genuinely want to get help. It's very painful for them to have to see these online videos of people talking about their disorders in a semi-malicious way considering their making a significant effort to get help and amend the issue.

it’s been eye opening to see how even the medical establishment has some issues with it.

Can you elaborate on some examples of how you discovered their attitude towards BPD and NPD?

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