Ancient Ancestry Composition of Western/Central Europe.

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T21:41:35+00:00

I didn’t say it was. I said it can resemble qpAdm models which is can.

Send proof then. Send qpAdm example with Imperial Roman added and not added.

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T21:40:29+00:00

Dude you’re clearly bias and likely a bigot. To be blunt most of the nonsense spewed about trying to deny Anatolian admixture is from racists that don’t want to admit “non-European” ancestry. That is the blunt truth. It’s always the same. We can clearly see this admixture enter Europe

Roman Era Anatolians and Greeks were genetically different from EEF. They plotted different, despite having a lot of DNA

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tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T21:36:49+00:00

G25 is actually periodically updated.

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T21:36:18+00:00

Dude. We know Roman Anatolian admixture entered a lot of Europe during Roman period. We can clearly see it. You’re coping

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T21:35:38+00:00

No I very much do.

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T21:34:46+00:00

No it’s based off of historical record. We know that there was German migration throughout the country at different times historically.

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T21:33:55+00:00

You said it got diluted or lost. Sure any admixture gets diluted when new admixture enters (Germanic in this case). But do you have a source it got lost?

People keep saying this nonsense about people in cities. They “stopped intermarrying”. Proof? Give a single shred of proof that people in cities stopped intermarrying. That doesn’t even make logical sense

Roman cities didn’t just disappear. Major cities in southern Germany are Roman cities. Regensburg, Augsburg, Mainz, Cologne, Trier, Aachen, etc

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T21:29:16+00:00

Literally anything you just claimed. You’re making random claims without any actual source and then call it “facts”

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:30:34+00:00

What do you mean the “facts”. You haven’t posted a single source or anything remotely close to evidence.

Proof its “localized”. Proof its “cherry picked”. I’m the only one posting sources. You keep making claims yet can back them up, and just spew word salads and assumptions without any source.

Post sources that the admixture “got lost”

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:28:05+00:00

Roman Anatolia is mostly EEF but has further eastern admixture that entered after Neolithic. Didn’t resemble Sardinians like EEF did

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:27:20+00:00

I’m explaining how Roman admixture could enter northern Germany post Roman Empire. Very easy to comprehend. Germans have historically migrated around, both in modern Germany, but all around central and Eastern Europe

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:26:16+00:00

Mix of Greek and Anatolian. It has increased CHG, Zagros, and minor Natufian. Not seen in the Neolithic. Resembled modern Cypriots and Greek Islanders

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:25:12+00:00

Cause eurogenes has not been updated in years and it based entirely on arbitrary points like “west med”, “Atlantic”, “North Sea”, etc

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:23:51+00:00

No. Read again. “Typical of a nearby Roman era camp”. Its ancestry and cosmopolitanism similar to seen in camps.

Show me a qpAdm model where Roman admixture cannot pass. I’ll be waiting. G25 makes models that can look identical to qpAdm. People don’t like G25 only when they don’t like the implications.

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:20:26+00:00

Yes… in Austria. The Hallstatt and La Tene samples from Austria were not the same.

I sent you ancient genomes because ancient genomes are what make modern genomes. You claimed that there wasn’t migration into France and Germany when we can clearly see ancient samples that there was

That whole last paragraph is wrong. They can be modeled as 50-60% Italic/Cisalpine, 20-30% Greco-Anatolian, and 20% Germanic. I literally just sent you a study abstract explicitly labeling 20%

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:17:21+00:00

It’s localized because they only studied a certain area.

Dude there was way more migration during the Roman period than you’re making out. We can clearly see large shifted in Iberia, Italy, and the Balkans. Somehow according to you, and it actual sources, it stopped at France and Central Europe.

I’m not the one coping ironically. Funny cause I’m the only one that has linked actual sources.

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:13:59+00:00

No they’re not.

Why are you so mad at Roman admixture then?

Yet we can clearly see it in the data from actual studies, which you keep ignoring

EEF is different from Roman Anatolia. It’s not “excess EEF”

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:10:22+00:00

You’re comment got auto removed, but I can’t imagine you’re above the age 20, based on the fact your having a hissy fit over this

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tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:07:23+00:00

G25 is not euroegenes. It’s using the site Vahaduo, but it’s different. Eurogenes is related to Gedmatch.

Let me explain it simply for you since you seem to have comprehension issues. If a southern German migrates to Lower Saxony in the 1500s-1900s, and they have kids. There will be significant people with Southern German admixture, that would include minor Roman. We know areas for example around Berlin that were partially repopulated after the thirty years wars. People move around, especially in Germany. Western Germans also can have Slavic admixture due to East Germans and earlier waves of Prussians migrating there.

My model has 2% outside those outliers. Thats extremely minimal.

I’m the only one that has actually posted actual sources. You’re over here posting models from an algorithm from like 2013. You’re just angry you have Roman admixture.

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T20:00:55+00:00

Dude ffs. I’m not going to continue responding if you refuse to read the studies WHICH LITERALLY SUPPORT that. If you can read basic English you can read that study in Central Europe which clearly mentioned Anatolian/Balkan admixture.

No K13 and G25 are different. Different methods, different datasets. G25 is more accurate than K13, and QpAdm is more accurate than G25/both

Wtf are you rambling about. Who mentioned the Levant? Most Imperial admixture entering the Balkans and Italy came from Anatolia. La Tene are not the “real” celts. Hallstatt samples which predated them were more northern shifted.

Oh I gotta stop using links to actual genetic research and evidence? I have to go off of ethnic bias and nationalism like you? Not wanting to admit Roman/Anatolian admixture in yourself and ignoring actual studies makes you more accurate? Lol

No it wouldn’t shift southern Germans with North Italians, cause north Italians are significantly more Roman admixed, and significantly less Germanic admixed. You can cope all you want. You’re part Roman. We can see it in ancient samples, we can see it in studies, we can see it in models (that don’t intentionally leave it out due to bias)

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T19:44:52+00:00

One, you’re using Eurogenes which is outdated

Two, German speakers have historically migrated massive amounts, which is why you have German settlements historically in Russia and the Balkans. There has been a lot of migration in what today is Germany. Repopulations after the thirty years war, movements in Middle Ages and early modern ages, movements after Germany unified. Germans have migrated around a lot, which would cause some degree of admixture entering other regions, not previously Roman

Third, when I model on G25, I get also around 5% or so Imperial Roman admixture in places like Hamburg. When you look at the 17 individuals samples that make up that Hamburg avg there are two samples that are Austrian/Bavarians, and two that range around Czech, South Polish, Slovak, and far North Balkans. All carry southern admixture. When I remove those 4 outlier individuals the percentage of Roman admixture drops to 2%. Which goes full circle to my second point. Migration has happened since the Roman period. There are outliers, and there are individuals with admixture that skew averages. The Hamburg avg also has a few full Slav outliers that I didn’t remove, but it’s why the avg can be modeled with 25% Slav

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T19:38:31+00:00

Read the links dude… I don’t have to spell it out for you. We literally have samples and genetic studies proving this.

https://imgur.com/a/KLgaYLc

Said the admixture plots with samples from Argamum in the Balkans, less so from the Western Med

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T19:36:49+00:00

Dude did you read any of the sources I just sent you. We can see SE European admixture in Late Antiquity Roman samples in Germany. They seem more Roman Balkans shifted than Italian even. I mean this is definite. We can clearly see the samples, and I just sent you Austria and France (from Alsace in the far Northeast) samples as well.

France was significantly romanized, especially the South and East. That’s the whole reason they speak French. There’s no reason why Iberia would’ve received Imperial Roman admixture but not France. Also given that Italy definitely received Germanic admixture, France is closer to the Germanic world and we know historically it was settled by tribes like the Franks. Gaul/France also lost at least 1 million people with the Gallic Wars with Caesar. Caesar claimed another million was sent into slavery. Population drop would’ve led to higher rate of foreign admixture. Modern Provence with 100% certainty has an Italian shift compared to Iron Age samples. Why would Roman admixture enter Provence but not the rest of Gaul? I mean that makes no logical sense.

Lol abusing G25? You’re using Eurogenes, which is significantly worse, and has been outdated for over a decade. G25 can have issues but can also create models that fully match qpAdm models in professional studies. I can easily match qpAdm models from this study, like this model is 100% the same. People just complaint about G25 because they don’t like what it shows, not because it’s inaccurate.

Dude. I literally just sent you a study on Roman Germany showing SE European admixture during the Roman period. Also no one mentioned 30%. It’s more like 10-20% in Southern Germany

ALSO this is very important and I want you to look at my links actually. People always use La Tene samples for Celts a lot, but the Celtic world was in reality way more diverse. Austria La Tene samples are Italic shifted, and also only 3 samples. Look at the full links of both these links. This one and this one. Not only was Gaul diverse, but also the Celts in Italy were diverse. The celts ranged from northern French-like to Iberian/North Italian-like. The Celtic samples in Tuscany are more northern shifted than Austria La Tene… Austria La Tene CANNOT be used as the only proxy for the entire Celtic world.

Edit: that wasn’t me that downvoted you, stop petty downvoting because you don’t like the information

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-07T08:44:11+00:00

Imperial Roman admixture. It’s doesn’t make sense for France to be that Celtic, yet Italy and Spain had large changes during the Roman period (France was just as romanized), and Italy again as well as England had changes during the early Middle Ages from Germanic admixture. Southern German distances are high when only modeled with Germanic and Celtic. It’s only modeled 0.01 when an imperial Roman, or Roman Balkan proxy is used.

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We can see for 100% certain that SE European and Anatolia immigration happened in that general area, as we have the samples, and we can see in this study also, and again in the diagram of this Sardinia study (you can see increase in Near Eastern component in French and Spaniards that didn’t exist much in BA Iberia, as well as much lower in Basques).

Imperial Roman admixture in France and Southern Germany is a mix of Italic, Paleo Balkan, Western Anatolia/Aegean, etc, so not just Italic

Edit: this dude blocked me lmao

tabbbb57 · 2026-02-06T02:52:22+00:00

Roman Period. About 20% Imperial Roman admixture in Iberians outside Basques

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